Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[kurtfaulk]

Will Jared have to do it with Detroit’s shit show Oline?

Yes.

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[Mackeyser]

The rams did make a run at Aaron Rodgers Packers said they aren't trading him ...sam someone or other lol reporter on NFL network RT now.

Is there a link to a report? I'm curious about this...

 

[Loyal]

Yes.

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So we will see how both QB’s adapt. Regardless of who is at QB, we need some quality interior Olinemen from this draft, IMO...

 

[Merlin]

Not a link to Rodgers but a good read.

MMQB: Inside the Trade Negotiations That Gave Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay What They Wanted

How Matthew Stafford landed in L.A. and why he and his new Rams coach Sean McVay are excited.

www.si.com

 

[jrry32]

I think OregonRam is speaking of the sight test. Stafford never had the complete set of weapons that Goff has had since McVay got here. Stafford has had one thousand yard rusher since he’s been in the NFL, which is astounding and so the offense was only him. We will see a good test of how Goff does in Detroit and how well Stafford does with Jared’s team.

Yes, he did. The guy had one of the best redzone WRs of all time for a good chunk of his career and routinely had an outstanding group of weapons. The offense was not only him.

 

[Loyal]

Yes, he did. The guy had one of the best redzone WRs of all time for a good chunk of his career and routinely had an outstanding group of weapons. The offense was not only him.

C’mon jrr,y, who got Johnson the ball? Without a run gun game an offense is pretty one-dimensional as you well know.

 

[jrry32]

Man I'm sick of that explanation. Like as if the Rams thought the defense was gonna show them exactly what they were running before the snap. Give the coaches more credit than that. Makes them look like dumb fucks.

The oline got overpowered, that's it. Goff was shellshocked the first qtr and it affected him the rest of the way.

And 2 tds were still dropped in the endzone. Catch those balls and it was a different ball game.

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I get this is a Rams board. Goff is no longer a Ram. But man, the rationalizations, especially from very intelligent people, to now absolve McVay of all the offense's shortcomings and blame Goff is just disappointing. McVay got schooled by Belichick as badly as Goff did. Don't now decide that it was actually all Goff's fault.

 

[MachS]

I seen that it was a speculation a week(s) ago how this move all really got traction was Goff’s agent refused to restructure deal to a team friendly deal.

Haven’t seen 100% of everything out there to see if this is true but if it has any weight I’m sure I’ll come out this off-season sometimes.

As far as the cap haven’t looked into that, if we worked those 4 contracts we’d have a shot to get a Center and/or LB huh? I’d love that!

Check this out

 

[jrry32]

C’mon jrr,y, who got Johnson the ball? Without a run gun game an offense is pretty one-dimensional as you well know.

That's because Detroit built their offense around Stafford and the passing game. To sit here and say it was only Stafford is such a cop out. Our running game was shit in 2019. No self-respecting Rams fan would say our offense was "only Goff."

 

[kurtfaulk]

Sorry man. That's how it's playing out. Multiple defenders have said that. And when we had Wade, we rarely did disguises... not all defenses do. Wade's 3-4 is pretty simple and they force you to out-execute them.

The upside to those schemes is that you don't need defenders to be as quick to process and the pool of guys who can be successful in your system is broader.

NE has that issue with WRs in their offense. It's pretty complicated for WRs and they haven't drafted a single WR who earned a 2nd contract in 20 years. Every single WR who was successful was brought in from outside.

So not every defense does disguises on every play. We will be doing it more and more and that will govern our draft this year as any defenders we get, especially in the back 7 will have to have very high football IQs.

Anyway, after the Super Bowl, McVay tried and tried to simplify the playbook to remove those issues and while it sometimes worked, it didn't work far too often for his liking.

I understand that's what defenses did. But you're insinuating that the Rams offensive coaches didn't have a plan if they did change from what they were showing. I have a hard time believing that.

They would have told Goff look for this and that. But unfortunately it was a jail break almost every down. Rushers were onto Goff before he had a chance to survey the field.

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[MachS]

Kind of crazy we were able to get this done knowing these were the offers. Lions turned down pick 8 + a late rounder.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think all of the other teams in the NFC North should sending the Rams thank you gifts.

Where are the Packer, Bear and Viking fan donations to Staffold's charity? LOL

 

[Loyal]

That's because Detroit built their offense around Stafford and the passing game. To sit here and say it was only Stafford is such a cop out. Our running game was shit in 2019. No self-respecting Rams fan would say our offense was "only Goff."

