Kyren Williams future discussion

[OntarioRam]

Dickerson was before my time, but if Kyren could take it to the house on any snap like ED, his fumbling would be a lot easier to say "take the good with the bad" about!

 

[PhillyRam]

Dickerson was before my time, but if Kyren could take it to the house on any snap like ED, his fumbling would be a lot easier to say "take the good with the bad" about!

I don't think McVay trusted to give him a carry there at the end. They had plenty of time to mix in a run play once they were first down inside 15 with 1:20 left.

 

[OldSchool]

Just for comparison's sake:

Kyren had 5 fumbles over the regular season, losing 3.

Eric Dickerson had 78 fumbles over the course of his career.

His first four full seasons with the Rams, ED had 49 fumbles. That's averaging over 12 per season. (Not sure if that stat is "fumbles" or Fumbles lost" , but regardless, it's a fuck ton.)

Yeah, ED was a supremely talented player and the entire focus of the Rams' O. But man oh man, did he fumble a lot -- at double or triple the rate that Kyren does.

He also ran the ball as many times a year as Kyren has in 3 years. OK that's an exaggeration but not by a lot ED averaged 366 carries a year so far Kyren has 579 in basically 2 seasons.

 

[dieterbrock]

Losing 3-4 fumbles in a season isnt ideal, but its not necessarily terrible. But I'll be g-damned that every fumble he has is at a ridiculously important moment, and has been devastating to the team.

 

[PhillyRam]

Losing 3-4 fumbles in a season isnt ideal, but its not necessarily terrible. But I'll be g-damned that every fumble he has is at a ridiculously important moment, and has been devastating to the team.

It cost us the game today. I think without that history, I think he gets a carry on that last drive, once they had it inside the 15 with 1:20 left. Nevermind the first fumble that killed momentum.

I think a run there could have gotten us down inside the 7 or 8 yard line and give their defense something else to defend. However McVay seemed to trust Stafford more than to give it to Williams.

 

[thirteen28]

Just for comparison's sake:

Kyren had 5 fumbles over the regular season, losing 3.

Eric Dickerson had 78 fumbles over the course of his career.

His first four full seasons with the Rams, ED had 49 fumbles. That's averaging over 12 per season. (Not sure if that stat is "fumbles" or Fumbles lost" , but regardless, it's a fuck ton.)

Yeah, ED was a supremely talented player and the entire focus of the Rams' O. But man oh man, did he fumble a lot -- at double or triple the rate that Kyren does.

That’s true, and if Kyren was the threat of Dickerson I’d probably be more tolerant of his fumbles. He doesn’t have the same amount of wiggle room as ED.

 

[Merlin]

People saying to pay Kyren... The team has a year of control with him still. So have him play that out then look at it again after the 2025 season.

In the draft go get a RB mid to late rounds. That would give us a very nice backfield with Corum going into year two. We'd have a legit backfield three deep for 2025 and should be able to count on the run game.

 

[Merlin]

Maybe Jeanty from Idaho would work....

If he were to make it to 26 then sure I'd be fine with Jeanty. But that doesn't feel likely.

My RB desire this year is a goddamn fucking power back. Scattebo or Martinez plz.

 

[OldSchool]

It's also a different game these days. No back fumbles as much as ED did absolutely nobody does.

 

[thirteen28]

If he were to make it to 26 then sure I'd be fine with Jeanty. But that doesn't feel likely.

My RB desire this year is a goddamn fucking power back. Scattebo or Martinez plz.

I’d fucking love Scattebo in horns. He would be a meat tenderizer in the middle of an opponent’s D.

 

[RecklessRams]

I'm still keeping Kyren. 4 Eagles fumbles, right? And they the Eagles recovered all of them.

 

[Da-Rock]

McVay doesn't start RB much their first year unless they show advanced skills in Pass Blocking.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Problem is we won't pick until picks 90 and 100 in rd 3. So maybe a trade down in the 1st to get an extra 3rd, but as it stands now, a big gap between pick 26 and the end of rd 3. None of the top backs will be there, especially as teams seem to be prioritizing them again.

