Kyren Williams future discussion

[ottoman89]

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[Merlin]

You may be out of luck with that request. McVay would draft Tattoo from Fantasy Island at HB if he could pass block.

Yes I realize that. I do this every year.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Kyren and all of our backs get ankle tackled by #25 or stopped by #26 on second level opportunity runs like this. 9 outta 10 times
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[Merlin]

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He's a stud. I know you recall this play vs Nebraska:


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Johnson and Hampton are Gurley sized and they're not athlete types they're good ass backs. I think this RB class is special, the depth of it across the board. Again if they run well I think we could possibly see 3 first round RBs this year.

For McVay how does he see either plugging into his offense though. Neither of them seem like his type, but maybe he's tired of the small backs by now.

 

[ottoman89]

He's a stud. I know you recall this play vs Nebraska:


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Johnson and Hampton are Gurley sized and they're not athlete types they're good ass backs. I think this RB class is special, the depth of it across the board. Again if they run well I think we could possibly see 3 first round RBs this year.

For McVay how does he see either plugging into his offense though. Neither of them seem like his type, but maybe he's tired of the small backs by now.

As I tweeted earlier.. you read my mind!


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[Corbin]

Just for comparison's sake:

Kyren had 5 fumbles over the regular season, losing 3.

Eric Dickerson had 78 fumbles over the course of his career.

His first four full seasons with the Rams, ED had 49 fumbles. That's averaging over 12 per season. (Not sure if that stat is "fumbles" or Fumbles lost" , but regardless, it's a fuck ton.)

Yeah, ED was a supremely talented player and the entire focus of the Rams' O. But man oh man, did he fumble a lot -- at double or triple the rate that Kyren does.

Are you shitting me? I never knew Eric was that bad at fumbling wtf?

 

[Merlin]

Are you shitting me? I never knew Eric was that bad at fumbling wtf?

Eric was our offense. The dude touched the ball damn near every play. This is why talking raw fumbles is worthless without the carry totals for reference.

 

[thirteen28]

I will say this for Kyren - he's definitely made the most of what he's got. If you compare him athletically with Cam Akers, he loses the comparison, and yet Kyren has produced far more than Akers can ever dream about. He's got great vision to find the openings, and is absolutely elite in pass pro - as good as any RB the Rams have ever had.

That being said, we know what Kyren's limits are and I'd like an upgrade at the position. We saw yesterday on the other side of the field what a plus RB can do for you. Aside from his own 44-yard TD run, Jalen Hurts was ass yesterday and they still won - pretty much because of Barkley. Take away either of his long runs and the Rams are getting ready for the NFCC.

 

[Merlin]

I will say this for Kyren - he's definitely made the most of what he's got. If you compare him athletically with Cam Akers, he loses the comparison, and yet Kyren has produced far more than Akers can ever dream about. He's got great vision to find the openings, and is absolutely elite in pass pro - as good as any RB the Rams have ever had.

That being said, we know what Kyren's limits are and I'd like an upgrade at the position. We saw yesterday on the other side of the field what a plus RB can do for you. Aside from his own 44-yard TD run, Jalen Hurts was ass yesterday and they still won - pretty much because of Barkley. Take away either of his long runs and the Rams are getting ready for the NFCC.

Kyren's a rotation back at this level. He is not the guy you want taking bell cow carries. He's the guy who comes in off the bench and fucks up your opponent while firing up his team.

 

[Classic Rams]

Are you shitting me? I never knew Eric was that bad at fumbling wtf?

Yeah he was a fumbler but one of the excuses was those forearm pads touching the ball could make it hard to fully grip. He usually led RBs in fumbles in the reg season.

Dickerson playoff turnovers:

1983 vs Cowboys: 0 fumbles
1983 vs Redskins: 0 fumbles
1984 vs Giants: 1 fumble
1985 vs Cowboys: 0 fumbles
1985 vs Bears: 2 fumbles
1986 vs Redskins: 3 fumbles

Nobody wanted him let go for fumbling though as far as I knew with no social media.

Yeah like Merlin said per carry ratio and it's not really a huge problem. But it was certainly an annoyance.

 

[thirteen28]

Kyren's a rotation back at this level. He is not the guy you want taking bell cow carries. He's the guy who comes in off the bench and fucks up your opponent while firing up his team.

Agree 100%.

Rotate him in once in a while, and maybe bring him in on obvious passing downs where he can deliver a block and sneak out of the backfield.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Would rather take Judkins or Henderson of Ohio State. Either one of them works, but I'd prefer Judkins for his overall athletic profile.

I haven't had a chance to review the running backs completely but I'm a huge fan of Judkins. Love his contact balance which to me is a must for any running back. I've been pretty good at predicting which running backs have done well the last few years. Maybe luck tho but maybe I just got a good eye for that position and my tingle power too hahahaha

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I'm confused. Do you want someone dynamic like Gibbs or a bigger back?