They did that for Stafford because they had few other options. C’mon man, THEY had ONE thousand yard rusher since like 2008 or so. and what star OC did Stafford have? Or star HC with a coaching tree around the NFL? Like Bradford, the dude has had like 3 or more offenses to learn and none of them that good. I’m hopeful that McVay and Stafford will be a good marriage next year.

I liked Goff, my man, but McVay was responsible for a lot, good and bad.

 

[jrry32]

They did that for Stafford because they had few other options. C’mon man, THEY had ONE thousand yard rusher since like 2008 or so. and what star OC did Stafford have? Or star HC with a coaching tree around the NFL? Like Bradford, the dude has had like 3 or more offenses to learn and none of them that good. I’m hopeful that McVay and Stafford will be a good marriage next year.

I liked Goff, my man, but McVay was responsible for a lot, good and bad.

They did that for Stafford because that's how they felt they could achieve success. If you want to argue that McVay is better than Stafford's play-callers, I won't fight you on it. But when people start pretending Stafford didn't have talent around him and was carrying those offenses on his shoulders for over a decade, I am going to call it like I see it. The man had numerous teams with receiving talent as good or better than what Goff has had here.

 

[UKram]

These articals are nice , but Goff also lost to the 0-14 Jets

Woulda been nice if the number 1 coulda have stopped that jugganaut offense that the jets had

 

[Corbin]

The only thing I saw or heard about that was speculation from Colin Cowherd that had no foundation beyond him saying, "I bet this is what it is"

However, there are multiple sourced articles that go into the exact whys and wheres of the McVay/Goff relationship souring and when this likely finally took a turn (spoiler: the Seattle game seems to be the final straw)

Yeah you can tell by the time the Seattle game came around something was brewing.

Check this out

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That’s actually pretty incredible! Holy shit! We could actually round out this team for a run at a SB.

 

[Loyal]

They did that for Stafford because that's how they felt they could achieve success. If you want to argue that McVay is better than Stafford's play-callers, I won't fight you on it. But when people start pretending Stafford didn't have talent around him and was carrying those offenses on his shoulders for over a decade, I am going to call it like I see it. The man had numerous teams with receiving talent as good or better than what Goff has had here.

If an offense is one dimensional and the opposing defense knows it, how successful will that offense become over the course of a season? Talent alone, does not a team make.

 

[kurtfaulk]

If an offense is one dimensional and the opposing defense knows it, how successful will that offense become over the course of a season? Talent alone, does not a team make.

Ask Kurt Warner on the 2008 cardinals.

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[Merlin]

They did that for Stafford because that's how they felt they could achieve success. If you want to argue that McVay is better than Stafford's play-callers, I won't fight you on it. But when people start pretending Stafford didn't have talent around him and was carrying those offenses on his shoulders for over a decade, I am going to call it like I see it. The man had numerous teams with receiving talent as good or better than what Goff has had here.

I know you're still hurtin man but what I see when I watch him is where Goff should be. He reads quickly. Moves well in the pocket much better than I figured he would at his age, for some reason I had it in my mind he was a statue so that was a really pleasant surprise. And he has good vision, the no-look passes too demonstrate that.

This guy is going to do really well with McVay. I expect we'll see an offensive boost and we'll probably be in that top ten in scoring. Very likely IMO.

 

[jrry32]

If an offense is one dimensional and the opposing defense knows it, how successful will that offense become over the course of a season? Talent alone, does not a team make.

If you have a line and great receivers, your offense can be damn successful. And Stafford had those things plenty often in Detroit. He wasn't doing it by himself.

I know you're still hurtin man but what I see when I watch him is where Goff should be. He reads quickly. Moves well in the pocket much better than I figured he would at his age, for some reason I had it in my mind he was a statue so that was a really pleasant surprise. And he has good vision, the no-look passes too demonstrate that.

This guy is going to do really well with McVay. I expect we'll see an offensive boost and we'll probably be in that top ten in scoring. Very likely IMO.

I've watched the guy since he was at Georgia. He always struck me as a rich man's Cutler. All the arm talent in the world combined with too much streaky play. He's a gunslinger. He's fun to watch. But I don't trust him in the biggest moments. Regardless, none of this is relevant as to whether Stafford was doing it himself in Detroit. He wasn't. I'm still trying to convince myself on this deal. I don't know if I'll get there.