Kyren Williams future discussion

[OldSchool]

Save it. I do not think there are 10+ better backs in the NFL.
Keep the one we have and sign to a reasonable contract.

Curious how often somebody falls out of the top 5 or top 10 back. Is Kyren irreplaceable?

Are some of those backs the same now as they were in their 2nd or 3rd years?

It's funny though how a few get so offended when somebody says a RB is as good or better than KW.

As somebody who mocked him to us and defended the pick when a lot said he couldn't be an every down bsck I still love the guy and wouldn't be upset if he retires a Ram. It's not my money or my salary cap but I like the line of thought that roster building doesn't need a top 5 RB in pay to win a SB. These guys rise and fall yearly so droft backs regularly.

Kc won the last 2 with mediocre RBs.
Rams before that the same.
Tampa had a 2 way split with past their prime RBs
KC again
Cheaters with Michel was good but top 5 or 10 that year? Not even sure he was top 15.

Also for the record you look at the top 10 rushers just 2 years ago unless I missed someone there's only 2 left in this year's top 10. Do we need to stop acting like they can't be replaced?

 

[OldSchool]

Who would you take as RB for Rams next year if it were possible - Kyren or Jeanty?

Kyren with Corum #2 and a CB in the 1st. Then there are a out 10 RB I'd look at drafting round 3 and later.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Kyren with Corum #2 and a CB in the 1st. Then there are a out 10 RB I'd look at drafting round 3 and later.

You didn't answer the question bro lol..... I'm just giving you shit. Your response is more likely to happen then even getting a crack at Jeanty as that's a pipe dream on drugs hahaha. I'm thinking either CB or OT would be the first pick depending on how FA goes down.

 

[OldSchool]

You didn't answer the question bro lol..... I'm just giving you shit. Your response is more likely to happen then even getting a crack at Jeanty as that's a pipe dream on drugs hahaha. I'm thinking either CB or OT would be the first pick depending on how FA goes down.

I did though. Kyren is the answer, I just added more context

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I did though. Kyren is the answer, I just added more context

I see. I was only answering the question with very minimal context on picking a running back between Jeanty and Kyren. I don't think the choice between the 2 would ever even be considered since we have other areas of importance that need to be addressed. It would be different if we were a super stacked team all around which we are not.

 

[dieterbrock]

It's funny though how a few get so offended when somebody says a RB is as good or better than KW

It’s funny how people straw man to make a point.
Offended? Who’s offended?
Nah. I’m a Rams fan and support my teams players. When you look at run production over the last 2 years, yardage, TDs and 1st downs, Kyren is among the top backs. It’s just a fact.

 

[20hrswk]

It’s funny how people straw man to make a point.
Offended? Who’s offended?
Nah. I’m a Rams fan and support my teams players. When you look at run production over the last 2 years, yardage, TDs and 1st downs, Kyren is among the top backs. It’s just a fact.

I am a Rams fan through and through, but let's be realistic when talking about "our" players.

I understand everyone's take on Kyren, but what if he and Corum were splitting carries?

Kyren would then have 700 yards and 7 TDs?

With those numbers how would he be talked about?

Number of carries/touches matter when talking about yards gained and . . .
. . . yards gained is not necessarily a good way of determining the best RBs in the league

Yards per carry and the OL you play behind says something about a RB.

Kyren averages 4.1 yds per carry. That is 35th in the league.
He plays behind the 4th ranked run blocking OL in the league.

Kyren is a good RB and probably gets more out of his talent than 95% of RBs in the league, but . . .

 

[OldSchool]

It’s funny how people straw man to make a point.
Offended? Who’s offended?
Nah. I’m a Rams fan and support my teams players. When you look at run production over the last 2 years, yardage, TDs and 1st downs, Kyren is among the top backs. It’s just a fact.

Read the thread there are multiple comments that fit thmwhat I said. They're also many posts clearly upset that some are saying it may be better to let him walk. I'm creating no straw.en I'll leave that to others.

