Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Merlin]

The Jourdan piece on The Athletic is excellent too. She does a really good job with some digging to nail shit down and goes into some details.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think being bald is a super power. Consider this:
Y.A. Tittle
Jason Statham
The Rock
Bruce Willis
Stone Cold Steve Austin
Samuel L Jackson

The list goes on and on. Bald guys are bad ass.

** George Costanza has entered the chat **
George Costanza: I WAS IN THE POOL! I WAS IN THE POOL!!!

 

[Loyal]

Poor Jared....

View: https://youtu.be/_tpfF_knz44

 

[Mackeyser]

A lot of things can happen in a year and a half. The world, and the people in it, isn't static. Maybe something changed with Goff as time went by. Again, we'd never know.

I'll link this article a few times as not everyone is mashing the refresh button on their browsers like a rat in a skinner box...

It explains SO MUCH about what changed.

Also says at the time that the contract was a mistake and why (the proposal is to just keep working with rookie QBs and use the money elsewhere, but most of the article is strictly focused on Goff)

Imho, even as they had issues with Goff early, they a) thought they could adjust and b) had faith that Goff would continue to grow and improve. A was blown up by the OL not recovering from the loss of Saffold and Sullivan and B was blown up because Goff not only didn't improve, but regressed.

How the Rams could (and should) have moved on from Jared Goff

The Rams tied themselves to quarterback Jared Goff. Touchdown Wire’s Doug Farrar explains why they shouldn’t have, and why they could have made history by not doing so.

touchdownwire.usatoday.com

 

[Mackeyser]

I'm sure somebody already posted this. But this makes me more disappointed:

View: https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1355958762679525376

I dunno what to make of that.

"There was a market" doesn't mean anything.

Was it a 4th and taking his contract or were we talking day 1 or day 2 picks?

Either way it's more of a forensic accounting thing at this point.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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View: https://twitter.com/QBsMVP/status/1356023501191311360?s=20


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[Corbin]

If we restructure AD and Ramsey, we free up more than enough to cover the cap losses.

If we also restructure Woods and Kupp, we have plenty of room to sign either a big FA or several mid-tier FAs.

And we have ZERO dead cap in 2022 now and we have $31M this year, so we still net positive with respect to the cap.

Been saying it even as I was wrong about which QB... the cap is NOT the issue...

I seen that it was a speculation a week(s) ago how this move all really got traction was Goff’s agent refused to restructure deal to a team friendly deal.

Haven’t seen 100% of everything out there to see if this is true but if it has any weight I’m sure I’ll come out this off-season sometimes.

As far as the cap haven’t looked into that, if we worked those 4 contracts we’d have a shot to get a Center and/or LB huh? I’d love that!

 

[Oregonram]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that our line is worse than the 2.5 second number would lead you to believe. And it’s not our line as a whole it’s mostly Blythe being THAT BAD. I believe it’s the reason our line ranks better than you’d expect and plays worse than the numbers. Overall as a unit ...not bad when healthy but when the center gives up pressure as quickly Blythe does it’s kinda irrelevant that whitworth pancakes his guy.

That being said the 2.5 number is pocket time and is not affected by roll outs. How do I know? I made the same mistake you did and was proven wrong. I figured I’d let ya know before one of these jerks try’s to rub your nose in it. The 2.5 is inflated because we run play action so much.

Stafford appears on film to be more accurate on roll outs and more decisive in tight window red zone throws than Goff

 

[Mackeyser]

It's also not the first time the offensive minded head coach put his support behind a QB and failed to develop him. Hell it's the third time in two years this coach signed an offensive player to a huge contract and then failed all three of those players.

That's just not true.

Gurley's knees went south faster than Sherman.

I think the org just couldn't take seeing Cooks take another concussion.

And Goff was figured out by defenses... not McVay...GOFF.

The Patriots went into the Super Bowl with one defensive look prior to the 15 seconds and would then motion into a completely different look and Goff was lost.

And that's been the book on him all along. This syncs with how the Rams would change pace, run a few hurry up plays and make headway... they weren't giving the defense a chance to disguise looks.

Should McVay have gone hurry up all the time? I dunno. That seemed to be a running theme of fans to ask for that every game, but maybe it's not tenable. I dunno. Anyway, I'm reposting the article in multiple posts as most folks aren't reading every post and it's very helpful in laying out what the issue was with Goff and it's written from just after he got that contract, so it's not a hindsight article...

How the Rams could (and should) have moved on from Jared Goff

The Rams tied themselves to quarterback Jared Goff. Touchdown Wire’s Doug Farrar explains why they shouldn’t have, and why they could have made history by not doing so.

touchdownwire.usatoday.com

 

[Mackeyser]

I seen that it was a speculation a week(s) ago how this move all really got traction was Goff’s agent refused to restructure deal to a team friendly deal.

Haven’t seen 100% of everything out there to see if this is true but if it has any weight I’m sure I’ll come out this off-season sometimes.

As far as the cap haven’t looked into that, if we worked those 4 contracts we’d have a shot to get a Center and/or LB huh? I’d love that!

The only thing I saw or heard about that was speculation from Colin Cowherd that had no foundation beyond him saying, "I bet this is what it is"

However, there are multiple sourced articles that go into the exact whys and wheres of the McVay/Goff relationship souring and when this likely finally took a turn (spoiler: the Seattle game seems to be the final straw)

 

[Oregonram]

Watched the first game against Chicago last year and Stafford so reminds me of Goff but with more mobility.

