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Well sort of,more than anything I'm saying don't inhibit the desire to even learn to fish by eliminating the need,all the levels of Maslows pyramid depend upon acquiring them oneself after childhood or the maturing process stops
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Since we're discussing fans I thought this a related informative read from Forbes. Not directed at StL or LA.
The NFL's Most Valuable Fans
Each and every NFL team relies on its fans to survive. Without fans at the games, teams don’t sell tickets, concessions or stadium advertising. Without fans rooting from home, teams don’t get wealthy local radio and television deals. It’s true that NFL teams enjoy a cut of rich league-wide revenue streams like national television deals, but the local fans remain a core revenue driver. In fact, the average NFL team generated 43% of team revenue from local sources.
Teams in larger markets like Chicago, Dallas, Houston and New York obviously generate more local revenue than those in smaller metro areas, so it seemed pointless to list the teams that simply have the fortune of playing in the nation’s most populous cities. Rather, we sought to determine the NFL’s most valuable fans on a per capita basis, dividing each team’s local revenue by the local metro population; in the cases of the New York teams (Jets and Giants) and Bay Area teams (49ers and Raiders), we allocated half of the metro population to each team. Local revenue is considered any team income not attributable to national or league-wide revenues, and it includes components like tickets, concessions, advertising, sponsorships and local media deals.
The Green Bay Packers stand well ahead of the field, generating a massive $390 per local fan, well above the league average of $50 per fan. The team’s per-fan success is skewed so high because the team plays in the league’s smallest metro area, comprised of just 310,000 residents. The Packers’ local population is 7% the size of the league’s average metro area. But the small population isn’t the only contributing factor to the Packers’ top spot. Green Bay generated about $121 million in local revenue, good for tenth-most in the league and the third-most of any team on our list, highlighting that NFL teams can thrive in smaller metro areas. Closely following the Packers are other small market teams like the Saints ($85 in local revenue per fan), Bills ($74), Titans ($67) and Jaguars ($58).
Though two NFC teams lead our list, the AFC makes up its bulk: seven of the 11 teams (there is a three-way tie for ninth) are from the AFC. The AFC’s success is mostly due to the conference’s smaller market sizes; the average AFC metro area is comprised of 3.9 million people, compared to the NFC’s 5 million, which includes Green Bay. The AFC also has the most valuable fans across the league as a whole, with the average conference team generating $44 per fan. While NFC teams brought in an average $56 per local fan, that number drops to just $34 when the Packers are omitted.
Population isn’t everything, though. The Cowboys rank eighth on our list with $53 in revenue per fan last season despite playing in the league’s third-largest metro area. Dallas has been the NFL’s most valuable team since 2007, and this year it became just the second professional sports team behind Manchester United to cross the $2 billion mark. The Cowboys generated $500 million in revenue last season, with a staggering $345 million coming from local sources.
Another large market team to make the cut is the New England Patriots, who tied with the Browns and Chiefs for the final spot on our list with $49 in revenue per fan. The Pats, who play in the league’s tenth-largest market, generated $225 million in local revenue, second behind only Dallas.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/05/the-nfls-most-valuable-fans/
The NFL's Most Valuable Fans
Each and every NFL team relies on its fans to survive. Without fans at the games, teams don’t sell tickets, concessions or stadium advertising. Without fans rooting from home, teams don’t get wealthy local radio and television deals. It’s true that NFL teams enjoy a cut of rich league-wide revenue streams like national television deals, but the local fans remain a core revenue driver. In fact, the average NFL team generated 43% of team revenue from local sources.
Teams in larger markets like Chicago, Dallas, Houston and New York obviously generate more local revenue than those in smaller metro areas, so it seemed pointless to list the teams that simply have the fortune of playing in the nation’s most populous cities. Rather, we sought to determine the NFL’s most valuable fans on a per capita basis, dividing each team’s local revenue by the local metro population; in the cases of the New York teams (Jets and Giants) and Bay Area teams (49ers and Raiders), we allocated half of the metro population to each team. Local revenue is considered any team income not attributable to national or league-wide revenues, and it includes components like tickets, concessions, advertising, sponsorships and local media deals.