Funny though didn't you once in this thread say facts are facts or was that somebody else? Funny to that you didn't respond to the rest of my post just assumed when I said a few people that you were one of the few.

 

[dang]

2018 Gurley was an absolute monster until his injury. Kyren isn't that good. Not a knock on him. Gurley was playing at a near MVP level.

I’m projecting for remainder of season and prematurely comparing KWill this year to Gurley 2018 season.

 

[20hrswk]

I’m projecting for remainder of season and prematurely comparing KWill this year to Gurley 2018 season.

Kyren does not compare well at all with Gurley.

Gurley > Kyren.

Healthy Gurley this year would be 300 - 400 yards ahead of Kyren in rushing yards

. . . and would 2B his receiving yards.

Gurley was also a much better pass blocker.

 

[dang]

Kyren does not compare well at all with Gurley.

Gurley > Kyren.

Healthy Gurley this year would be 300 - 400 yards ahead of Kyren in rushing yards

. . . and would 2B his receiving yards.

Gurley was also a much better pass blocker.

You need to read the entire thread. Theres no question that peak Gurley was much better than KWill will ever be. The debate was whether there’s been a better Rams RB season since Gurleys 2017 season. Including Gurleys 2018 season where he (unfortunately) fell off the rails late.

 

[Tumak61]

Williams has been a true workhorse for the Rams and will end up with Dickerson like total carry numbers. Could end up with about 350 carries but that will depend on the hawk game meaning something. Rams usually reward that kind of production so I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams get a nice 2nd deal with most of it upfront so the team can have an out if his production declines.

 

[DzRams]

I see. I was only answering the question with very minimal context on picking a running back between Jeanty and Kyren. I don't think the choice between the 2 would ever even be considered since we have other areas of importance that need to be addressed. It would be different if we were a super stacked team all around which we are not.

McSnead often think differently about team building than fans do. They may feel that our biggest need is difference makers in which case a Jeanty could be in play.

I don't put anything past them anymore.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

McSnead often think differently about team building than fans do. They may feel that our biggest need is difference makers in which case a Jeanty could be in play.

I don't put anything past them anymore.

Honestly I'd be shocked if they did that as I can't imagine the draft capital they'd have to give up to pull that off. Talk about added pressure on a draft pick. I'd be stoked about the player but bummed about giving up the draft picks to do so. Ultimately all I'd end up doing is getting behind the move and hoping it works out as intended as there is nothing I or anyone else could do to change that if it did happen. This board would be hopping tho

 

[DzRams]

Honestly I'd be shocked if they did that as I can't imagine the draft capital they'd have to give up to pull that off. Talk about added pressure on a draft pick. I'd be stoked about the player but bummed about giving up the draft picks to do so. Ultimately all I'd end up doing is getting behind the move and hoping it works out as intended as there is nothing I or anyone else could do to change that if it did happen. This board would be hopping tho

It may be too soon to say where he'll go.

If it's in the 12th range, which is where Gibbs was drafted, it would probably cost similar to what they were willing to give to trade up for Bowers.

The trade chart says 23 and a '26 1st gets you to 12.

 

[jrry32]

Your welcome to your opinion but numbers don’t lie.

Numbers do lie. I will happily demonstrate. Stats over the past two seasons:
Tua Tagovailoa
679/959
70.8%
7491 passing yards
7.8 YPA
48 passing TDs
21 Ints
101.2 passer rating

Baker Mayfield
723/1072
67.4%
7964 passing yards
7.4 YPA
62 passing TDs
25 Ints
98.8 passer rating

Brock Purdy
581/864
67.2%
7767 passing yards
9.0 YPA
48 passing TDs
21 Ints
104.0 passer rating

Matthew Stafford
649/1006
64.5%
7538 passing yards
7.5 YPA
44 passing TDs
19 Ints
93.8 passer rating

If numbers don't lie, Stafford is the worst of these four QBs. Yet, I'd take Stafford over every single one of these other QBs for our game on Saturday. Wouldn't you?

