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Goff will never be as good of a football player as Stafford. Your opinion doesn't matter, all you need to do is listen to what coaches and NFL players say around the league. McVay just shipped Goff out of town, and that should say enough. I dont care how many wins each of their teams have had prior to 2021. Wins is not a QB stat it's such a ridiculous argument. But after this year your opinion of him will change because you've obviously not watched Stafford play football that much if at all.
Well its not just Goff. Over the next 5 yrs it's this...

It's team A, with 26 yr old Goff, two first round picks in 22' & 23' and a 3rd this yr.

vs

Team B w/ 33 yr old Stafford and no first round pick until 2024, and losing a 3rd this yr.

Not sure the latter configuration is a slam dunk to have the better future.
 

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Also does anyone understand why the Texans don't want to trade Watson ? He seems arched on not playing for them anymore and he has insane value right now. Are they being plain stupid and caught up in ego issues or is there a reasoning that makes sense here ?

He signed a contract 5 months ago, even after all of BOB's fuckups. The team shouldn't have to cave in to a players demands or grant him a trade just because he doesn't like how the team is going or he wasn't involved in FO decision making.
 

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He signed a contract 5 months ago, even after all of BOB's fuckups. The team shouldn't have to cave in to a players demands or grant him a trade just because he doesn't like how the team is going or he wasn't involved in FO decision making.
Although I'm with you in principle, he had enough concerns with the team direction that he insisted on a no-trade to have some control. He's now exercising that right. And the team signed that same contract giving him that right. So the argument works both ways.
 

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Goff will never be as good of a football player as Stafford. Your opinion doesn't matter, all you need to do is listen to what coaches and NFL players say around the league. McVay just shipped Goff out of town, and that should say enough. I dont care how many wins each of their teams have had prior to 2021. Wins is not a QB stat it's such a ridiculous argument. But after this year your opinion of him will change because you've obviously not watched Stafford play football that much if at all.
Reality is I have seen Ryan Fitzpatrick win more consequential games, upsets etc.. when playing for shitty teams/orgs than I can recall Stafford winning and I acknowledge that Fitzpatrick is not near the talent. So yeah, that bothers me a bit.
 

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Reality is I have seen Ryan Fitzpatrick win more consequential games, upsets etc.. when playing for shitty teams/orgs than I can recall Stafford winning and I acknowledge that Fitzpatrick is not near the talent. So yeah, that bothers me a bit.
In one season he had 8 game winning drives. While it may not be the flashy games, they're game winning drives.
 

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If you caught the Brad Holmes piece on the Rams drafting you can see that Snead feels they make their hay from rounds 2-5. They feel that in round one certain superlative traits of some players muddle the focus of going for exactly what they want. Would they like to have kept those picks? I'm sure they would, but I don't think that they feel the same way that you do about trading them away. Its more likely they wish they still had them in case another Baylor Ramsey situation came along.
The best players on this team now were first round draft picks, even the best players who left the team in the last couple of years were first round picks. Very good starters at certain positions like RB, offensive line, LB, e.g. can be found in the second and even third round. The rest are role players.
 

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He signed a contract 5 months ago, even after all of BOB's fuckups. The team shouldn't have to cave in to a players demands or grant him a trade just because he doesn't like how the team is going or he wasn't involved in FO decision making.
The "should" is irrelevant here for me. The guy doesn' want to play there anymore, and it seems the bridge is burnt. They have two choices :
- Say what you're saying "we shouldn't have to" bla bla, toxify things more, let it rot, make him lose a year, have him potentially lose value, have him sit the season, look like a franchise that isn't pro-players, make your roster angry about the situation, etc.
- Or say ok, this guy is worth a ton of picks right now, 6 teams are probably ready to sell their souls for him, lets trade him, let's rebuild this franchise from the ground with a lot of picks, let's turn a page.

Actually this is what I love most about McVay and Snead : the past doesn't matter, and they are right. All the people objecting to the Goff trade mentionning how many picks it cost to get him are wrong, this doesn't matter, it happened, it's over, you can't fix it. It's gambler's / sunk cost fallacy, Goff being expensive to get doesn't mean we should hang on to him longer. The past doesn't matter, all that matters is : right now what's the best thing to do.
The fact they signed Watson 5 month ago in itself is irrelevant, the question is : given the current conditions (including Watson's contract), what's the best course of action. Keeping him doesn't seem extremely healthy for anyone at that point.
 

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What's your point in regards to a post 33 yr old Drew Brees, when he has not gotten further than this team has over the last 4 yrs?

If Stafford loses in the divisional round most times with a NFCG loss thrown in somewhere, then this was a complete failure considering the price paid.
I'm so tired of hearing this line of thinking tbh.

Rams fans have gotten so spoiled lately, meanwhile I still have 2002-2016 scarred into my brain.

As long as we're competing for a Superbowl and playing meaningful football in January every year, I'm happy. The determination of if this trade was a success or not is going to be completely subjective no matter what happens.

And in my completely subjective opinion, if this trade gives us a better chance to win a SB than had we not made it, it's a success.

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I'm so tired of hearing this line of thinking tbh.

Rams fans have gotten so spoiled lately, meanwhile I still have 2002-2016 scarred into my brain.

As long as we're competing for a Superbowl and playing meaningful football in January every year, I'm happy. The determination of if this trade was a success or not is going to be completely subjective no matter what happens.

And in my completely subjective opinion, if this trade gives us a better chance to win a SB than had we not made it, it's a success.

You can miss me with the "if you're not first, you're last" Ricky Bobby BS

No lies detected
 

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Meh Truth is no one knows if we are better off. It’s just opinion that we are.
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In one season he had 8 game winning drives. While it may not be the flashy games, they're game winning drives.
Just curious what year was that? I honestly don't know and don't feel like looking it up. Hopefully it was recent.
 

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I'm so tired of hearing this line of thinking tbh.

Rams fans have gotten so spoiled lately, meanwhile I still have 2002-2016 scarred into my brain.

As long as we're competing for a Superbowl and playing meaningful football in January every year, I'm happy. The determination of if this trade was a success or not is going to be completely subjective no matter what happens.

And in my completely subjective opinion, if this trade gives us a better chance to win a SB than had we not made it, it's a success.

You can miss me with the "if you're not first, you're last" Ricky Bobby BS
They have been playing meaningful football in January. By your own logic there is a real chance under Stafford that the "meaningful football" window will be much shorter due to his age and lack of picks.

So now what?
 

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Just curious what year was that? I honestly don't know and don't feel like looking it up. Hopefully it was recent.
2016. Feel free to do some research before passing your opinion off as fact. Youtube and Google are very educational resources.
 

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You know what is more impressive stat for a QB... 37-0 when leading at halftime.

Not blowing leads playing hero ball.
The Rams were 37-0 when leading at half man. Football is a 22 man game lol same goes for all reverse arguments for Stafford concerning W/L
 

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They have been playing meaningful football in January. By your own logic there is a real chance under Stafford that the "meaningful football" window will be much shorter due to his age and lack of picks.

So now what?
They didn't last year and almost didn't this year. And I don't think anyone actually had confidence they'd go all the way with how Goff was playing, broken thumb or not. Something drastic had to be done in order to have more than a fighter's chance against teams like GB, TB, and the Saints. Something drastic happened.
 

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Last 10 years the Lions have averaged around 16 in PPG on O and around 20th on D. It'll be exciting to see what he does with an Great D, and a good running game behind him.
 
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