The Green Bay Packers stand well ahead of the field, generating a massive $390 per local fan, well above the league average of $50 per fan. The team’s per-fan success is skewed so high because the team plays in the league’s smallest metro area, comprised of just 310,000 residents. The Packers’ local population is 7% the size of the league’s average metro area. But the small population isn’t the only contributing factor to the Packers’ top spot. Green Bay generated about $121 million in local revenue, good for tenth-most in the league and the third-most of any team on our list, highlighting that NFL teams can thrive in smaller metro areas. Closely following the Packers are other small market teams like the Saints ($85 in local revenue per fan), Bills ($74), Titans ($67) and Jaguars ($58).
Though two NFC teams lead our list, the AFC makes up its bulk: seven of the 11 teams (there is a three-way tie for ninth) are from the AFC. The AFC’s success is mostly due to the conference’s smaller market sizes; the average AFC metro area is comprised of 3.9 million people, compared to the NFC’s 5 million, which includes Green Bay. The AFC also has the most valuable fans across the league as a whole, with the average conference team generating $44 per fan. While NFC teams brought in an average $56 per local fan, that number drops to just $34 when the Packers are omitted.
Population isn’t everything, though. The Cowboys rank eighth on our list with $53 in revenue per fan last season despite playing in the league’s third-largest metro area. Dallas has been the NFL’s most valuable team since 2007, and this year it became just the second professional sports team behind Manchester United to cross the $2 billion mark. The Cowboys generated $500 million in revenue last season, with a staggering $345 million coming from local sources.
Another large market team to make the cut is the New England Patriots, who tied with the Browns and Chiefs for the final spot on our list with $49 in revenue per fan. The Pats, who play in the league’s tenth-largest market, generated $225 million in local revenue, second behind only Dallas.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/05/the-nfls-most-valuable-fans/
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Is this group being brought in through Goldman Sachs?
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Is this good or bad?
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I am not sure Hacksaw. He only tweeted this little bit of information. I am sure we will hear more though.
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Probably good for Spanos, bad for San Diego, good for Davis, bad for Oakland, can't be bad for StL and just generally awful for LA.
Please DON'T BRING THOSE BUM TEAMS TO LA no matter what happens with the Rams.
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I really hate how this will divide everybody. It's not fair. Can't their be the St.Louis Rams AND the LA Rams? Lol
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Tbh I would welcome that. I just can't see my self rooting for the Chargers or Raiders. Ewww.
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I would absolutely be okay with that. Seriously. First four in LA. Bye week. Next four in St.Louis. They'd make a killing.How about the St. LAouis Rams, and we can have 4 home games here and 4 home games in LA?
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No kidding. It really is sad and ESK isn't doing anything about it. The NFL is loving the press (not negative press) although when this is said and done I guarantee there will be some.
The neutral site idea is cool but I like the Los Louis Rams better. Or is that St Angeles Rams? The only tweak I'd make Legatron4 would be to play the first 4 in StL due to the weather RAMifications. LA would have a lid and it's always 70 and sunny in Nov-Dec.
Speaking to always sunny. It better rain around here soon or this who stadium thing could become moot when there isn't enough water to mix the concrete.
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NFL teams to present plans for L.A. stadiums next week
Apr 13, 2015, 1:36pm CDT
By Daniel Kaplan, staff writer for SportsBusiness Journal
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/...sent-plans-for-l-a-stadiums-next.html?s=print
The three NFL teams proposing stadiums in Los Angeles are scheduled to present their plans next week to the six NFL owners in charge of the process, the latest and most significant step yet if the sport is to return to the California city after a more than two-decade absence.
Owners of the Oakland Raiders, St. Louis Rams and San Diego Chargers will offer their most detailed stadium plans to date at the meeting April 22 in New York, numerous sources said last week. Those presentations will include details on architecture, financing and the political process in their efforts.
In addition, NFL Executive Vice President Eric Grubman will update the league’s six-owner Los Angeles committee on the efforts in the teams’ current home markets to keep the franchises in those cities. Grubman is the league executive charged with overseeing the NFL’s Los Angeles process.
See Also
Dome board seeks ruling on tax dollars for new stadium
NFL vote on L.A. stadium proposals won't come for six months
Ongoing coverage of the St. Louis Rams, Stan Kroenke and new stadium
“The committee expects details, progress reports, design plans, financing, risk factors, what to expect and when,” said one source close to the committee. That would constitute by far the most thorough update the six owners have received since NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell appointed them to the committee in February.
The Rams, Raiders and Chargers each declined to comment.
The six owners on the committee are John Mara (New York Giants), Robert Kraft (New England), Jerry Richardson (Carolina), Clark Hunt (Kansas City), Art Rooney II (Pittsburgh) and Bob McNair (Houston). They will report to the league’s full ownership at the scheduled May 19 league meeting in San Francisco.
