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St Louis Edward Jones Dome- Opened 1995, Last season played?? Currently playing in their 20th season. If St Louis stadium plan is approved, they play there in 2021, which .

Not with 24 hour construction crews. And the NFL said even being ready for the 2020 season was too late

http://missouribusinessalert.com/in...xon-proposes-24-hour-shifts-for-rams-stadium/
The plan would save as much as $45 million on the proposed $985 million stadium, Nixon said, and it would speed up construction. The original proposal for the stadium called for it to be ready by the 2020 season, which the NFL said was too late.



http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/02/st-louis-stadium-rams-raiders-chargers-los-angeles-nfl/

That’s significant because if the first shovel goes in the ground by this August, the NFL could have a pristine new St. Louis stadium built in time for the 2017 season. (That’s likely too fast a timetable; it’s more probable that stadium construction would start later, and the venue would be ready in 2018 or in time for the NFL’s 100th season, in 2019.)
 

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Whats your point? If they stay 23 years, 24 years etc, its all in the ball park of the examples of other stadiums being replaced

That the stadium won't take til 2021.... 2017-18 is more realistic...
 

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That the stadium won't take til 2021.... 2017-18 is more realistic...
Each of the new stadiums being built took 3-4 years, so in keeping apples to apples the rams are looking at playing in the Ed for 23-24 years, in line with the other stadium replacements

One other thing that appears pretty consistent with the new replacement stadiums is that the reason for going new is a combination of MLS opportunity/Hosting Super Bowl opportunity
 

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Gotta think its pretty unlikely that shovels hit dirt this year in St Louis, especially in August. I think summer of 2016 would be more likely, if the stadium is being built with the Rams to play in it, but it I had to take a stab it'll be ready by 2019 if it is indeed the Rams who play there. Gotta think Kroenke won't agree to anything until it's certain he won't go to LA, and then working to hammer out details. I'm not sure where the line for "too late" is (other than 2020 hits it) but the NFL could have essentially given St Louis an impossible task, even with 24 hour work.
 

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Gotta think its pretty unlikely that shovels hit dirt this year in St Louis, especially in August. I think summer of 2016 would be more likely, if the stadium is being built with the Rams to play in it, but it I had to take a stab it'll be ready by 2019 if it is indeed the Rams who play there. Gotta think Kroenke won't agree to anything until it's certain he won't go to LA, and then working to hammer out details. I'm not sure where the line for "too late" is (other than 2020 hits it) but the NFL could have essentially given St Louis an impossible task, even with 24 hour work.
i doubt it'll happen this summer too but the timeline was important - looks like with the 24 hour work their guestimate was 2 1/2 to 3 years to get it done
 

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Whats your point? If they stay 23 years, 24 years etc, its all in the ball park of the examples of other stadiums being replaced

That the stadium won't take til 2021.... 2017-18 is more realistic...

Each of the new stadiums being built took 3-4 years, so in keeping apples to apples the rams are looking at playing in the Ed for 23-24 years, in line with the other stadium replacements

One other thing that appears pretty consistent with the new replacement stadiums is that the reason for going new is a combination of MLS opportunity/Hosting Super Bowl opportunity
Isn't all this a moot point? Everyone has already acknowledged a new stadium in St Louis is a must regardless of how long it has been there. We know anything in LA will be new. I'm not sure any fan or city should like the idea that a team would need a new stadium every 20 - 25 years. My hope is that whatever or where ever they build and where ever my Rams play, they are in a stadium that will be there and stay current for 50 years or more. Build some horns right into the freaking thing so no other team can call it home. Let's have some permanence for a change. At a clip of 1 - 2 billion dollars a pop, this is just fucking stupid if you ask me.
 

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Isn't all this a moot point? Everyone has already acknowledged a new stadium in St Louis is a must regardless of how long it has been there. We know anything in LA will be new. I'm not sure any fan or city should like the idea that a team would need a new stadium every 20 - 25 years. My hope is that whatever or where ever they build and where ever my Rams play, they are in a stadium that will be there and stay current for 50 years or more. Build some horns right into the freaking thing so no other team can call it home. Let's have some permanence for a change. At a clip of 1 - 2 billion dollars a pop, this is just freaking stupid if you ask me.

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Let's put a goddammed matterhorn right outside the gates with a badass ram standing at the peak.
 

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i doubt it'll happen this summer too but the timeline was important - looks like with the 24 hour work their guestimate was 2 1/2 to 3 years to get it done

I'm just curious when the NFL thinks it's too late. If they just said 2020 is too late, try again, what does that really mean? Did they say have it done by 2019? 2018? What happens if they come out and say it needs to be done by 2018, then what? Just seems like more BS from the NFL to give themselves wiggle room to leave "guilt free" if they want.
 

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Let's put a goddammed matterhorn right outside the gates with a badass ram standing at the peak.

