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[rams2050]

Great story about Dave Peacock, potential for Rams' relocation: http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/02/16/Franchises/Peacock-St-Louis.aspx

 

[myronjax]

Count me as one of the Illinois residents who comes across the bridge to see games. That's the part that many people who live in other parts of the country don't understand. The St. Louis area also includes residents of metro east over in Illinois and there are TONS of Cardinals and Rams fans over there. I'm in O'fallon, IL, and the ride from there to the dome is a lot easier than my ride over from North St. Louis County was when I lived there. They even have the Cards and Rams Express in Fairview Heights for the residents over there. For $5, they will provide you with a ride to and from Busch Stadium and the EJD. All you have to do is park at St. Clair Mall and hop on the buses they have circling in and out. I even see fans of other teams on the bus, though they are normally greatly outnumbered.

I too live in Illinois-2 hours away in Charleston. This is Bears & Colts territory, but a few of us drive down to the ED to see at least 1-2 games per year. The support here in the Midwest is, indeed, regional, not just local. Unfortunately, very few games make it on the tube here, and I have Dish, not Direct-TV, so no NFL ticket. I watch a halting, streaming feed via Europe of the Rams games. The feed sucks almost as bad as they have, Lol, but I still watch. I'll be glad when this fiasco is over..but I have enjoyed reading all of the posts from you guys!! Wish I had the time to do more research to add to the conversation-you guys are amazing!

 

[Loyal]

I just watched a show about the Cleveland Browns relocating to Baltimore. They let the team know about the decision with 8 games left in the season, and they were favored to reach the Super Bowl....The poor Browns fans....It made me feel the sickness when the Rams moved to St Louis, and I didn't like it. I want the Rams to stay. I don't think they will, but dammit......It's just not fair to fans, and it won't make what happened (moving from LA) right....Besides, I got my flat screen HDTV, the internet, and a great home experience watching the Rams play....A lot has changed since 1994.

 

[myronjax]

I remember when Bidwell was trying to force St. Louis to build him a new stadium for the Big Red-things got really contentious between the city, county, & the football team. My memory sucks, I admit it, but I seem to recall a general feeling of "hope the door kicks you in the ass on your way out going to Phoenix" ...this time around, the threat of losing a football team is entirely different- we are fighting to keep our team. Thankfully, cooler heads are leading the way this time...maybe for naught-that remains to be seen.

 

[RamBill]

The public body that owns and operates the Edward Jones Dome filed suit Friday against the city of St. Louis. They are trying to avoid a public vote on the use of taxpayer money for a new downtown football stadium. The St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Authority would ultimately be responsible for building the proposed stadium on the riverfront. The RSA is suing St. Louis city claiming the city ordinance requiring a citywide vote before public funds are spent on a stadium is, “Overly broad, vague and ambiguous.” The city says the ordinance is legal.

Watch Fox 2 Report on Stadium Lawsuit

 

[blue4]

Can't do that, they need to maintain the illusion that they actually care about the fans and see us as more than just walking sacks of money eager to give it away.

Putting us in the same boat as SD isn't maintaining the illusion, it's destroying it. It makes it obvious. Maintaining the illusion would be..

"Obviously, the timetable for SD and Oakland are quicker, as they've been years with fruitless negotiations between the city and team. STL is a little different, as it's only been a couple of years negotiating between the team and a convention panel. Obviously, we'd need to see actual good faith negotiations between the team and someone who actually matters in the state before we can view them with SD and talk relocation."

That would be an illusion.

 

[blue4]

Being that it is obviously slow on the information front I suppose we can continue to derail this thread a bit.

I'd rather figure out a way to provide some infrastructure or clean water so they can maybe stop being poor rather than provide some family a house that they can't maintain. Give 'em a fish vs. teach 'em how to fish - y'know?

Many parts of the world you'd need a revolution before anything trickles down to the poor.

 

[Thordaddy]

Stu said:
Being that it is obviously slow on the information front I suppose we can continue to derail this thread a bit.

I'd rather figure out a way to provide some infrastructure or clean water so they can maybe stop being poor rather than provide some family a house that they can't maintain. Give 'em a fish vs. teach 'em how to fish - y'know?
blue came back with:

Many parts of the world you'd need a revolution before anything trickles down to the poor.

Thordaddy observed :

If you've ever studied Maslow it becomes obvious the the worst thing to do to people isn't to tax them to redistribute to the "poor" the worst thing you do is remove the recipients opportunity /motivation to rise to the higher levels of development. The need to justify ones self worth depends upon what they contribute, not what the contributors supply to them.

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

OK that's my wisdom for the day, back to being a dummy.

 

[RamFan503]

Stu said:
Being that it is obviously slow on the information front I suppose we can continue to derail this thread a bit.

