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[bluecoconuts]

The average attendance for the Blues in 14-15 is 18,500.
Average for the Kings 18,300.
According to ESPN.

That's with more population and a better building so
I don't think there's a definite correlation between the building and the attendance. I think there is a definite correlation between the building and the owner ego.

Staples holds 18,118, so it's a bit hard to get much higher than that...

 

[bluecoconuts]

Bastid.

BTW - I think the Kings have been hanging with them just fine of late.

Not lately, the loss of Voynov and Mitchell have been hard on the D and the team just looks worn down. Lot of mileage from the past three seasons, all deep runs, and last year was especially taxing. If they make the playoffs, I'd be shocked if they made very much noise. With 2 games left, I don't think they do it, they shouldn't have lost last night, and especially not tonight against the Oilers.

 

[blue4]

Staples holds 18,118, so it's a bit hard to get much higher than that...

I guess ESPN is misinformed. Either way I think you're grasping at straws. People show up when the team is good and they don't as much when they suck. When you are good more often than not you build a stable fan base. A new building will bump you a year or two maybe. Either way RamFan503 is right. It's a pointless argument.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I guess ESPN is misinformed. Either way I think you're grasping at straws. People show up when the team is good and they don't as much when they suck. When you are good more often than not you build a stable fan base. A new building will bump you a year or two maybe. Either way RamFan503 is right. It's a pointless argument.

My point was lost somehow, it was just that you can't assume a winning team automatically fills a stadium, just as you can't assume a new stadium automatically fills either. You need a combination of the two for long term success. However the nicer the stadium typically the easier it fill it. Owners can hedge their bets somewhat with a nicer venue. That's why Kroenke wants a new stadium and wanted a total overhaul of the Dome.

 

[DCH]

As to the above article, how would this William White guy have standing? Where are the forum legal minds? @Stel , @DCH ?

Unfortunately I'm not a lawyer, I'm just named after a few stooges what played one on TV.

 

[LesBaker]

Stan remembers. If Stan bought the team whole in 95 maybe he wouldn't of took the team to STL. All you got to do it look at the link you posted and not guess and speculate. There's 1 pic online of a half empty stadium in 95 I think it's the last game day played but people go off of that one pic. But they look at the average numbers and go wow.

You realize the only reason he bought into the Rams in the first place was because they were moving. It was a stipulation in the purchase that the team moved to STL.

So your theory is a little weak there.

 

[BonifayRam]

With 3 NFL teams and 2 stadiums at play for L.A., here are 9 possible outcomes


http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-0408-nfl-stadium-scenarios-20150408-story.html#page=2

 

[dbrooks25]

With 3 NFL teams and 2 stadiums at play for L.A., here are 9 possible outcomes


http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-0408-nfl-stadium-scenarios-20150408-story.html#page=2

Already been posted. Thanks, though.

 

[BigRamFan]

Yeah - calmer heads do need to prevail. I'm not sure that there are a lot of true comparisons out there for different venues. It's a little like comparing Magic to Jordon to Kobe to Dr. J.

It'd be good if we went back to discussing any new information that comes in and not try to project too much. It's a tough issue and I really can't blame fans in either market for getting upset.

Let's all just try to remain civil toward each other and keep in mind that none of us is really going to change the outcome - certainly not by flaming each other.

And BTW @drasconis - you need an avatar.

Right! Because @RamFan503 we both know Mike was the MUCH better and more successful player! :fighting:

 

[dieterbrock]

I would like a new stadium as well, but why should St. Louis be the only team held to this standard? Who else has gotten a new stadium that fast? Who else has gotten a new stadium that fast with the worst product in the history of the league?

The only reason this is being discussed or even happening is because of the stupid freaking lease they agreed to, and the product on the field. No one would give a crap about the dome if they had seen a playoff game, or a winning season there in the past decade

Seattle Kingdome- Opened in 1976, last season played 1999- 23 years
Indianapolis RCA Dome- Opened 1984, last season played 2007-23 years
Atlanta Georgia Dome- Opened 1992, last season to be played (approx) 2016- 24 years
Minnesota Metrodome- Opened 1982, last season played 2013- 31 years
Houston Astrodome- Opened 1965, last season played 1996- 31 years

St Louis Edward Jones Dome- Opened 1995, Last season played?? Currently playing in their 20th season. If St Louis stadium plan is approved, they play there in 2021, which would have them playing at the Ed another 5 years, total of 25 seasons.

