Mayfield and McVay

[BonifayRam]

Can the Rams afford Baker? At least no draft capital was needed to get him.

Can the Rams afford not to sign Mayfield.......I think not.

I can think of numerous long-term starters I would let go before I would let a QB like Mayfield walk out @ this time.

Just in case you don't see it the Rams QB situation last week was on life support.......four days later .....well things have changed have they not.

 

[BonifayRam]

O struggles will still come down to OL and other injuries.

The depth wasn't great....but, it is certainly getting better with the real game reps.
Copeland, Hoecht, Durant, Skow, Tutu, Williams....there have guys that have stepped up and grown through a very tough situation.
I would expect most of those guys to have roles next year.
Next to step up...I hope....Thomas, and another DB, McCutcheon and my dude Trammell.

You named 3 DL'ers above zero OL'ers... Zero OL'ers.

Paints an ugly picture for the OL does it not...I wonder if OL coach Carberry follows the other four Ram coaches for new jobs elsewhere...

 

[Merlin]

I don't think Stafford is done just yet. Would be really nice if the Rams could get Baker on a short extension and have a quality QB1&2, though no idea if he would entertain it.

Probably comes down to how he plays the rest of the way. If he plays really well then he probably has a good offer. But with this OL I don't know if he can keep up the heroics. Chances are his play will have dips so maybe it works out..

 

[dang]

Yeah I think the key for him is the Rams continuing to improve the protections and keeping the run game going. The balancing of the offense is a requirement with this line and Baker will turn it over if they go pass happy.

If those two things happen, though, then Baker should be able to give us a fighting chance in the remaining games.

Baker is arrogant, hot-headed, emotional, inspiring, energizing and fearless. All wrapped up in one. In other words he is the shot of adrenaline that the Rams sorely needed to make the remainder of this season a relevant cornerstone for next years season. McVay, Wagner, Ramsey, Donald, Akers, Skow, Tutu, Jefferson, Hav, Floyd, Gaines, etc. will be re-energized to make the most of what remains. Anyone who is able bodied and not reenergized is not long for this team. So it’s a wake up call to them. No playoffs but momentum for a brighter future.

 

[SWAdude]

Ever since Staffords second concussion with the spinal contusion I have been vocal about Stafford retiring. I respect those that think there is no chance. My money is by far the majority of us consider it a reasonable possibility. I am personally thinking it leans towards him retiring for family reasons alone.

So before Mayfield was on the radar I started thinking who could we get that would give us a new QB that we could get on board with. I honestly could not see one that could be available for us next year. Really didn't think Jimmy G-string would be welcomed by any of us. Then the football Gods gave us Baker Mayfield. Crappy situations in Cleveland and Carolina is why he is here today.

If there is a time to replace our QB, this may be the time. If Stafford gives us one more year and then retires we may not have this opportunity again. I really think Baker will get signed in the off season if this season goes well for him. And why won't it? His skill set is kind of designed for shit o-lines. Guy moves well in and outside the pocket. And he is young.

 

[blackbart]

Ever since Staffords second concussion with the spinal contusion I have been vocal about Stafford retiring. I respect those that think there is no chance. My money is by far the majority of us consider it a reasonable possibility. I am personally thinking it leans towards him retiring for family reasons alone.

So before Mayfield was on the radar I started thinking who could we get that would give us a new QB that we could get on board with. I honestly could not see one that could be available for us next year. Really didn't think Jimmy G-string would be welcomed by any of us. Then the football Gods gave us Baker Mayfield. Crappy situations in Cleveland and Carolina is why he is here today.

If there is a time to replace our QB, this may be the time. If Stafford gives us one more year and then retires we may not have this opportunity again. I really think Baker will get signed in the off season if this season goes well for him. And why won't it? His skill set is kind of designed for shit o-lines. Guy moves well in and outside the pocket. And he is young.

I know nothing about what is allowed with contracts but it seems like signing bonuses don’t count against the cap. If that is true couldn’t the Rams give Mayfield a huge bonus with next to nothing contract to fit him and still pay him well?

