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[RamFan503]

"The NFL’s relocation bylaws grant significant deference to home markets, creating parallel processes in Los Angeles and in St. Louis, Oakland and San Diego". ^
Why is LA being considered a home market?

Maybe because it once had an NFL team? Or maybe Kaplan is FOS.

 

[blue4]

You could actually have 17 games each season as you could schedule around every team's bye week. You could even do the Thursday games there as well. That way, each team could play twice in LA and still have 7 home and 7 away games each year. Think of the spectacle you'd have. And I would think the NFL could let Stan build and operate the stadium while still owning the Rams.

The biggest problem I see is that the unions probably wouldn't go for having one less home game every year for their members to work. Although, the NFL could probably afford to pay them for that game and just have them not show up.

What unions? I didn't know that any of the stadium workers were union. I thought they were part time food service type employees. Seems like only maintenance would be full time, and they'd work anyway.

 

[MrMotes]

Give 'em a fish vs. teach 'em how to fish - y'know?

I never understood why it had to be one or the other...

 

[blue4]

I never understood why it had to be one or the other...

I'm not saying it would be one or the other, just that the part time food service guys are much more transient in how long they stay employed by a single organization, so they typically are much less likely to organize. Most are just there until something better pans out or just there for some extra cash.

If they are indeed that type of employee. I don't see how they could be full time when they are only needed to support 10 days a year, minus playoffs.

 

[dieterbrock]

What unions? I didn't know that any of the stadium workers were union. I thought they were part time food service type employees. Seems like only maintenance would be full time, and they'd work anyway.

I can't speak for the West Coast, but here in the NYC area we most certainly have Foodservice worker unions. In addition the stadiums outsource the Foodservice to large corporate companies to run. Like Aramark, Compass group, Sodexho etc. and whoever gets that corporate contract will def run into a local union
In any event, I think the idea is pretty cool

 

[bluecoconuts]

I hope they release most/all of the details in the pitch next week, I'm especially interested in Carson. I already figure that Kroenke is going to essentially boil it down to "We're ready to go, here's our designs, I'm paying for it, there's not much risk, and I can have shovels in the dirt ASAP with a green light", but Carson should have more "new" information. I expect a new stadium design now with the Radiers input (if there isn't a new design, then that could really add to the "bluff" rumor) and a lot more information on the financing, since it seems pretty hazy at the moment.

 

[Hacksaw]

According to many here Peacock is gettin' 'er done but the plan still includes the $450 mm commitment from ESK. There have been rumored back up "private investors" who might pick up the owners share to build it. No names I've heard of other than that Enterprise guy who said 'not so fast'.
I don't know how much we will really hear though. My guess there will be a gag on what gets released during open lame duck season.

 

[Hacksaw]

Has anyone got any information about an alternative type NFL meeting called a quorum? Apparently 20 members can make up this quorum and if they vote on something the 3/4ths majority is only equivalent to 1/2 the owners. Dopes it hold the same weight?

 

[BuiltRamTough]

I hope they release most/all of the details in the pitch next week, I'm especially interested in Carson. I already figure that Kroenke is going to essentially boil it down to "We're ready to go, here's our designs, I'm paying for it, there's not much risk, and I can have shovels in the dirt ASAP with a green light", but Carson should have more "new" information. I expect a new stadium design now with the Radiers input (if there isn't a new design, then that could really add to the "bluff" rumor) and a lot more information on the financing, since it seems pretty hazy at the moment.

As of right now..

The reason the funding is hazy for the Carson project is because they're still trying to figure out if and how they could finance it, similar to the other 3 cities. Stan's Inglewood project is ready to go like you said and Stan has his checkbook out. I don't even know if the land in Carson has been bought and finalized.

But all that could change by the end of next week.

 

[blue4]

I can't speak for the West Coast, but here in the NYC area we most certainly have Foodservice worker unions. In addition the stadiums outsource the Foodservice to large corporate companies to run. Like Aramark, Compass group, Sodexho etc. and whoever gets that corporate contract will def run into a local union
In any event, I think the idea is pretty cool

I'm not sure what we've got here. As for the switching back and forth idea, call me selfish but I want my team here all the time like the other 31 cities. I'd rather have another team here full time then split this one. I think both cities deserve it.

Course, I rather just have the one we've got but.....

 

[RAMSinLA]

Has anyone got any information about an alternative type NFL meeting called a quorum? Apparently 20 members can make up this quorum and if they vote on something the 3/4ths majority is only equivalent to 1/2 the owners. Dopes it hold the same weight?

Yeah Hack saw, a quorum is just a term for the fewest number of members of an organization needed for a valid meeting. I believe any rule changes or decisions that the quorum makes can be appealed by the majority.

 

[bluecoconuts]

As of right now..

The reason the funding is hazy for the Carson project is because they're still trying to figure out if and how they could finance it, similar to the other 3 cities. Stan's Inglewood project is ready to go like you said and Stan has his checkbook out. I don't even know if the land in Carson has been bought and finalized.

But all that could change by the end of next week.