Side note- The Rams are the only team to win the Superbowl while calling their stadium home

So in reality, they are right in line with many other stadiums

And yeah, there was the poison pill clause in that contract making a commitment that just couldn't be made, top 25%?
And no matter who the owner is/was, executing that opt out was going to happen.

 

[rhinobean]

My point was lost somehow, it was just that you can't assume a winning team automatically fills a stadium, just as you can't assume a new stadium automatically fills either. You need a combination of the two for long term success. However the nicer the stadium typically the easier it fill it. Owners can hedge their bets somewhat with a nicer venue. That's why Kroenke wants a new stadium and wanted a total overhaul of the Dome.

Kroenke's dome overhaul was at 700 million! And none of that was team money! Makes sense to build a new stadium and not disrupt the operation of the dome while it's being overhauled! Also, team participation for the new stadium makes sense, fiscally!

 

[ChrisW]

Bastid.

BTW - I think the Kings have been hanging with them just fine of late.

Those recent Stanley Cups have helped both teams sell out the past couple of years. I have no idea about King's games but those Blackhawk tickets are expensive! It's surprising they sell out every game to me.

 

[RamFan503]

Right! Because @RamFan503 we both know Mike was the MUCH better and more successful player! :fighting:

Oh - I forgot that championship Mike won in his rookie season while playing all five positions on the court including starting at center against Daryl Dawkins scoring 42 points, 15 boards, and 7 assists. Of course only after having a triple double in the previous game at guard with a 101 degree fever. Oh wait! There's no fucking way he could ever do all that. Who was that then? Lemme think... Oh yeah Magic. I forgot it took MJ 7 fucking years to win his first and he was only able to play one position. :jerkoff::cheers:

 

[BigRamFan]

Oh - I forgot that championship Mike won in his rookie season while playing all five positions on the court including starting at center against Daryl Dawkins scoring 42 points, 15 boards, and 7 assists. Of course only after having a triple double in the previous game at guard with a 101 degree fever. Oh wait! There's no freaking way he could ever do all that. Who was that then? Lemme think... Oh yeah Magic. I forgot it took MJ 7 freaking years to win his first and he was only able to play one position. :jerkoff::cheers:

Yeah, I guess playing with a boo boo trumps Mike leading his team to 6 NBA tiles (> Earvin's 5), 5 time NBA MVP (> Earvin's 3), and 6 time NBA Finals MVP (> Earvin's 3)...oh, wait a minute?

Also, Mike is a Tarheel! Top that!! :mustache: :cheers:

 

[RamFan503]

Yeah, I guess playing with a boo boo trumps Mike leading his team to 6 NBA tiles (> Earvin's 5), 5 time NBA MVP (> Earvin's 3), and 6 time NBA Finals MVP (> Earvin's 3)...oh, wait a minute?

Also, Mike is a Tarheel! Top that!! :mustache: :cheers:

Yeah Michael was the best shooting guard that ever played but Magic was the best all around basketball player that ever played. We saw that Phil could win without MJ. Too bad MJ never showed he could win without Phil. Meanwhile, Magic proved it wasn't about coaching and did whatever the TEAM needed. No wonder he didn't win so many popularity contests when some games he would have only a few points to go with his 20 assists and 10 boards. Add to that, beating AIDS and making millions of dollars by being a smart businessman ( not a degenerate gambler ) while putting together a group that bought the Dodgers and returned them to the top draw in the MLB. Michael was a top notch one trick pony.

Also... Magic was and is a Laker. Consider it topped.

 

[Legatron4]

What is this, NBA.com?
Back to discussing!
opcorn:

 

[ChrisW]

What is this, NBA.com?
Back to discussing!
opcorn:

Back to how shitty STL is and how much better LA is.

Oh shit, this isn't RamStalk.

 

[Legatron4]

Back to how crappy STL is and how much better LA is.

Oh crap, this isn't RamStalk.

Lol. I was over there the other day(why the fuck?)and a basic conversation goes like this:
"So like, Sam Bradford sucks monkey balls"
"You suck monkey balls"
"Yeah well LA is better then STL"
"Fuck you"
Andddd scene.

 

[ChrisW]

Lol. I was over there the other day(why the freak?)and a basic conversation goes like this:
"So like, Sam Bradford sucks monkey balls"
"You suck monkey balls"
"Yeah well LA is better then STL"
"freak you"
Andddd scene.

Lol, sounds about right. There's some well crafted troll posts there, sometimes. But what it boils down to is what you posted here.

 

[iced]

I think there is a definite correlation between the building and the owner ego.

If that were true Dallas wouldn't have any sell outs