Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[jrry32]

How good has the Cardinals team been with Prime Larry Fitzgerald before and after Kurt?

Are you comparing Stafford to players like Matt Leinart, Max Hall, John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, and the other bad QBs they had before Carson Palmer? I'm pretty confused by what point you're trying to make.

 

[OldSchool]

Are you comparing Stafford to players like Matt Leinart, Max Hall, John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, and the other bad QBs they had before Carson Palmer? I'm pretty confused by what point you're trying to make.

Sounded like he was comparing Stafford to a SB winner and MVP Warner

 

[tklongball]

Honest question here, not trying to stir up shit, but with all of the talk about Stafford being able to just throw it up to Megatron, I literally read all 83 pages, and didn't hear anyone talk about Watson just being able to throw it up to Hopkins.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

What does that have to do with anything?

I replied to Dieter’s reply to me. He stated the Patriots had no 100 yard rushers and still won. Basically citing that Brady was good without one. Using the Patriots example is out there because it’s a different scenario. We all know Brady is good. My point is that good players still elevate their QBs play wether it is a 1000 yard back or a hall of fame receiver.

So in essence Stafford is likely to have had better stats with a good running game.

 

[payote75]

Well, both can be right.

Could be that the coaches would be willing to entertain the idea, but the Rams called the folks who make those calls, the GB FO and they seem to have said an outright no.

So the Rams called and GB said no.

It's true the Rams "inquired" and it's true that GB will not trade the reigning MVP (I and everyone else assumes)

Overthinking it I am I know but the "perfect mystery" comment was out of nowhere almost makes you think he thought there was a chance lol.

 

[jrry32]

Sounded like he was comparing Stafford to a SB winner and MVP Warner

I would have assumed that, but he said before and after Kurt. Yeah, Kurt Warner is better than the shitty QBs the Cardinals had before and after him. I don't think anybody is seriously arguing that Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald transforms John Skelton into a good QB. The question is what that sort of talent can do for a guy who doesn't suck. And I think we'd all agree that the answer is "a lot."

 

[jrry32]

Honest question here, not trying to stir up shit, but with all of the talk about Stafford being able to just throw it up to Megatron, I literally read all 83 pages, and didn't hear anyone talk about Watson just being able to throw it up to Hopkins.

Watson had a monster year in 2020 without Hopkins.

 

[MadGoat]

Honest question here, not trying to stir up shit, but with all of the talk about Stafford being able to just throw it up to Megatron, I literally read all 83 pages, and didn't hear anyone talk about Watson just being able to throw it up to Hopkins.

I'm sure there were plenty of times Watson threw jump balls to Hopkins, but every time I watched the Texans it seemed like it was just Hopkins running 10 yard stop routes, pushing off his defender, and Watson locked in on him the whole way.

 

[tklongball]

Watson had a monster year in 2020 without Hopkins.

And Stafford has had some very good years without Megatron. That doesn't mean you can keep pointing at one and ignoring the other. I mean if one counts that much, certainly the other counts a little, right?

 

[tklongball]

I'm sure there were plenty of times Watson threw jump balls to Hopkins, but every time I watched the Texans it seemed like it was just Hopkins running 10 yard stop routes, pushing off his defender, and Watson locked in on him the whole way.

I think you are selling Hopkins a little short. He is arguably the best receiver in the game for the past several years.

 

[jrry32]

And Stafford has had some very good years without Megatron. That doesn't mean you can keep pointing at one and ignoring the other. I mean if one counts that much, certainly the other counts a little, right?

Nobody has said Stafford wasn't successful without Megatron.

 

[PhillyRam]

I simply don't understand the angst about 1st round picks. Look at the team Snead has built without a 1st round pick. Snead views 1st round picks simply as trade bait. If they indeed keep Stafford's contract the way it is, that will mean they have a targeted QB and Matt is simply a place holder. At best I see Stafford playing at a high level for 2-3 years. That is their SB window.

But IMO what this trade would seem to indicate that guys like Whitworth, Brockers and Havenstein probably become cap casualties. Their release will clear almost half of the cap overage. Also, Whitworth and Havenstein would have trade value to teams like the Chargers. The Rams already have the replacement players on the roster for all 3. Both are better than the current Charger starters. I also see them restructuring Donald's contract to clear cap for Floyd's signing. They could do likewise with Ramsey's contract to extend Williams.

True, but our 3 best defensive players were former first round picks...(Donald, Ramsey, Floyd).

Our best offensive player is also a first rounder (Stafford).

So at some point you need to add those cornerstone players and when they are young and on rookie contracts.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Seems to me that there are just some who bent over backwards in defense of Goff and/or didn't believe he would be traded who are just struggling with the idea that the organization agreed with many of the posters they argued against when it comes to Goff. I really wouldn't expect one to quickly come off a mountain they've been climbing for so long.