Dylan Sampson might be a name to watch along with Treyvyon Henderson. Neither of them are bell cows but both hit the home run ball. I could see those two in the third.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Dickerson was before my time, but if Kyren could take it to the house on any snap like ED, his fumbling would be a lot easier to say "take the good with the bad" about!

Exactly. Kyren isn’t special enough to put up with the fumbles. That’s was my point earlier.

 

[JBRam77]

Kyren does have elite vision, stamina, quick feet and pass blocking ability but everything else like speed, power, and ball security is just average. I still like him as the David Montgomery type back but we need a guy that strikes fear and makes teams load the box. The problem is we also have Corum who also is a similar back. So it will be interesting to see what McVay wants to do at the position next season as there are no bonafide stud Free Agents and I think there are other more important holes to fill at the top of the draft

 

[Kupped]

How about we quit fooling around and get a weapon at RB? Use a first rounder and do it right.

Depends on what's available.
The Rams have an excellent run game and Kyren is a very, very good running back. He's just not a true difference-maker. There's no guarantee you're getting a true upgrade in the first round. Saquon was an Uber-elite prospect.. Gibbs was pretty elite.. picked number 12... the Rams pick #26.

The Rams have more important and more urgent needs, imo. Another WR.. a Stud Corner are both at the top of the list. RB is behind those.. and tackle for me.

 

[DzRams]

Kyren does have elite vision, stamina, quick feet and pass blocking ability but everything else like speed, power, and ball security is just average. I still like him as the David Montgomery type back but we need a guy that strikes fear and makes teams load the box. The problem is we also have Corum who also is a similar back. So it will be interesting to see what McVay wants to do at the position next season as there are no bonafide stud Free Agents and I think there are other more important holes to fill at the top of the draft

A free agent who does have homerun ability is JK Dobbins from the Chargers.

He's got a pretty bad injury history but I'm wondering if gambling on him would be worth it if they're going all in for 2025. Due to his injury history he wouldn't cost much.

Maybe KW, Robbins, Corum, and a draftee would make a great RB committee.

 

[Loyal]

Depends on what's available.
The Rams have an excellent run game and Kyren is a very, very good running back. He's just not a true difference-maker. There's no guarantee you're getting a true upgrade in the first round. Saquon was an Uber-elite prospect.. Gibbs was pretty elite.. picked number 12... the Rams pick #26.

The Rams have more important and more urgent needs, imo. Another WR.. a Stud Corner are both at the top of the list. RB is behind those.. and tackle for me.

I wanted to move up for Gibbs, badly. I value the running game more than you I guess and no Kyren with his fumble problem is not good enough. Nor is Kyren's lack of breakway speed, good enough. I want a healthy Todd Gurley and I am tired of settling for the guys in lower rounds who are missing those qualities. Just my opinion.

 

[Kupped]

I wanted to move up for Gibbs, badly. I value the running game more than you I guess and no Kyren with his fumble problem is not good enough. Nor is Kyren's lack of breakway speed, good enough. I want a healthy Todd Gurley and I am tired of settling for the guys in lower rounds who are missing those qualities. Just my opinion.

They won the division. If they had a healthy line to start the season, Kyren probably hits 1500 yards and maybe ends up with 16-18 rushing tds.
I want more speed on the offense... they need it.
It's simply about using resources right. I don't think that's the right use of a first rounder with the Rams current makeup.
Kyren is giving you at least second-round value out of a 6th rounder.. that's great.
You *need* to upgrade WR and Corner.. badly. We *want* a better RB.. but don't need one if Stafford is back.

Same thing.. just my opinion.

 

[Kupped]

I wanted to move up for Gibbs, badly. I value the running game more than you I guess and no Kyren with his fumble problem is not good enough. Nor is Kyren's lack of breakway speed, good enough. I want a healthy Todd Gurley and I am tired of settling for the guys in lower rounds who are missing those qualities. Just my opinion.

Forgot to add..

How high would you have traded up? With what assets?