Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Tano]

Well, technically Goff is 37-2 with a lead at halftime, 37-0 with McVay....

That year with Fisher never happened man - it’s all in your imagination

 

[RamFan503]

Although I'm with you in principle, he had enough concerns with the team direction that he insisted on a no-trade to have some control. He's now exercising that right. And the team signed that same contract giving him that right. So the argument works both ways.

I'm not defending their organization but I fail to see how a no trade means what you are saying here. It means he can't be traded without his consent as to where it is. That is the only right it gives him.

A no trade doesn't mean that a player has concerns about the organization - not that the Texans haven't given him pause. Do Mahomes, Brees, Wilson, Brady, etc... have concerns about their organizations? Do they get to determine who gets interviewed for coaching positions? What makes Watson an expert in this area?

He signed that contract while BOB was still there. So on one hand, you could very well be right. On the other hand, he signed that contract when BOB was still there. He had to have concerns after that Hopkins trade - but he signed anyway.

So now someone has to not only eat that contract but give up multiple #1s and probably more. Orrrrrr the Houston organization plays hardball when they don't like the offers and further create a crappy environment. I personally don't feel sorry for either the organization OR Watson.

 

[ottoman89]

Cowherd just said that the 9ers were hard after Stafford and were "not happy" when we did.

People are also thinking the 9ers are more trapped than the Rams were with Goff.

Said no one really wants Janeane Garrafaolo.

So, the Rams just keep winning this thing.

Love it.

Fuck the 9ers!

 

[ottoman89]

Another thing, not sure when the stat was from but at one point, Stafford had 20 GW drives, out of 24 chances.

That's clutch

 

[dieterbrock]

He signed a contract 5 months ago, even after all of BOB's fuckups. The team shouldn't have to cave in to a players demands or grant him a trade just because he doesn't like how the team is going or he wasn't involved in FO decision making.

The team had committed to Watson that he would be included in the hiring process, that his input would be a part of.
And then they didnt include him, hired a guy he doesnt like and wouldnt interview the coach he suggested for HC.
Its totally understandable from his POV
They commited to include him and then didnt.
Its not like he was making demands that werent warranted

 

[Loyal]

Cowherd just said that the 9ers were hard after Stafford and were "not happy" when we did.

People are also thinking the 9ers are more trapped than the Rams were with Goff.

Said no one really wants Janeane Garrafaolo.

So, the Rams just keep winning this thing.

Love it.

Fuck the 9ers!

AND they are going after Cousins like a drowning man is after a piece of floating luggage in the Atlantic....and the water is cold as Lake Erie in January....lol

 

[OldSchool]

I'm not defending their organization but I fail to see how a no trade means what you are saying here. It means he can't be traded without his consent as to where it is. That is the only right it gives him.

A no trade doesn't mean that a player has concerns about the organization - not that the Texans haven't given him pause. Do Mahomes, Brees, Wilson, Brady, etc... have concerns about their organizations? Do they get to determine who gets interviewed for coaching positions? What makes Watson an expert in this area?

He signed that contract while BOB was still there. So on one hand, you could very well be right. On the other hand, he signed that contract when BOB was still there. He had to have concerns after that Hopkins trade - but he signed anyway.

So now someone has to not only eat that contract but give up multiple #1s and probably more. Orrrrrr the Houston organization plays hardball when they don't like the offers and further create a crappy environment. I personally don't feel sorry for either the organization OR Watson.

Eric Dickerson is claiming when the Rams asked about Watson they were told Donald Ramsey two firsts and two seconds. Don‘t know the validity of this but yeah if that’s their asking point Watson is either a Texan or sitting out not getting paid.

 

[Mackeyser]

Well would you take Archie Manning in 1981, after he was around 12 or so yrs, and your draft picks you traded ended costing you Johnnie Johnson, Eric Dickerson, and Irv Pankey?

BTW, Manning was on an expansion team who did not have the ability to use FA to get better quicker. They were terrible for yrs until they figured it out. He never had a Megatron or a Suh on D... Nothing.

Of course not. It was a different NFL then and not just due to a lack of FA.

In those days, the QB wasn't nearly as protected as they are now. Heck, even as recently as 2009 when Stafford had that epic moment as a rookie, the Cleveland DT purposefully landed his full weight on Stafford... and that wasn't just allowed, defenders were expected to really punish QBs.