Maybe. I wanted the Rams to draft Goff. I have been behind him since he’s been here and most of the year. I stopped defending him towards the end even questioning if he processes too slowly. I defended Fisher for a while, and I defended Sam for a while.

At some point it’s better to give up the argument/ego and see what’s right in front of you. Recognize what the coach is doing on the sidelines. How’s he reacting. Even question if your interpretations of what you see could be interpreted another way.
But at the very least, if a person roots for a team he should ask, Do I root for a team or one player? I’d hate if Snead traded AD but I’d still be a Rams fan. It’s not as if I wasn't before AD was drafted.

It’s funny how so manyfans against this trade are the same people that have defended McVay. Why not trust his decision then?

 

[tklongball]

Nobody has said Stafford wasn't successful without Megatron.

I agree, I just keep seeing the fact that Megatron was with Det used to throw cold water on Stafford, yet no mention of Hopkins. I am personally super excited to see what the Rams can do next year. If you look back at my posts during Goff's time here, I have been one of his supporters. I am an eternal optimist, so I am looking forward to the future.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Are you comparing Stafford to players like Matt Leinart, Max Hall, John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, and the other bad QBs they had before Carson Palmer? I'm pretty confused by what point you're trying to make.

Sounded like he was comparing Stafford to a SB winner and MVP Warner

Larry Fitzgerald can elevate the play of a good QB but he didn’t make any of those guys that you named a franchise QB. It goes both ways. One hand washes the other.

 

[Memphis Ram]

True, but our 3 best defensive players were former first round picks...(Donald, Ramsey, Floyd).

Our best offensive player is also a first rounder (Stafford).

So at some point you need to add those cornerstone players and when they are young and on rookie contracts.

True.

But, so were Tavon Austin, Greg Robinson, & Jason Smith.

Sure, first rounders have a 5 year deal now but, the key is what the team does with the other selections since the player acquisition process doesn't end after the 1st round.

Now if they started trading all their picks for a player like Ditka did for Rickey Williams, then I'd be very concerned.

 

[PhillyRam]

True.

But, so were Tavon Austin, Greg Robinson, & Jason Smith.

Sure, first rounders have a 5 year deal now but, the key is what the team does with the other selections.

Now if they started trading all their picks for a player like Ditka did for Rickey Williams, then I'd be very concerned.

By that logic we shouldn't draft anyone if you expect failure.

In fact why trade for Stafford...it might fail. Could get hurt etc...

 

[Merlin]

I still cannot believe that the price was too rich for Snead.

It probably had to do with the 3 year limit on futures trades. Rams can't trade a first rounder this year so only had 2 they could offer. And obviously that's not enough for Watson.

This thread has gotten ridiculous. It’s like a bunch Old women wringing their hands and moaning and groaning about what may happen.

Agreed. And honestly I get the anger. I think there's a bias out there against Stafford, a kind of block in people's minds, that is similar to the block that people had with Goff which we have complained about for years. I had it too, the guy I had in my mind is completely different from the real guy on tape who was one of few bright spots on a poor roster in Detroit. After the trade I watched some of his film across some 2020 games and was so excited afterward that I couldn't sleep. Still slept like shit last night too.

Lot of the same people who are so angry would be over this shit already if it was Watson. But the issue here is moving Goff for a guy who is relatively close to him, and by that I mean they are statistically in the same group. Problem is the Goff that people have in their heads is not the Goff who just got traded. Now maybe he gets back to that and I think Jrry and others could end up being right. But either way his window here timed out, we all got different feels for why that happened, but it happened and we're gonna move on and watch Stafford slay it in this offense.

Seems to me that there are just some who bent over backwards in defense of Goff and/or didn't believe he would be traded who are just struggling with the idea that the organization agreed with many of the posters they argued against when it comes to Goff. I really wouldn't expect one to quickly come off a mountain they've been climbing for so long.

Without a doubt. People doubling and tripling down in defense of a guy who is a shadow of his two year ago self. Then they see the reality and can't process it.

It's gonna take more time. But not gonna lie I'm feeling right now like we're seeing an extended tantrum and it's tiring.

 

[12intheBox]

By that logic we shouldn't draft anyone if you expect failure.

In fact why trade for Stafford...it might fail. Could get hurt etc...

I think the point is that the draft is still a crapshoot.

Of course, injury can derail anyone - but we KNOW that Ramsey is elite. It’s not an educated guess like it is taking the #1 corner on Mel Kiper’s board.

We KNOW Stafford can play. Even Jacksonville, with the #1 pick overall, doesn’t have as sure of a thing.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Bottom line. If I can root for Billy Devanney, Steve Spagnoula, and Sam Bradford, Jeff Fisher, Case Keenum, and an endless string of lousy Rams, then I can root for Les Snead, Sean McVay and Matt Stafford.