I believe the Carson land essentially is still in the "seller is obligated to sell, buyer obligated to buy" mode. My guess is that changes if they get a green light.

 

[MrMotes]

I believe the Carson land essentially is still in the "seller is obligated to sell, buyer obligated to buy" mode. My guess is that changes if they get a green light.

Last month word was the land deal would be finalized by the end of March:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-carson-stadium-will-be-purchased-this-month/

Land for Carson stadium will be purchased this month
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2015, 4:05 PM EDT

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Regardless of whether the Chargers and Raiders move to a new stadium to be built in Carson, California, the Chargers will own a large piece of land there.

According to Nathan Fenno and Tim Logan of theLos Angeles Times, the Chargers already have agreed to purchase from Starwood Capital Group the property on which the stadium would be built.

“There are no contingencies, there is no option,” Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani told the Times. “We have to buy it. Starwood has to sell it.”

I haven't heard anything about it since and March is over...

 

[BuiltRamTough]

Last month word was the land deal would be finalized by the end of March:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-carson-stadium-will-be-purchased-this-month/

Land for Carson stadium will be purchased this month
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2015, 4:05 PM EDT

Getty Images
Regardless of whether the Chargers and Raiders move to a new stadium to be built in Carson, California, the Chargers will own a large piece of land there.

According to Nathan Fenno and Tim Logan of theLos Angeles Times, the Chargers already have agreed to purchase from Starwood Capital Group the property on which the stadium would be built.

“There are no contingencies, there is no option,” Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani told the Times. “We have to buy it. Starwood has to sell it.”

I haven't heard anything about it since and March is over...

How much did the 60 acres cost Stan? 100 mill?

 

[bluecoconuts]

I haven't heard anything about it since and March is over...

Nor have I, so I'm assuming they haven't done it yet. I don't think it'll take long to get that done, depending on the price.

How much did the 60 acres cost Stan? 100 mill?

They said it was rumored to be between 90-100 million, but it may have been at a discount, didn't Walmart own the land before? Apparently the Carson project is somewhere around 168 acres, no idea what the cost would be. Then again there's still a lot of cost needed to make it clean so maybe it'll be cheaper.

 

[Thordaddy]

I never understood why it had to be one or the other...

Sorry Motes but that is a misquote at least in this thread I didn't say that, but to give you some perspective on how I view that statement , it doesn't HAVE to be one or the other as long as it's understood that they have the tendency to mutually exclude.

There are people who will tell you that the current food stamp program dwarfs the food kitchens of the Great Depression and that the type of reticence to accepting that as a permanent fate manifest in Russel Crowes character in "Cinderella Man" has disappeared even morphed into expecting that as way of life . IOW we the achievers of the world are doing fine but the depression hasn't ended for too much of our population and that giving them the fish is robbing them of what is prompting us to end that dire economic plight.

Hope that explains it for you, I figured I'd reply since you quoted me ,or mis quoted maybe I said that in another thread or another board even , not ruling out that it might be out there in the great out there.

 

[blue4]

I want that Carson project to work, but exactly is going to be under that stadium? Isn't it on a dump or something? I suppose I could Google it......

 

[Sum1]

I can't speak for the West Coast, but here in the NYC area we most certainly have Foodservice worker unions. In addition the stadiums outsource the Foodservice to large corporate companies to run. Like Aramark, Compass group, Sodexho etc. and whoever gets that corporate contract will def run into a local union
In any event, I think the idea is pretty cool

I'm not sure about the food service employees here in St. Louis (though I certainly wouldn't doubt it)...but on a typical game there are MULTIPLE unions working.

The in house A/V equipment (Daktronics replay screen, the audio system, camera ops, EVS replay system, etc) is operated my IBEW Local 1. The spot lights, pyro, and other player intro elements are operated by the IATSE Local 6 stagehand union. All the signage and banners that are up around boards at field level are hung and taken down before and after every game by Local 39 Decorators. All the TV crews are supplemented with local labor through IBEW Local 4. Local 6, Local 1, and Local 39 have a hand in the team sponsored tailgate in Baer Park outside the dome every game.

...and those are only the parts that I know of...I am sure there are more.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I want that Carson project to work, but exactly is going to be under that stadium? Isn't it on a dump or something? I suppose I could Google it......

It was a dump, lots of toxic gasses. They did some clean up, so its almost ready to be built on, but needs more. They also need to have constant maintainence done so the toxic gasses are safely removed in a controlled way, rather than just leaking through the soil (and likely stinking up the air as well), which will supposedly cost between 200,000-300,000 dollars per year.

I believe they will put some plastic sheet under everything so they can funnel the gasses to where they want them to go.

Its doable, but its not ideal. The NFL turned it down before and that was among the reasons.

 

[MrMotes]

Nor have I, so I'm assuming they haven't done it yet. I don't think it'll take long to get that done, depending on the price.

Fabiani straight out said it was locked in, a done deal, would be done by the end of March. I've been of the opinion that he's been the mouth piece for a bluff. This is consistent with that but certainly doesn't prove anything...