Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Ellard80]

Joke? Don't jokes have to be funny? It wasn't funny the first time and you've told it four times now. How many times do you have to be unfunny before moving on?

moral high ground? okay, whatever.

Always figured that we didn't take shots at current Rams players, but I guess you got special rules just for you, so you got that going for you...

seriously what the fuck ever - thats not "taking a shot" Chill out.

You know why he has that name? - because he was on bad teams that were always behind... not really his fault.

Whats "funny" is your outrage over nothing

 

[tomas]

The real question here...... Is Stafford a tractor or a trailer???


Asking for a friend...

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[LARams_1963]

interesting piece about our first rounders.....

The Rams Never Have First Round Picks, So What?

The Los Angeles Rams traded Jared Goff and some picks for Matthew Stafford. They now have no first round picks until 2024. That sounds crazy, but what if it doe

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The Rams Never Have First-Round Picks, So What?
By Stephen Douglas | Jan 31, 2021, 10:34 AM EST

Sean McVay | Sean M. Haffey/Getty Images













The Los Angeles Rams traded Jared Goff and some picks for Matthew Stafford. They now have no first-round picks until 2024. That sounds crazy, but what if it doesn't matter?


The Rams are in a good, competitive division that has sent three different teams to the Super Bowl in the last decade. If they don't care about dead money and the salary cap, well, that's a good thing. The Rams haven't had a first-round pick since 2016 when they selected Goff. It seems universally accepted that Matthew Stafford is a superior quarterback to Jared Goff. Now they have Stafford on a reasonable contract for the next two seasons, while he's still in his early thirties. Combined with Goff's dead salary, that's basically what the Steelers are going to pay Ben Roethlisberger.

Doesn't sound so bad now, does it? Consider that if the Rams continue to be a playoff team, those first-round picks are somewhere in the 20's. If they win a playoff game (which Stafford never did in Detroit) then they move closer to second-round territory. Now, you may have heard this before, but Tom Brady was a sixth-round pick. Goff and Stafford were both #1 picks.

High draft picks don't matter if you don't get them right or properly build around them. You can trade up and get mid to late first-round picks. You can do anything you set your mind to and the Rams have set their mind to making the playoffs, which they have done in three of the last four seasons. They are 43-21 under Sean McVay.


The Rams picks that they traded away for veterans to help them compete turned into Zay Jones, Kaleb McGary, Isiah Wynn, and K'Lavon Chaisson. It's not like similar players to all those guys weren't available in the second round or later.

All an NFL franchise should aspire to do every season is compete. The Rams have done that. With Stafford, they stand to do it for the next couple of years. Ask any fan if they'd rather have a first-round pick or a team to root for in January. While the Rams may seem like they paid too much for Stafford, they got him. The Rams are doing what they need to do to remain competitive. When you compare that to what's happening somewhere like Houston, how can you not applaud it?

 

[Mister Sin]

Hey does Wolford give up his number or does Saffold take a different number wanting to put the past behind him?

I'm thinking Stafford gets his number.

 

[12intheBox]

I wonder if any older free agents in search of a ring will view us as the team to take their shot with now.

 

[majrleaged]

Well I am out.

 

[den-the-coach]

Absolutely.

Also, the way the team played when Wolford started against Arizona was a big tell for me.

So many key points in her article, some that settle debates we've have here.

Here are a few nuggets:

- She confirms the offense was changed for Goff, not the OL. It was supposed to reduce turnovers but that didn't happen.

- Sean McVay does not and did not want a short passing game. He wants more explosives. Again, he only changed to accommodate Goff.

- The Wolford start mattered. It wasn't that he played better but that he showed what was possible with a mobile QB who made good, quick decisions.

- Turns out McVay did have an issue with Goff's decision-making and processing speed. Quick decision making and processing speed are some of the qualities he appreciated about Wolford.

- McVay felt that Goff was holding the offense back. Not the OL, not the scheme.

- They did not feel that Goff was a QB that could get them through the gauntlet of tough playoff games and contend for Super Bowls every year. They felt what we did this year was pretty much the max.

- There was starting to be player frustration in the locker room in the 2nd half of the season due to Goff's underwhelming performance.

- Trading 1st round picks for established stars is a roster-building model that they have fully embraced.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Sorry I am just pissed off at the trade.

However, I still stand by my nickname of Blythe as The Matador

Sorry that is probably inappropriate too but dammit - it's funny (well at least to me).

The Matador?
thanks my man, I needed a good laugh this morning

its actually perfect

 

[Mackeyser]

seriously what the fuck ever - thats not "taking a shot" Chill out.

You know why he has that name? - because he was on bad teams that were always behind... not really his fault.

Whats "funny" is your outrage over nothing

What's funny is you defending an infantile and just plain dumb moniker.

There's an infinite number of ways to display displeasure with this trade.

Calling him Stat Padford?

yeah, that may be one of the dumbest...

But if the mods are okay with it...feel free.

some folks are content to remain silent...and others...

 

[12intheBox]

Well I am out.

Of what? You are no longer a fan?

 

[Memphis Ram]

View: https://twitter.com/RossTuckerPod/status/1354986580096802816

 

[tempests]

The Rams Never Have First-Round Picks, So What?
By Stephen Douglas | Jan 31, 2021, 10:34 AM EST


The Los Angeles Rams traded Jared Goff and some picks for Matthew Stafford. They now have no first-round picks until 2024. That sounds crazy, but what if it doesn't matter?