No to Anaheim!
 

dieterbrock

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Isn't all this a moot point? Everyone has already acknowledged a new stadium in St Louis is a must regardless of how long it has been there. We know anything in LA will be new. I'm not sure any fan or city should like the idea that a team would need a new stadium every 20 - 25 years. My hope is that whatever or where ever they build and where ever my Rams play, they are in a stadium that will be there and stay current for 50 years or more. Build some horns right into the freaking thing so no other team can call it home. Let's have some permanence for a change. At a clip of 1 - 2 billion dollars a pop, this is just freaking stupid if you ask me.
Moot? Not really, at least not in the post I made earlier in response to someone who implied that the Rams wanting a new stadium after a short time (20+ years) was some sort or rarity or exception. It isnt in today's day and age, and I gave some solid examples.
As a outside fan, I'd be just fine with the Rams just upgrading the ED, starting with replacing the 49er-red seats that have been an eye sore since the jump. However as a fan of the city of St Louis, I'd love to see them get a new stadium that will allow for a Superbowl to be played there AND a potential MLS team. The ED can still be profitable and enhanced to his Final Fours etc. Would be an economic boon to a city that I consider to be an awesome sports city
Heck, maybe they can move the Nuggets to St Louis to help avoid the cross ownership issue
 

RamFan503

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Moot? Not really, at least not in the post I made earlier in response to someone who implied that the Rams wanting a new stadium after a short time (20+ years) was some sort or rarity or exception. It isnt in today's day and age, and I gave some solid examples.
As a outside fan, I'd be just fine with the Rams just upgrading the ED, starting with replacing the 49er-red seats that have been an eye sore since the jump. However as a fan of the city of St Louis, I'd love to see them get a new stadium that will allow for a Superbowl to be played there AND a potential MLS team. The ED can still be profitable and enhanced to his Final Fours etc. Would be an economic boon to a city that I consider to be an awesome sports city
Heck, maybe they can move the Nuggets to St Louis to help avoid the cross ownership issue
It doesn't matter - therefore it is moot. No one is suggesting anything but the Rams playing in a new stadium. Doesn't matter if it was built 5 years ago or 50. It is just a point of argument at this time. This is not just directed at you. There will be a new stadium for the Rams to play in no matter where it is. There is really no purpose in rehashing this except to just maintain an argument. The Rams played in the Coliseum that was over 50 years old when they left it. So?

The NFL is mandating a timeline for this to get done. At this point the age of the building doesn't matter. The age of other stadiums in the NFL doesn't really matter either. What may matter is if the NFL feels that the Rams have been trying since the initial 25% period in the lease was due to kick in but that could have been put in to come up in 2020 or 2005. The lease says otherwise so now it's all up for interpretation by the NFL and whether the city can put everything together NOW.

Personally, I think the government has no business building stadiums or any other structures to house private businesses. If the team owner can demonstrate a direct fiscal benefit to the local gov't through the economic benefit, then I'd be ok with them offering tax deferments or even a percentage based tax break. But they should not be building or financing the building of stadiums with tax dollars - even if it is paid for by tourists. If the owners had to build their own stadiums and also reaped the benefits, there would be a shitload less relocation talk throughout the league.

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Man it's tough sledding trying to get a new stadium built isn't it? I mean, humble taxpaying citizens bankrupting/stretching a communities resources to build a stadium for their local team and their billionaire owners. Why is it so hard to get done?
 

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Yeah Michael was the best shooting guard that ever played but Magic was the best all around basketball player that ever played. We saw that Phil could win without MJ. Too bad MJ never showed he could win without Phil. Meanwhile, Magic proved it wasn't about coaching and did whatever the TEAM needed. No wonder he didn't win so many popularity contests when some games he would have only a few points to go with his 20 assists and 10 boards. Add to that, beating AIDS and making millions of dollars by being a smart businessman ( not a degenerate gambler ) while putting together a group that bought the Dodgers and returned them to the top draw in the MLB. Michael was a top notch one trick pony.

Also... Magic was and is a Laker. Consider it topped. :D

I think it's worth noting that the Bulls came within a whisker of going to the Finals without MJ while he was playing baseball and most likely would have won the title too.

If I could select any 5 guys to fill the 5 spots on a team as starters they'd both be on the team but I would consider Magic more important.
 

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I think it's worth noting that the Bulls came within a whisker of going to the Finals without MJ while he was playing baseball and most likely would have won the title too.

If I could select any 5 guys to fill the 5 spots on a team as starters they'd both be on the team but I would consider Magic more important.
Have I told you lately Les how logical and brilliant you are?
 

ChrisW

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...5170-a93d-fd7c52e4f431.html?mobile_touch=true

2 large St. Louis business councils wrote a letter to the NFL to let them know they were in the market for seats and suites.

The Regional Business Council, a group of 100 area chief executives
Civic Progress, made up of the region's largest employers.

*tried to copy the story here, but it wouldn't let me copy it...I guess Stltoday is going hard on the money grab looking for clicks.
 

mr.stlouis

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Being the owners won't even vote until this fall, this topic is beyond pointless right now. It will all come down to the votes. Will STL satisfy the relocation guidelines and NFL standards? Hell yes. Will that stop these greedy badtards? May not.

Freak this shite
 

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Yep mr. st louis.....it's a pointless argument right now....Yet we are drawn to it like a moth to flame..
 
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