Mayfield and McVay

[fearsomefour]

Because everybody and their brother (and Mayfield) probably knew the Rams would claim him. The three teams below the Rams on the waiver claims ladder were Houston, Denver and Chicago. All 3 have QBs in place and don't need a QB controversy. The teams above the Rams in need of a QB? Any in playoff contention (SF, Washington) probably figured it would affect the locker room if they lost on the waiver claim. Atlanta, not really a contender, was another that comes to mind but how would a claim there affect Ridder? There are plenty of reasons not to put a claim in for Mayfield and many have nothing to do with him.

Who does Houston have in place?

 

[PARAM]

Who does Houston have in place?

Davis Mills......and a 1-10-1 record. What do they stand to gain by claiming him? 5 less games to evaluate Mills and UFA in 2023?

 

[fearsomefour]

If the Rams find a way to complete a transition from Goff to Stafford to Mayfield, it would be quite impressive.

One of the keys to McVay sticking around LA is having an Alpha type QB here. If that dries up he’s gone IMO.

The issue with Mayfield is if he plays very well there will be team ready to give him $17M a year (or whatever)....if not....if he plays badly then do the Rams keep him?
Best case for the Rams is Mayfield grows in the offense but doesn't play himself into a big money offer somewhere else.
Then, the Rams sign him to a couple year deal at decent back up QB money and see how it plays out. I think the odds of that are pretty slim to be honest.
The O was certainly better with him playing....Akers fumble and Sheltons bone headed personal foul removed at least 6 and maybe 10 likely points from the board.
It will be interesting to see how the offense progresses the rest of the year.

 

[fearsomefour]

Davis Mills......and a 1-10-1 record. What do they stand to gain by claiming him? 5 less games to evaluate Mills and UFA in 2023?

Yeah, the hard part for them would be getting Mayfield to want to go there.

 

[SWAdude]

Because everybody and their brother (and Mayfield) probably knew the Rams would claim him. The three teams below the Rams on the waiver claims ladder were Houston, Denver and Chicago. All 3 have QBs in place and don't need a QB controversy. The teams above the Rams in need of a QB? Any in playoff contention (SF, Washington) probably figured it would affect the locker room if they lost on the waiver claim. Atlanta, not really a contender, was another that comes to mind but how would a claim there affect Ridder? There are plenty of reasons not to put a claim in for Mayfield and many have nothing to do with him.

I personally believe that out of 32 teams if others felt that Mayfield was a starting QB and their team would be better with him on the roster or at least secure him for the potential next year they have a responsibility to put in their team for a shot. Doing otherwise is just plainly bad business.

One could not assume what another team is thinking and make such an egregious mistake for so little money. I certainly hope our team would not.

The truth is in front of all of us. Cleveland didn't think he was worth it and in the same year so did Carolina.

McVay is an ingredient in all of this. And Mayfield may not be a potential starter without him. And other teams may know that.

I think it is too difficult to be certain if Mayfield is a franchise player today and deserves that pay.

 

[dieterbrock]

If this is common knowledge, why on earth did no one but the Rams put a claim in for him at the bargain basement price of 1.3 mill?

Because there was no gain for the teams in front of the Rams and I think it was pretty obvious to the teams after the Rams that they would put in a claim.
I mean it was so obvious to Baker that he allegedly booked his flight to LA before knowing for sure they "won" the claim...

 

[dieterbrock]

I personally believe that out of 32 teams if others felt that Mayfield was a starting QB and their team would be better with him on the roster or at least secure him for the potential next year they have a responsibility to put in their team for a shot. Doing otherwise is just plainly bad business.

He isnt secured for next year, which is why there was little to gain for most teams.

 

[SWAdude]

Because there was no gain for the teams in front of the Rams and I think it was pretty obvious to the teams after the Rams that they would put in a claim.
I mean it was so obvious to Baker that he allegedly booked his flight to LA before knowing for sure they "won" the claim...

One does not do business in that way. What Mayfield felt and the responsibility of other teams GM's are apples and oranges.