I'd rather figure out a way to provide some infrastructure or clean water so they can maybe stop being poor rather than provide some family a house that they can't maintain. Give 'em a fish vs. teach 'em how to fish - y'know?
blue came back with:

Many parts of the world you'd need a revolution before anything trickles down to the poor.

Thordaddy observed :

If you've ever studied Maslow it becomes obvious the the worst thing to do to people isn't to tax them to redistribute to the "poor" the worst thing you do is remove the recipients opportunity /motivation to rise to the higher levels of development. The need to justify ones self worth depends upon what they contribute, not what the contributors supply to them.

http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

OK that's my wisdom for the day, back to being a dummy.

You saying to teach them to fish?

 

[blue4]

You saying to teach them to fish?

Some places they'd have to learn to fight back before you could teach them to fish. It's a sad thing that a person almost has to do charity work in a first world country so a warlord doesn't take your donations.
But that's just my impression of it. I really just wanted to participate in the thread derailment like the other cool kids.

 

[RamFan503]

I really just wanted to participate in the thread derailment like the other cool kids.

 

[rhinobean]

I remember when Bidwell was trying to force St. Louis to build him a new stadium for the Big Red-things got really contentious between the city, county, & the football team. My memory sucks, I admit it, but I seem to recall a general feeling of "hope the door kicks you in the ass on your way out going to Phoenix" ...this time around, the threat of losing a football team is entirely different- we are fighting to keep our team. Thankfully, cooler heads are leading the way this time...maybe for naught-that remains to be seen.

It was a different climate then than now! Worst drafting team ever in George Boone and co. Bidwill was tighter than a drum and the stadium was 20 years old! No playoffs here and of course no Superbowl Champs. Still, I missed having the team to watch at Busch!

 

[Goose]

I can't go into details but just want to reaffirm that Dave Peacock is still very much on course and that he's receiving positive feedback and encouragement from the league. Spoke to him for about 30 minutes today - and nothing has changed in terms of his confidence level and demeanor. Because he's been working on so many different fronts, he remains upbeat on stadium financing and would welcome a chance to make a presentation to the owners - which is a distinct possibility in May. A lot of interesting things going on behind the scenes. Gov. Nixon continues to have regular dialogue with Roger Goodell, and Peacock frequently confers with Eric Grubman on the STL stadium issues. The league (according to Peacock) has a full understanding of the ongoing efforts here and is pleased with the progress.

Just passing along what I can. I've been dealing with Peacock on this stuff for two years and his frame of mind is as positive as it has ever been.

Feel free to disregard.

-B

http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1103832&p=14816214#p14816214

 

[Legatron4]

I was talking to one of my buddies today who said he has family in St.Louis. He says they don't care about the Rams and think nobody else does either. It's a "baseball town". I tried to tell him differently, but no dice. It's really aggravating.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I was talking to one of my buddies today who said he has family in St.Louis. He says they don't care about the Rams and think nobody else does either. It's a "baseball town". I tried to tell him differently, but no dice. It's really aggravating.

Meh, everyone is different.. My girlfriend's family says they hope the Rams leave and can't wait for them to go. They love the Rams though, so I get the feeling it's more "you're not breaking up with me, I'm breaking up with you!" though.

 

[bluecoconuts]

http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1103832&p=14816214#p14816214

I'd be shocked if the owners brought Peacock to the meetings.

 

[RamFan503]

I was talking to one of my buddies today who said he has family in St.Louis. He says they don't care about the Rams and think nobody else does either. It's a "baseball town". I tried to tell him differently, but no dice. It's really aggravating.

You can find them in St Louis and you could find them in LA when the Rams and Raiduhs left. Purely anecdotal on that front. I'm sure most real football fans in St Louis would hate to see the Rams leave.

 

[RamFan503]

I'd be shocked if the owners brought Peacock to the meetings.

Brought? Probably not. But I wouldn't doubt for a second that they would allow him to make a presentation. St Louis is where the Rams call home and at minimum they would want to look like they are giving everyone an equal shake - especially being that he is lead man on the effort to keep the NFL in that market with the backing of the state's governor.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Brought? Probably not. But I wouldn't doubt for a second that they would allow him to make a presentation. St Louis is where the Rams call home and at minimum they would want to look like they are giving everyone an equal shake - especially being that he is lead man on the effort to keep the NFL in that market with the backing of the state's governor.

I can see him sitting with Grubman, and him passing along things, but unless pointmen from each city come to discuss what they're doing, or they get their financing figured out and locked in by then, I don't see him actually going there. It could happen, but I'm not really seeing it at this point.

 

[ChrisW]

I was talking to one of my buddies today who said he has family in St.Louis. He says they don't care about the Rams and think nobody else does either. It's a "baseball town". I tried to tell him differently, but no dice. It's really aggravating.

There's just a huge Cardinals circlejerk around STL. It's like the cool thing to like the Cardinals.

The only reason you'll hear people not caring about the Rams is the casual NFL fans that jumped ship after that tedious 10 year stretch.