Gibbs is 5'9", 203 lbs. KW and Corum are bigger.

Need someone with juice period. Size is nice but some backs run bigger than their size.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I think you need a more dynamic back. Whether that's a big back in the Derrek Henry mold or Barkley mold, or a guy in the Gibbs mold. I know it's tough to find elite guys like that, I am just talking about poor man versions of those types.


Imagine if we would have signed Barkley or a Henry instead of spending that money on Jonah Jackson & Parkinson. They are probably still playing this year. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think they need to think a little differently, especially with an aging QB. Need a more explosive and reliable RB to take some of the workload off of Stafford.

And with it being an all in year, if they draft a RB high, I wouldn't necessarily throw Kyren away, he still could be a great asset as a 3rd down back and change of pace back. Or that role falls to Corum.

The more playmakers the better, I just want more of a difference maker at RB.

Shit I wanted Jacobs honestly. He'd been perfect too.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

How about we quit fooling around and get a weapon at RB? Use a first rounder and do it right.

If the Rams deem it so, I can't argue that. A blue chip running back turns a normal play into a TD.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Kyren does have elite vision, stamina, quick feet and pass blocking ability but everything else like speed, power, and ball security is just average. I still like him as the David Montgomery type back but we need a guy that strikes fear and makes teams load the box. The problem is we also have Corum who also is a similar back. So it will be interesting to see what McVay wants to do at the position next season as there are no bonafide stud Free Agents and I think there are other more important holes to fill at the top of the draft

He's no David Montgomery. Montgomery is more of a power type back to me.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I wanted to move up for Gibbs, badly. I value the running game more than you I guess and no Kyren with his fumble problem is not good enough. Nor is Kyren's lack of breakway speed, good enough. I want a healthy Todd Gurley and I am tired of settling for the guys in lower rounds who are missing those qualities. Just my opinion.

You and me both honestly. Would have depended on the cost though. Don't truly know how that would impact all the good picks we got from that draft though either.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

They won the division. If they had a healthy line to start the season, Kyren probably hits 1500 yards and maybe ends up with 16-18 rushing tds.
I want more speed on the offense... they need it.
It's simply about using resources right. I don't think that's the right use of a first rounder with the Rams current makeup.
Kyren is giving you at least second-round value out of a 6th rounder.. that's great.
You *need* to upgrade WR and Corner.. badly. We *want* a better RB.. but don't need one if Stafford is back.

Same thing.. just my opinion.

Well we could go after WR and or CB in free agency. Heard Marlon Humphrey may be available. Also as a out of left field suggestion for TE, Mark Andrews maybe a cap casualty. He'd be a bit over a year removed from his injury and he'd be a great vet TE addition.

 

[RamFanWA]

If the Rams deem it so, I can't argue that. A blue chip running back turns a normal play into a TD.

Yup. Ask Philly how that is working out for them...

 

[XXXIVwin]

Are you shitting me? I never knew Eric was that bad at fumbling wtf?

Those stats are accurate. However....

1. That stat of 78 fumbles is indeed TOTAL fumbles, not fumbles LOST. (The fumbles lost is slightly less, although I can't find a site that adds them all up easily.) Over on NFL.com I see ED's fumble splits by year. For example, in 1983 he had 13 fumbles, but "only" 10 lost, and in 1984 he had 14 fumbles, but "only" 9 lost.

2. The main thing... @OldSchool hit the nail on the head when he wrote: "It's also a different game these days. No back fumbles as much as ED did absolutely nobody does." RB's just fumbled a helluva a lot more in the 80's, I guess. A LOT more. Was just an accepted part of the game, I guess.

3. Eric was indeed a freak. Like Saquon but better. ED would get 5, 8, 12 yards so easily, consistently, from nothing, even with boxes stacked against him. And yeah, he had the afterburner to take it to the house on any carry.

To be honest... I was just hurting from our playoff loss, and wanted to defend Kyren. I think Kyren is a warrior and I'm sure he's beating himself up over the lost fumble, which did indeed come at a crucial time.

Overall I have mixed feelings about Kyren. I'm probably "pro-Kyren" more than most on here. To me, he seems like the engine that makes this offense go. He averaged 5.6 YPC carry yesterday, and most seem to take that for granted. I seem to remember that sometime in 2023 (when Kyren was out with an injury for several games) there were these stats comparing the Rams offense "with and without" Kyren, and it was like night and day... the offense ground to a halt without him.

But yeah, his fumbling is indeed a fucking problem. Of the top 20 or so RB's, looks like he had the most total fumbles with 5, whereas most other guys had 1 or 2 or 3.

I'd have to admit that bringing ED's fumbles into the equation doesn't make much sense. It was just a different era back in those days. And ED wasn't just the MVP of the Rams, he was their entire offense.