Well it does matter. Bringing back a 40 year old left tackle because we don't have his successor in place. Once again, the Rams have no long term answer at the QB position. Now, though, they have no first round picks the next three drafts. That compromises their ability to add depth and talent to their roster, one that might hold up if the injury bug bites us.

 

[OnceARam]

Stafford does not care that you don't like him.

You guys know I love Goff. But Stafford is a BETTER QB, and it's not even close.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Great points. And when you look at it compared to other recent blockbuster trades.. lets say the Jamaal Adams trade. We did VERY well.

Seattle got:
Jamal Adams 2022
4th-round pick

Jets got:
Bradley McDougald
2021 1st-round pick
2022 1st-round pick 2021
3rd-round pick

Essentially the exact same price they paid, yet we got a top-10 QB + offloaded Goff's terrible contract. Once people see Stafford play this will be looked at as a steal IMO. Plus you know McVay stuck it to SF and Shanahan who wanted Stafford bad, so that's like getting an extra pick back psychologically.

Great reference

For those upset about the Rams giving up two 1st rounders... Here are the Rams recent 1st round picks:

2009 Jason Smith
2010 Sam Bradford
2011 Robert Quinn
2012 Michael Brockers
2013 Tavon Austin + Alec Olgetree
2014 Greg Robinson + Aaron Donald
2015 Todd Gurley
2016 Jared Goff

Maybe Les has learned a lesson here. Proven commodities are more valuable than picks. Out of our last 10 1st round picks, SIX of them are misses. Four of them were completely useless (Smith, Bradford, Austin, Robinson) and two of them were average players (Ogletree, Goff). Add the fact that our 1st round picks will be late 1st rounders, it make sense to take the proven player.

Now lets look at our trades and FA signings:

Andrew Whitworth
Robert Woods
John Sulivan
Sammy Watkins
Brandin Cooks
Aqib Talib
Marcus Peters
Dante Fowler
Ndamukong Suh
Jalen Ramsey
Leonard Floyd
Matthew Stafford

Majority of the FA and trade signings made a MUCH bigger impact.

I always say that the proven top taken is worth more than the picks.

Interesting Rodrigue comment in Athletic Article

McVay’s decision to speak critically in public about Goff for the first time wasn’t just a sign of things to come, but also seemed to serve as a message to his locker room, where some frustration rippled during the latter half of the season — the message being that an underperforming player would not be coddled, regardless of that player’s status."

I asked her what she meant by this "frustration" and what it was based upon.

Does it not seem odd that the locker room was pretty muted in its support of Goff. Sure there were some comments that the players were fired up to see Goff take the field with his thumb after Wolford went down but I wonder if this is McVay sensing frustration within his team about Goff's play. I mean his comments and behavior don't make a lot of sense for someone who is so calculating but frustration within the locker room could shed some light on this.

I'm sure it affected the defense. You could see the disgust at three and outs against the Packers. They watch the games, I'm sure they see that Goff is not seeing open receivers. They talk to each other and coaches. I bet the number one defense in the league would have liked more support from the offense.

There is a big difference between trading a top 10 pick and one 10-20 or 21-32. Trading one after 20 isn't that big of a deal. Those picks are hit or miss and even then don't usually end up being franchise players.

Exactly. Especially if you consider that many first rounds only have 15 players that Snead would give a first round grade. Late first round picks are always 2nd tier or in bad drafts third tier graded players.

 

[tempests]

- They did not feel that Goff was a QB that could get them through the gauntlet of tough playoff games and contend for Super Bowls every year. They felt what we did this year was pretty much the max.

Geez louise, what were they thinking two years ago?

 

[SAK11]

This will be a great test to see if McVay is the offensive genius that many (including himself) think he is. He identified Goff as the weak link of this offense and made an aggressive move to get Stafford.

It's not the exact same, but it does remind me of when they traded Peters, and then traded for Ramsey while giving up 2 1sts. That's worked out well so far. They went from a good cb who made his share of mental mistakes, to an elite cb.

This one was harder to understand at first because many of us have grown attached to Goff. I know I had him and Stafford as similar-level QBs. Hopefully McVay is correct here. I understand his frustrations with Goff; we all watched the struggles against SF and Miami this year for example. And maybe getting out of Detroit will lead to Stafford putting up career best numbers.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Geez louise, what were they thinking two years ago?

My guess is that the thinking was that Goff would continue to improve. He didn't.

 

[Neil039]

Thankfully I quit Twitter over a month ago. Over social media.
I tell you all this because I would likely have been banned from Twitter after the news broke about the trade.

I have settled down. I am more upset that another Rams fan bet me a meal that Stafford would be the Rams QB. I called total BS, now I an anger hangover and a meal to buy.

 

[Da-Rock]

You mean the 7 games under that offensive genius Jeff fisher with rob boras as his OC .. yea right

That is EXACTLY my point! When you pick and choose how you see things you get opinion. I just stated all I needed to form mine was to see Goff under anyone else and then under McVay.

Simply put, Goff's Head Coach and Offensive coordinator couldn't get any better than McVay for his career.......and now he is in Detroit.

 

[den-the-coach]

Geez louise, what were they thinking two years ago?

Maybe, that they went as far as they could with him...It's tough especially when you have to pay a Quarterback, I guess they felt Goff would improve and the last two years, it just has not happened.