I have to think after the crap he has been through, Mayfield would love to stay in LA. The organization is obviously one that shoots for the championship and isn’t satisfied with the mediocre shit shows he’s been through in Cleveland and Carolina.

 

[dieterbrock]

I know nothing about what is allowed with contracts but it seems like signing bonuses don’t count against the cap. If that is true couldn’t the Rams give Mayfield a huge bonus with next to nothing contract to fit him and still pay him well?

Every dollar counts against the cap. Thing with signing bonus is that the hit to the cap is spread out over the contract.
So if they sign him to 5 year contract with a 25 mill signing bonus, the cap hit is 5 mill per year, in addition to his annual salary
Essentially they could figure a way to keep him for 2023 without too much of a cap hit in '23, but beyond that would be a stretch

 

[madrid311]

Ever since Staffords second concussion with the spinal contusion I have been vocal about Stafford retiring. I respect those that think there is no chance. My money is by far the majority of us consider it a reasonable possibility. I am personally thinking it leans towards him retiring for family reasons alone.

So before Mayfield was on the radar I started thinking who could we get that would give us a new QB that we could get on board with. I honestly could not see one that could be available for us next year. Really didn't think Jimmy G-string would be welcomed by any of us. Then the football Gods gave us Baker Mayfield. Crappy situations in Cleveland and Carolina is why he is here today.

If there is a time to replace our QB, this may be the time. If Stafford gives us one more year and then retires we may not have this opportunity again. I really think Baker will get signed in the off season if this season goes well for him. And why won't it? His skill set is kind of designed for shit o-lines. Guy moves well in and outside the pocket. And he is young.

I would think that given Staffords status of uncertainty going into next year that the opertunity to play with a good coach, system and team would be incentive for Baker to sign and stay. As a Back up realizing he will see games when Stafford gets smashed again. Then he can have a great opertunity to make money and possibly go to a superbowl. A no Brainer to me. Go rams.

 

[dieterbrock]

I would think that given Staffords status of uncertainty going into next year that the opertunity to play with a good coach, system and team would be incentive for Baker to sign and stay. As a Back up realizing he will see games when Stafford gets smashed again. Then he can have a great opertunity to make money and possibly go to a superbowl. A no Brainer to me. Go rams.

Can the Rams afford to spend 10-15 mill on a backup QB though? Thats the question

 

[ottoman89]

Can the Rams afford to spend 10-15 mill on a backup QB though? Thats the question

If there is concern that Stafford can't play a whole season or this may get worse for him and we have Super Bowl aspirations, can we afford NOT to?

 

[dieterbrock]

If there is concern that Stafford can't play a whole season or this may get worse for him and we have Super Bowl aspirations, can we afford NOT to?

There will be less expensive options for more legitimate backup QB than Wolford/Perkins. They've got to invest $$ in to protecting Stafford first and foremost.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I know nothing about what is allowed with contracts but it seems like signing bonuses don’t count against the cap.

Unfortunately, signing bonuses do count against the cap.

Paid to the player day one but pro-rated by the team for cap purposes.

Say I sign you to a five year contract and give you a $10M signing bonus. You get the $10M on signing but the cap hit for that bonus is spread out over the length of the contract.
10 divided by 5 = 2. So $2M against the cap for each of the next 5 years.

If I sign you for just two years but still pay a $10M signing bonus, you still get the same $10M at the same time. However, now the the cap hit is $5M per year for the next two years (10 divided by 2).

By the way, I’m sure you would be worth every penny!

 

[Malibu]

Ever since Staffords second concussion with the spinal contusion I have been vocal about Stafford retiring. I respect those that think there is no chance. My money is by far the majority of us consider it a reasonable possibility. I am personally thinking it leans towards him retiring for family reasons alone.

So before Mayfield was on the radar I started thinking who could we get that would give us a new QB that we could get on board with. I honestly could not see one that could be available for us next year. Really didn't think Jimmy G-string would be welcomed by any of us. Then the football Gods gave us Baker Mayfield. Crappy situations in Cleveland and Carolina is why he is here today.

