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Kenny Galloday, Allen Robinson, Marvin Jones, or Nelson Agholar. My guess is we sign one of these guys. I know people want John Ross due to his track speed, but the guy just isnt a good WR. And he's literally been hurt every year. No thank you. Tavon Austin ran a 4.34 forty look how that worked out. Agholar would be a sneaky signing, he was 2nd in the NFL in yards per catch and wouldn't be as expensive as the others.
 

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Kenny Galloday, Allen Robinson, Marvin Jones, or Nelson Agholar. My guess is we sign one of these guys. I know people want John Ross due to his track speed, but the guy just isnt a good WR. And he's literally been hurt every year. No thank you. Tavon Austin ran a 4.34 forty look how that worked out. Agholar would be a sneaky signing, he was 2nd in the NFL in yards per catch and wouldn't be as expensive as the others.
Wait John Ross?? Are people really calling for him? Shit sign me for 20k ill add more value by making jokes in the locker room and not getting hurt
 

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Goff is expected to be a transition QB to get them o their next QB. After that he likely becomes another Bradford, unless he can fix what is holding him back. I don't think that what ails him is fixable.
I lean the other way and believe he will play well but its possible he can't improve as he turns 27, gets some new coaching, has something to prove and the Lions use the extra picks to give him a weapon or 2.

This just feels like a Rams story.
Stafford has 2 great seasons in LA, while Goff and the resurgent Lions, the red headed step children of the NFL, has a long successful career.

I could be and hope I am wrong.

I'm behind Stafford.
I've always thought he was a good QB with a great arm. Always found him easy to like and felt like he was wasted on that team.. but with the loss of so many key Rams figures taking different jobs, guys we know are highly respected, I just have an iffy feeling about this.
 

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Wait John Ross?? Are people really calling for him? Shit sign me for 20k ill add more value by making jokes in the locker room and not getting hurt

Yea I've seen a bunch of people bring him up lol. He's fast as fuck so I get it, but the dude can't stay healthy and isn't very good anyways. There's better deep threats available. I hope we grab Galloday but he might be a bit expensive. We'll see what happens. After drafting VJ in round 2 last year I think its more likely the deep threat comes via free agency and not the draft this off-season.
 

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I'm behind Stafford.
I've always thought he was a good QB with a great arm. Always found him easy to like and felt like he was wasted on that team

Yea he didnt have much help from the Lions over the years. And I think most people respect Stafford because of his arm talent. But the more you study him, the more you realize all the other things he does at a high level. His ability to process mentally and read a defense is great, but what really impresses me is his movement. In the pocket, its amazing how he feels pressure and extends plays with his legs, then makes huge off schedule throws.

Plus he's just a naturally confident dude with great leadership. A lof of people dont think that matters much, but at QB I think it really does. No offense to Goff, but he struggled in many of these areas, and once we see Stafford take this offense to a new level a lot more people will come around IMO.
 

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Lmao,love all these media sob stories feeling bad for Goff. The same media that labeled him a bust and continued to push that it was McVay that was the talent and not him for the last 4 seasons. Absolute trash just trying to start bullshit like always.

Going to the Lions is a sob story for any player.

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Yea I've seen a bunch of people bring him up lol. He's fast as fuck so I get it, but the dude can't stay healthy and isn't very good anyways. There's better deep threats available. I hope we grab Galloday but he might be a bit expensive. We'll see what happens. After drafting VJ in round 2 last year I think its more likely the deep threat comes via free agency and not the draft this off-season.
Well in short....John Ross doesn’t have a value....whoever wants him is living in a random sports center top 10 loop of some random time he scored a long td.

Out of the people you listed gimme Galloday or Jones based on whoever our franchise qb recommends (he should know)
 

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Yes.
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I also like Cole slaw on a hot dog.

Don't skimp on the dog.

I prefer Nathan's with a natural casing.

Or..if you can find them.
Hoffy Hollywood with natural casing.
The natural casing is a must. Hoffy dogs are easy to find. The ones with the natural casing aren't.
If you can find the right one, you'll be surprised how darn good this dog is.
Great flavor, spice and snap. It's tough to beat.

I prefer buffalo dogs. Had one at a pow wow and I was blown away. NO condiments, just meat and bun... was fantastic. Also had some fry bread which knocked my socks off.

Great... now I wanna go pig out at a pow wow...
 

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Waited for the shock to drop off before posting. Overall, I think the player swap itself is an upgrade if Goff never progresses farther. Obviously, time will tell on this. I'm a Goff fan and I felt like he could develop further but it was pretty obvious that McVay lost trust in him the last two seasons. The offense was diminished to help Goff reduce turnovers and be more of a game manager than a game winning QB. With our defense it worked most of the time this season but obviously had terrible results in other games. But you could tell McVay was not happy deploying the offense he was forced to deploy the last couple of seasons. That was obvious when he let loose when Wolford played. While scoring was light for various reasons in that Cardinals game it was blatantly obvious that McVay had far more trust in his backup QB to sling it downfield than he did his starter.