It is so obvious to me that no one else put in the option because they did not want to waste 1.3 mill because they plainly did not want Baker.

 

[SWAdude]

He isnt secured for next year, which is why there was little to gain for most teams.

One certainly has the edge when they are in your locker room.

 

[dieterbrock]

Yeah, the hard part for them would be getting Mayfield to want to go there.

He's from Texas, so I imagine he'd have gone with no issue. Nothing to gain though for the Texans, Mills has been ok, no need to bring a guy in to rush in to play for the 4-5 games left.

 

[fearsomefour]

Yes dieterbrock !

Keeping the main thing the main thing!

Rams simply can not go into the 2023 season without being all in with serious reconstruction & beefing up this OL in any way it can with very few to no $$$ options available in UFA'cy.

The Rams OL fell into trouble before the 2nd preseason game. There is a real possibility the 2023 Ram OL will be much of the same personnel in 2023.

Fans remaining in the thought that the 35 yr old QB Stafford desires to return to try to resume his career after another spinal cord neck injury & try to remain healthy behind another Snead/ McVay/ Carberry 2022 OL version plan & zero running game is living in La La land IMO.

$63 million of the Rams salary dead cap funds $$$'s sitting on the injured reserve with #9.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPImdMknAO4

The problem is I don't see it happening in FA.
The Rams aren't (probably) going to give up a bunch of draft capital for a guy like Tunsil in a trade.
I don't see a lot of blue chippers in the FA market this coming offseason.
A guy like Nate Davis from the Titans or Risner from the Broncos could be added to help shore up a G spot (just as examples, haven't looked at scheme fit etc) that would run $6-9 million likely. I think either is an upgrade over Edwards but I think that is about what the Rams will be able to do in FA.
Resign the ERFA and RFA you want to keep, resign Gaines for $8M per add one FA OL, likely a G, resign Mayfield and call it an offseason besides the draft.

 

[dieterbrock]

One does not do business in that way. What Mayfield felt and the responsibility of other teams GM's are apples and oranges.

It is so obvious to me that no one else put in the option because they did not want to waste 1.3 mill because they plainly did not want Baker.

There is nothing to gain for most teams. What Mayfield accomplished is such an incredible anomaly, where the reality is that it "should" have taken 1-2 weeks minimum for him to step on the field. He's not helping any team at that point.
The Rams were the perfect storm for Baker

 

[fearsomefour]

He's from Texas, so I imagine he'd have gone with no issue. Nothing to gain though for the Texans, Mills has been ok, no need to bring a guy in to rush in to play for the 4-5 games left.

Mills hasn't been great but they aren't 1-10 because of him, I agree.
If he had time left on his contract I could see bringing him in to build around, but, there isn't.

 

[SWAdude]

There is nothing to gain for most teams. What Mayfield accomplished is such an incredible anomaly, where the reality is that it "should" have taken 1-2 weeks minimum for him to step on the field. He's not helping any team at that point.
The Rams were the perfect storm for Baker

You are kind of making my point.

If the Rams did not put in a claim, no one would have.

Other teams did not put in a claim because they did not want or feel the need for him.

 

[dieterbrock]

You are kind of making my point.

If the Rams did not put in a claim, no one would have.

Other teams did not put in a claim because they did not want or feel the need for him.

Again, I think it was pretty clear the Rams were claiming him. However the assertion that teams not putting in a claim is equivalent to teams not wanting him, I believe is a flawed theory. Had he cleared waivers, he could have signed with any team. That's a different ball game as a team could then be in a position to lock him up for longer than the 4 games left

 

[SWAdude]

Again, I think it was pretty clear the Rams were claiming him. However the assertion that teams not putting in a claim is equivalent to teams not wanting him, I believe is a flawed theory. Had he cleared waivers, he could have signed with any team. That's a different ball game as a team could then be in a position to lock him up for longer than the 4 games left

Again, for 10-15 million dollars a year?

Or 7-9 mill a year?

So your thinking is let him clear waivers, and then a team will sign him to a multi year deal worth 15 to 50 million dollars.