So taking ANY QB after 12 years wouldn't be advisable. I wouldn't take Johnny Unitas after 12 years back then, let alone Archie Manning.

I think you're being disingenuous in order to be argumentative due to how much you disagree with this trade.

Your issues are with Snead and Demoff, not me.

 

[LA_vision]

Well its not just Goff. Over the next 5 yrs it's this...

It's team A, with 26 yr old Goff, two first round picks in 22' & 23' and a 3rd this yr.

vs

Team B w/ 33 yr old Stafford and no first round pick until 2024, and losing a 3rd this yr.

Not sure the latter configuration is a slam dunk to have the better future.

One team has McVay, the other has Dan Kneecap Campell.

I know who my money is on.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Well would you take Archie Manning in 1981, after he was around 12 or so yrs, and your draft picks you traded ended costing you Johnnie Johnson, Eric Dickerson, and Irv Pankey?

BTW, Manning was on an expansion team ... He never had a Megatron or a Suh on D... Nothing.

I think Pankey was a 2nd round pick.

And how dare you insult Danny Abramowicz and Joe Federspiel.

 

[Kevin]

Another thing, not sure when the stat was from but at one point, Stafford had 20 GW drives, out of 24 chances.

That's clutch

Not in the playoffs though

 

[Merlin]

Looking at Campbell's staff he has some intriguing hires going on.

For starters his defense is strong in secondary experience with Glenn as DC and stealing Pleasant from us as passing game lead. Glenn is a first time DC so the concern from there would be the front seven but Campbell brought in Wash for the DL and he's got some good experience as the run lead not to mention some DC himself. And on top of that he hired Dom Capers as a senior asst which ensures he's got enough expertise for those young coaches to pull from. I'd say the defensive staff is pretty good and looks like he avoided friend hires over there.

Offensively I like that he brought in Brunell as QB coach. I think that was Campbell's best hire. Brunell's a great guy and he'll connect well with Jared who is a QB who needs positive reinforcement IMO. Duce for RBs was really good too. Lynn I respect the hell out of, guy with great leadership even if he's not the most cutting edge OC.

I think he's doing a decent job with that first staff. Lot of folks think Dan Capper Campbell is garbage but in that interim look he had the players responded to him. It'll be fun to see how he does in that first season.

 

[RocknRam29]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wjdi8IX-0k

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Cowherd just said that the 9ers were hard after Stafford and were "not happy" when we did.

People are also thinking the 9ers are more trapped than the Rams were with Goff.

Said no one really wants Janeane Garrafaolo.

So, the Rams just keep winning this thing.

Love it.

Fuck the 9ers!

That’s why I was not only excited about the trade but also that Snead got it done before the Niners. Our team dictates the terms, instead of sitting back and letting other teams determine their path.

And screwing the Niners is always the best.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Goff talk starts around 5 min in. Robinson, FWIW is a really good NFL reporter and has broken a lot of stories. Interesting reporting on McVay/Goff and interesting take on what this means for McVay.

The whole thing is a great listen, goes into Shannahan and Jimmy G too.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5POJtZ13cY&feature=youtu.be

 

[Angry Ram]

Although I'm with you in principle, he had enough concerns with the team direction that he insisted on a no-trade to have some control. He's now exercising that right. And the team signed that same contract giving him that right. So the argument works both ways.

The team also has a right to not trade him. They can simply choose not to and that will be that.

The "should" is irrelevant here for me. The guy doesn' want to play there anymore, and it seems the bridge is burnt. They have two choices :
- Say what you're saying "we shouldn't have to" bla bla, toxify things more, let it rot, make him lose a year, have him potentially lose value, have him sit the season, look like a franchise that isn't pro-players, make your roster angry about the situation, etc.
- Or say ok, this guy is worth a ton of picks right now, 6 teams are probably ready to sell their souls for him, lets trade him, let's rebuild this franchise from the ground with a lot of picks, let's turn a page.

Oh believe me, I'm not saying the Texans are the model org for standing their ground on this. Both sides are acting like children, but I tend to lean toward the team more than a single player.