With this trade McVay gets the type of QB he wants. The big question will be if he can stay healthy. But I am excited to see Stafford in McVay's preferred offense. Higbee is going to get some serious yards going forward I think.

Where this trade gets frustrating is the contract we gave Goff two September's ago. I understand the FO is not afraid of the salary cap. They know how to manipulate it and account for mistakes down the road but you can't help but wonder the type of players they would be able to keep this offseason if they hadn't jumped the gun on it. I appreciate the ability to weather storms like this but am frustrated by the constant signings and immediately dumping of players after one year.

Well, there's this to consider.

We didn't know Stafford or any legit vet QB would be available and look at the terrible place Dallas is in. Dalton's not the answer and the only way they reconcile with Prescott is to pay him more than Watson now...

And compared to what Watson and Mahomes got, had Goff worked out, it turns out to be pretty reasonable.

Almost any contract of any length can look bad if the player doesn't perform after signing.

Albert Haynesworth's $100M contract was a disaster.

Aaron Donald's contract looks to be worth it and then some.

Granted, not remotely the same player, but still.

Also, think of this... had Stafford not been available... what would we do with the current situation? We wouldn't want to restructure Goff... that would only prolong the pain... and having $34M sitting on the bench even for a year would cause problems for everyone.

Anyway, something to consider.
 

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I agree! Honestly I feel like if we had a better center we wouldn’t be having this discussion in College Goff was a natural of “climbing the ladder” but Everytime he stepped up he was getting popped in the face I think that did the most damage to his progression then anything
I agree 100% on this. However, that's why I thought Goff was fixable since if he got a center, he would start to trust the middle of the line again.
 

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I prefer buffalo dogs. Had one at a pow wow and I was blown away. NO condiments, just meat and bun... was fantastic. Also had some fry bread which knocked my socks off.

Great... now I wanna go pig out at a pow wow...
Buffalo burgers are awesome too
 

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Unfortunately based on what I have been reading, we are in worst cap hell that we were in before this trade for next year.

I just don't see any possibility in retaining Flory or Johnson.

I have been wrong before so hopefully I am wrong again this time.

I did not think we were going to sign Stafford since he is getting up there in age and has a hurt back and is at best just slightly better than Goff with his passes.

If we restructure AD and Ramsey, we free up more than enough to cover the cap losses.

If we also restructure Woods and Kupp, we have plenty of room to sign either a big FA or several mid-tier FAs.

And we have ZERO dead cap in 2022 now and we have $31M this year, so we still net positive with respect to the cap.

Been saying it even as I was wrong about which QB... the cap is NOT the issue...
 

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Why all the drops tho? He had Megatron for a lot of those years too.

Were the other Detroit receivers just that bad?

Couple of issues.

1) lots of rookies.
2) Stafford can put some mustard on it. Ask any of Favre's receivers... it takes some adjustment
3) yeah, some of them were either bad or terribly inconsistent... Eric Ebron was a TE for them that was maddeningly inconsistent... Think Jared Cook X3...
 

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Yea I've seen a bunch of people bring him up lol. He's fast as fuck so I get it, but the dude can't stay healthy and isn't very good anyways. There's better deep threats available. I hope we grab Galloday but he might be a bit expensive. We'll see what happens. After drafting VJ in round 2 last year I think its more likely the deep threat comes via free agency and not the draft this off-season.

Trading for Stafford, as many have said, is because McVay thinks they have a championship roster. So, if they can swing a few restructuring deals, then it would stand to reason that they would try to fill their biggest needs through free agency. I still think deep threat and Center are the two biggest needs. Then they are free to take players yo fill future holes. Otherwise, picking a deep threat or center may still leave a hole. I have a sick feeling that they resign Blythe.
 

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Pretty crazy right. And still put up great numbers over the years. Now coming into the best situation and supporting cast he's ever had, I think he'll have some huuuge years for us.

The more digging that happens, the more wrong I realize I was about Stafford...

Which is amazing because if he can play like that here? Forget the sky... this offense will to...
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The more digging that happens, the more wrong I realize I was about Stafford...

Which is amazing because if he can play like that here? Forget the sky... this offense will to...
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So you’re on board now? Serious question. What changed your mind over the course of 12 hours?
 

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I love this trade. Stafford numbers will probably be some of his best of his career here.
We finally get to see Mcvays true offense as there will be no need for watering it down.
Steep price, but I have complete faith that Snead will keep the talent flowing.
Guess I need to go avatar shopping.



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One difference.

I actually don't think he'll have gaudy stats. McVay wants to own the TOP and use the run game.

The biggest difference we're likely to see is in our scoring and our offensive efficiency.

I expect to see VERY LARGE improvements in both of those areas...
 
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