If there is a time to replace our QB, this may be the time. If Stafford gives us one more year and then retires we may not have this opportunity again. I really think Baker will get signed in the off season if this season goes well for him. And why won't it? His skill set is kind of designed for shit o-lines. Guy moves well in and outside the pocket. And he is young.

I would take Brady, Lamar or Rodgers over Baker.

 

[dang]

I would think that given Staffords status of uncertainty going into next year that the opertunity to play with a good coach, system and team would be incentive for Baker to sign and stay. As a Back up realizing he will see games when Stafford gets smashed again. Then he can have a great opertunity to make money and possibly go to a superbowl. A no Brainer to me. Go rams.

As we learned with Von Miller and OBJ guaranteed $$$ talks. Everything else is a distant secondary consideration. Rams have 4 games to determine how good Baker is. They have all off-season to decide his worth to the team next year. There is no reason to bring Stafford back this year for multiple reasons but most importantly to let him heal. I could see Stafford playing next year or hanging it up after this year. The important thing for the Rams is to always have a solid plan B and a Plan C. They didn’t really have either this year at QB.

 

[Merlin]

Essentially they could figure a way to keep him for 2023 without too much of a cap hit in '23, but beyond that would be a stretch

Now that you mention it yes this seems to be the answer. Sign him to a backloaded deal. Hope they can find common ground there.

 

[SWAdude]

Unfortunately, signing bonuses do count against the cap.

Paid to the player day one but pro-rated by the team for cap purposes.

Say I sign you to a five year contract and give you a $10M signing bonus. You get the $10M on signing but the cap hit for that bonus is spread out over the length of the contract.
10 divided by 5 = 2. So $2M against the cap for each of the next 5 years.

If I sign you for just two years but still pay a $10M signing bonus, you still get the same $10M at the same time. However, now the the cap hit is $5M per year for the next two years (10 divided by 2).

By the way, I’m sure you would be worth every penny!

Very well laid out for us who are challenged with this cap business.

Often times these things are negotiated as well. I think it was Andrew Luck who refused to negotiate his bonus after his sudden retirement. It may not have been him but whoever it was I thought it was a dick move. As well as I would with Stafford everything considered.

 

[SWAdude]

I would take Brady, Lamar or Rodgers over Baker.

Lamar, yes.

The other two no way in hell.

 

[SWAdude]

Can the Rams afford to spend 10-15 mill on a backup QB though? Thats the question

Personally, I was thinking if things go well the next four games 3-5 mill range.

I can't see anyone giving him that 10-15 mill after a few games when he jumped from #3 with the dysfunctional Panthers to our current shit show.

I don't think there is enough time to wipe out that recent history.

I think he would stay for that money with the hope he will naturally be elevated to start in relative short order. I see Stafford gone in two years at the most if he isn't already gone in his mind.

 

[SWAdude]

As we learned with Von Miller and OBJ guaranteed $$$ talks. Everything else is a distant secondary consideration. Rams have 4 games to determine how good Baker is. They have all off-season to decide his worth to the team next year. There is no reason to bring Stafford back this year for multiple reasons but most importantly to let him heal. I could see Stafford playing next year or hanging it up after this year. The important thing for the Rams is to always have a solid plan B and a Plan C. They didn’t really have either this year at QB.

Most teams really do not. And if they do it is usually they are not paying much for plan A and not really confident it will certainly be their QB of the future.

Jimmy G-string was around cause no wanted to pony up the draft capital and salary commitment the whiners were wanting.

 

[payote75]

As much as I think baker loves it here love mcvay and may even feel like this is home I can't see him wasting more than 1 year as a back up. If Stafford goes 2 or 3 more years maybe if baker was 23 yes old but he won't be a back up until he is 30. Stafford would have to let his intentions be known like I'm going to retire after this year or next year but 2 years no way. I already want him here as a back up and maybe catch lightening in a bottle but asking for 2 years of back up no way. One year I can see him doing .... Stafford could get hurt he can also learn some from Stafford but I've always thought baker reminds me of Drew Brees and maybe Baker found his Sean Peyton aka Grinch bitch face