Deshaun knew damn well he was signing onto a team that had Cal and the Jesus Easterby tag team, and at the time expected to be coached by BOB.

Actually this is what I love most about McVay and Snead : the past doesn't matter, and they are right. All the people objecting to the Goff trade mentionning how many picks it cost to get him are wrong, this doesn't matter, it happened, it's over, you can't fix it. It's gambler's / sunk cost fallacy, Goff being expensive to get doesn't mean we should hang on to him longer. The past doesn't matter, all that matters is : right now what's the best thing to do.
The fact they signed Watson 5 month ago in itself is irrelevant, the question is : given the current conditions (including Watson's contract), what's the best course of action. Keeping him doesn't seem extremely healthy for anyone at that point.

The Rams and Texans situations are different. One has a great team with a QB that hit his ceiling, the other finished 4-12 and fired their coach after 4 games (deserved BTW). Ideally, Deshaun is part of the re-build because draft picks aren't a guarantee.

How can one team say fuck it, lets go get a QB (Rams or whoever does end up trading for Deshaun) and the other who gets laughed at expect by trading their lone asset into 22 year olds that may end up out of the league in 2 years?

The team had committed to Watson that he would be included in the hiring process, that his input would be a part of.
And then they didnt include him, hired a guy he doesnt like and wouldnt interview the coach he suggested for HC.
Its totally understandable from his POV
They commited to include him and then didnt.
Its not like he was making demands that werent warranted

Tough noogies man. It would be like my boss asking me my thoughts on a new hire, then proceeding to not hire them or bring in someone they wanted, and not take my advise. And yes this is a relevant example because I'm the senior most member in our work group after my boss of course. Ha.

Ultimately, GM and HC moves are made by the FO. Not a player. If you take a step back, a FO looks through the candidates and hires who they see fit. That's exactly how they did with Nick Caserio, and he was the one to identify a HC, which he did. It's exactly how a team should operate. But no, because people are hellbent on Deshauns feelers getting hurt he wasn't included and didn't hire Eric B., it's suddenly a circus. Not saying it isn't one, but I don't believe it's that much of a cluster. I'm just a casual fan of that team, so it's easier to see it from a different perspective.

 

[OldSchool]

I've seen this comment by dozens of Lions fans on various sites and always find it interesting the similarities.

You know what's funny, is Stafford followed that exact same pattern. After his 2011 season of 5000 yards, he started throwing a ton of picks. We brought in Joe Lombardi as OC and he started going to a ton of checkdowns for the next couple of seasons. Under Jim Bob Cooter, he started coming back to throwing downfield but it wasn't till the last two years with Bevell that he really started being aggressive downfield again.

 

[PhillyRam]

One team has McVay, the other has Dan Kneecap Campell.

I know who my money is on.

Team A and Team B are both the Rams.

One with Stafford, one with Goff

 

[PhillyRam]

Of course not. It was a different NFL then and not just due to a lack of FA.

In those days, the QB wasn't nearly as protected as they are now. Heck, even as recently as 2009 when Stafford had that epic moment as a rookie, the Cleveland DT purposefully landed his full weight on Stafford... and that wasn't just allowed, defenders were expected to really punish QBs.

So taking ANY QB after 12 years wouldn't be advisable. I wouldn't take Johnny Unitas after 12 years back then, let alone Archie Manning.

I think you're being disingenuous in order to be argumentative due to how much you disagree with this trade.

Your issues are with Snead and Demoff, not me.

Not every player is the same.

See Andrew Luck.

Honestly Stafford's moxie and willingness to take hits to make plays...while admirable, scares the hell out of me.

Brady doesn't to do that. He lives to play the next play. While Stafford hasn't missed a ton of time, he has had his play affected from playing hurt...a lot. Might explain why he hasn't elevated his team that often.

 

[payote75]

Cowherd just said that the 9ers were hard after Stafford and were "not happy" when we did.

People are also thinking the 9ers are more trapped than the Rams were with Goff.

Said no one really wants Janeane Garrafaolo.

So, the Rams just keep winning this thing.

Love it.

Fuck the 9ers!

I'm sorry I hope they don't but if I'm the whiners I start offer with Bosa and either next 3 1sts and a 2nd this year or Visa and this year's first next and other picks.