Just not seeing it brother.

 

[cvramsfan]

Just sign him now for a 2 yr deal before the season ends.

 

[payote75]

The problem is I don't see it happening in FA.
The Rams aren't (probably) going to give up a bunch of draft capital for a guy like Tunsil in a trade.
I don't see a lot of blue chippers in the FA market this coming offseason.
A guy like Nate Davis from the Titans or Risner from the Broncos could be added to help shore up a G spot (just as examples, haven't looked at scheme fit etc) that would run $6-9 million likely. I think either is an upgrade over Edwards but I think that is about what the Rams will be able to do in FA.
Resign the ERFA and RFA you want to keep, resign Gaines for $8M per add one FA OL, likely a G, resign Mayfield and call it an offseason besides the draft.

Sadly I don't believe it's about they won't or arent ...they have backed themselves into a corner no matter who the qb is but it happens to be Stafford. The single most important position on the field at least one of is the LT arguably. You cannot go into next season without a legit cornerstone for now and future and another season closer to free agency Tunsil may be a tick cheaper trade wise but if not they will have to pull a rabbit out there ass. This team will go nowhere without protection of the qb and at least a threat of a running game. So as I see it two bookends make it a bit easier for the rest of the o-line to come together with Bruss Shelton Allen etc. So I can't see a world where if they decide to ride this core they don't get a Tunsil or find a Big Whit type. Where I don't know.

 

[dieterbrock]

Again, for 10-15 million dollars a year?

Or 7-9 mill a year?

So your thinking is let him clear waivers, and then a team will sign him to a multi year deal worth 15 to 50 million dollars.

Just not seeing it brother.

You’re mixing conversations.
As a ufa in 2023 I can see him being paid 10-15 mill for 2023. No doubt. Especially if he plays at a high level in this system.
As for his only waiver claim being the Rams, it’s not an indication of teams desire (or lack thereof) for his services in 23, it’s more indicative of there isn’t a need to add a QB this late in the season for most teams.

 

[BonifayRam]

The problem is I don't see it happening in FA.
The Rams aren't (probably) going to give up a bunch of draft capital for a guy like Tunsil in a trade.
I don't see a lot of blue chippers in the FA market this coming offseason.
A guy like Nate Davis from the Titans or Risner from the Broncos could be added to help shore up a G spot (just as examples, haven't looked at scheme fit etc) that would run $6-9 million likely. I think either is an upgrade over Edwards but I think that is about what the Rams will be able to do in FA.
Resign the ERFA and RFA you want to keep, resign Gaines for $8M per add one FA OL, likely a G, resign Mayfield and call it an offseason besides the draft.

We agree here that UFA's OG's will be very difficult to land.

A Trade involving several of Rams 2023 3rd day selections for a scheme-fit OG with would be much more likely. A player-for-player trade swap is also a possibility involving only the WR unit.

If it were up to me I would move/go in two routes to acquire OL help in 2023 to blend in with 2023 contracted OL'ers: Havenstein, Shelton, Allen, Anchrum, Bruss along with the unknown status of Noteboom & Jackson.

A). Sigh a good amount of known 2022 contracted Ram OL'ers i.e. Brewer, Aboushi, Nsekhe, Skura, Edwards.

This above move will have zero effect on the Compensatory Draft Awards. These above-named OL'ers are well known to the Ram Coaches & the limitations of their skills. Most all should be low-cost additions. Ty Nsekhe would be in line to start @ LT. Brewer might contend to start @ LG. The rest of these IOL'ers would make up a veteran versatile reserve unit.

B). Utilize the 3rd day of the draft to secure 3 Ol'ers (OC/LT/LG).

A & B will provide an extra large number of low-cost OL'ers on the early 2023 TC roster. Rams are slated to be awarded 4 comp picks in 2023 (two 5ths/ 6th & 7th). Currently, Snead has three 6ths & two 7ths on the 3rd day. Add in the 2023 Comp awards & Snead will have NINE (9) 3rd-day selections.