Rams owner Stan Kroenke in early January unveiled a nearly $2 billion stadium proposal for Inglewood, Calif. Soon after, the Raiders and Chargers jointly proposed a stadium in Carson, Calif. In each case, the team’s current home market is striving to keep the franchise where it now plays.
The NFL’s relocation bylaws grant significant deference to home markets, creating parallel processes in Los Angeles and in St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego.
Several of the committee owners, including Kraft and Mara, have publicly stated their belief that the NFL will be back in Los Angeles next year. Goodell tempered that sentiment in public comments to reporters after the league’s annual meeting last month.
The Rams have already won political support for their Inglewood stadium; the Chargers and Raiders are expected to get similar such approval this summer. The Chargers and Raiders, meanwhile, are both giving some credence to the local efforts to keep them, while Kroenke has largely disengaged from the effort in St. Louis to keep the Rams.
The NFL’s Los Angeles committee is not the only league group that’s meeting in New York next week. Several committees are meeting, as is common in the weeks leading up to a full league gathering.
Apr 13, 2015, 1:36pm CDT
By Daniel Kaplan, staff writer for SportsBusiness Journal
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/...sent-plans-for-l-a-stadiums-next.html?s=print
The three NFL teams proposing stadiums in Los Angeles are scheduled to present their plans next week to the six NFL owners in charge of the process, the latest and most significant step yet if the sport is to return to the California city after a more than two-decade absence.
Owners of the Oakland Raiders, St. Louis Rams and San Diego Chargers will offer their most detailed stadium plans to date at the meeting April 22 in New York, numerous sources said last week. Those presentations will include details on architecture, financing and the political process in their efforts.
In addition, NFL Executive Vice President Eric Grubman will update the league’s six-owner Los Angeles committee on the efforts in the teams’ current home markets to keep the franchises in those cities. Grubman is the league executive charged with overseeing the NFL’s Los Angeles process.
See Also
Dome board seeks ruling on tax dollars for new stadium
NFL vote on L.A. stadium proposals won't come for six months
Ongoing coverage of the St. Louis Rams, Stan Kroenke and new stadium
“The committee expects details, progress reports, design plans, financing, risk factors, what to expect and when,” said one source close to the committee. That would constitute by far the most thorough update the six owners have received since NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell appointed them to the committee in February.
The Rams, Raiders and Chargers each declined to comment.
The six owners on the committee are John Mara (New York Giants), Robert Kraft (New England), Jerry Richardson (Carolina), Clark Hunt (Kansas City), Art Rooney II (Pittsburgh) and Bob McNair (Houston). They will report to the league’s full ownership at the scheduled May 19 league meeting in San Francisco.
Rams owner Stan Kroenke in early January unveiled a nearly $2 billion stadium proposal for Inglewood, Calif. Soon after, the Raiders and Chargers jointly proposed a stadium in Carson, Calif. In each case, the team’s current home market is striving to keep the franchise where it now plays.
The NFL’s relocation bylaws grant significant deference to home markets, creating parallel processes in Los Angeles and in St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego.
Several of the committee owners, including Kraft and Mara, have publicly stated their belief that the NFL will be back in Los Angeles next year. Goodell tempered that sentiment in public comments to reporters after the league’s annual meeting last month.
The Rams have already won political support for their Inglewood stadium; the Chargers and Raiders are expected to get similar such approval this summer. The Chargers and Raiders, meanwhile, are both giving some credence to the local efforts to keep them, while Kroenke has largely disengaged from the effort in St. Louis to keep the Rams.
The NFL’s Los Angeles committee is not the only league group that’s meeting in New York next week. Several committees are meeting, as is common in the weeks leading up to a full league gathering.
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You could actually have 17 games each season as you could schedule around every team's bye week. You could even do the Thursday games there as well. That way, each team could play twice in LA and still have 7 home and 7 away games each year. Think of the spectacle you'd have. And I would think the NFL could let Stan build and operate the stadium while still owning the Rams.
The biggest problem I see is that the unions probably wouldn't go for having one less home game every year for their members to work. Although, the NFL could probably afford to pay them for that game and just have them not show up.
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Uh oh. What would we do about the playoffs? You remember, playoffs, those games played after we usually go to bed. lol... I guess we'd have to alternate or something.
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