In addition Stafford does have much more arm strength than Goff.

I think Goff has a tad more accuracy than Stafford. Stafford missed a couple of easy throws.

Stafford also can make critical mistakes like Goff - at least in that game.

He had the lead and the ball with a few minutes left and threw a very unwise pass that got intercepted by Chicago that led to the win for Chicago.

Goff at least in the second half of games was really good at protecting the ball when he had the lead.

However, Stafford did lead a drive that should have won the game but like Goff had the receiver drop a sure TD pass.

Highlights only show so much. You have to watch the games to really get a good impression on a QB.

I will hold back on saying anything more about this trade until I watch all of last season.

Will take quite awhile lol.

Stafford also appears to be more decisive and confident in red zone throws than Goff.

 

[Mackeyser]

In fairness, that was late-night brain. 150K a year *in perpetuity* isn't what I was trying to convey, but I was pretty worn out and not thinking clearly. Should have been clearer that it was 150K a year on a shorter pay-down schedule than the 10 year plan they were offering.

Still, must be nice.

Told the wife the ONE thing I'd consider splurging on if I won one the billion dollar megamillions is a suite/luxury box at SoFi.

 

[jrry32]

Stafford also appears to be more decisive and confident in red zone throws than Goff.

Redzone Passer Rating (Career)
Goff - 102.7
Stafford - 90.5

Redzone TD:Int Ratio (Career)
Goff - 20.75:1
Stafford - 9.65:1

 

[kurtfaulk]

And Goff was figured out by defenses... not McVay...GOFF.

The Patriots went into the Super Bowl with one defensive look prior to the 15 seconds and would then motion into a completely different look and Goff was lost.

Man I'm sick of that explanation. Like as if the Rams thought the defense was gonna show them exactly what they were running before the snap. Give the coaches more credit than that. Makes them look like dumb fucks.

The oline got overpowered, that's it. Goff was shellshocked the first qtr and it affected him the rest of the way.

And 2 tds were still dropped in the endzone. Catch those balls and it was a different ball game.

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[Loyal]

Redzone Passer Rating (Career)
Goff - 102.7
Stafford - 90.5

Redzone TD:Int Ratio (Career)
Goff - 20.75:1
Stafford - 9.65:1

I think OregonRam is speaking of the sight test. Stafford never had the complete set of weapons that Goff has had since McVay got here. Stafford has had one thousand yard rusher since he’s been in the NFL, which is astounding and so the offense was only him. We will see a good test of how Goff does in Detroit and how well Stafford does with Jared’s team.

 

[Mackeyser]

I am a Goff homer. I always looked at his play with rose colored glasses. With that said ever since the MIA game I have been sitting on the edge of my seat watching Rams games hoping Goff doesn’t f*** up when the offense was on the field. Relief when he didn’t and disbelief at what I was watching when he did. Not a good feeling. I concluded he had reached his ceiling in 2018 and with less than ideal surroundings would regress. I don’t know what we will get with Stafford but I was pretty sure what we had with with Goff. An average NFL QB with a propensity to turn the ball over. Pretty sure neither of these traits were satisfactory to McVay. NFL always demands “What are you doing for me now?”.

Yeah, this year as a fan was the most stressful for me bar none. Every game just affected me. I'd be excited to watch the D and just petrified to watch the O... very little excitement... mostly fear and worry.

That's not a great place to be as a fan...

Hoping the O starts dominating again and we can really bring it together on both sides of the ball...

 

[WestCoastRam]

The Jourdan piece on The Athletic is excellent too. She does a really good job with some digging to nail shit down and goes into some details.

Wait until you listen to her latest podcast...

 

[kurtfaulk]

I think OregonRam is speaking of the sight test. Stafford never had the complete set of weapons that Goff has had since McVay got here. Stafford has had one thousand yard rusher since he’s been in the NFL, which is astounding and so the offense was only him. We will see a good test of how Goff does in Detroit and how well Stafford does with Jared’s team.

Will stafford have to do it with Allen or Blythe at centre?

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[Loyal]

Will stafford have to do it with Allen or Blythe at centre?

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Will Jared have to do it with Detroit’s shit show Oline?

 

[Mackeyser]

Man I'm sick of that explanation. Like as if the Rams thought the defense was gonna show them exactly what they were running before the snap. Give the coaches more credit than that. Makes them look like dumb fucks.

The oline got overpowered, that's it. Goff was shellshocked the first qtr and it affected him the rest of the way.

And 2 tds were still dropped in the endzone. Catch those balls and it was a different ball game.

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Sorry man. That's how it's playing out. Multiple defenders have said that. And when we had Wade, we rarely did disguises... not all defenses do. Wade's 3-4 is pretty simple and they force you to out-execute them.

The upside to those schemes is that you don't need defenders to be as quick to process and the pool of guys who can be successful in your system is broader.

NE has that issue with WRs in their offense. It's pretty complicated for WRs and they haven't drafted a single WR who earned a 2nd contract in 20 years. Every single WR who was successful was brought in from outside.

So not every defense does disguises on every play. We will be doing it more and more and that will govern our draft this year as any defenders we get, especially in the back 7 will have to have very high football IQs.

Anyway, after the Super Bowl, McVay tried and tried to simplify the playbook to remove those issues and while it sometimes worked, it didn't work far too often for his liking.