Situational when it’s 1 season.
When it’s back to back, it’s skill

It's both, as I just said. Kyren is good at it, but it's situational. If you play for a crappy offense that rarely gets inside the five, you're going to have less TDs than a worse HB on a top offense that gets a lot of carries inside the five. If you have a HC who prefers to throw the ball or run the QB most of the time inside the five, you're going to have less running TDs than an equally good HB on an equally good offense whose coach prefers to run the ball with the HB inside the five.

It is a situational stat. Skill plays a role, but opportunity plays a bigger role. Gurley went from 6 total TDs in 2016 to 19 totals TD in 2017 and 21 total TDs in 2018 because our offense improved immensely under McVay, not because Gurley suddenly got better at scoring TDs.

Who would you take as RB for Rams next year if it were possible - Kyren or Jeanty?

We're unlikely to be in a position to draft Jeanty (and I'm not trading up for a HB in the first round), but I'd pick Jeanty. He reminds me of prime Marshawn Lynch. Incredible talent.

Kyren with Corum #2 and a CB in the 1st. Then there are a out 10 RB I'd look at drafting round 3 and later.

This is a great HB draft. There are some very intriguing guys on late Day 2 and Day 3. I'd grab one. Never hurts to have cheap HB depth, and it'll help to have options if Kyren's contract demands are more than we'll pay.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

It may be too soon to say where he'll go.

If it's in the 12th range, which is where Gibbs was drafted, it would probably cost similar to what they were willing to give to trade up for Bowers.

The trade chart says 23 and a '26 1st gets you to 12.

You could be correct but I can't imagine him dropping past the Cowboys plus we could have to trade even more if we do well in the playoffs. I just don't see them trading an extra first to get Jeanty. At the end of the day, it is Snead so nothing can truly be discounted lol.

 

[Memento]

Numbers do lie. I will happily demonstrate. Stats over the past two seasons:
Tua Tagovailoa
679/959
70.8%
7491 passing yards
7.8 YPA
48 passing TDs
21 Ints
101.2 passer rating

Baker Mayfield
723/1072
67.4%
7964 passing yards
7.4 YPA
62 passing TDs
25 Ints
98.8 passer rating

Brock Purdy
581/864
67.2%
7767 passing yards
9.0 YPA
48 passing TDs
21 Ints
104.0 passer rating

Matthew Stafford
649/1006
64.5%
7538 passing yards
7.5 YPA
44 passing TDs
19 Ints
93.8 passer rating

If numbers don't lie, Stafford is the worst of these four QBs. Yet, I'd take Stafford over every single one of these other QBs for our game on Saturday. Wouldn't you?

It's both, as I just said. Kyren is good at it, but it's situational. If you play for a crappy offense that rarely gets inside the five, you're going to have less TDs than a worse HB on a top offense that gets a lot of carries inside the five. If you have a HC who prefers to throw the ball or run the QB most of the time inside the five, you're going to have less running TDs than an equally good HB on an equally good offense whose coach prefers to run the ball with the HB inside the five.

It is a situational stat. Skill plays a role, but opportunity plays a bigger role. Gurley went from 6 total TDs in 2016 to 19 totals TD in 2017 and 21 total TDs in 2018 because our offense improved immensely under McVay, not because Gurley suddenly got better at scoring TDs.

We're unlikely to be in a position to draft Jeanty (and I'm not trading up for a HB in the first round), but I'd pick Jeanty. He reminds me of prime Marshawn Lynch. Incredible talent.

This is a great HB draft. There are some very intriguing guys on late Day 2 and Day 3. I'd grab one. Never hurts to have cheap HB depth, and it'll help to have options if Kyren's contract demands are more than we'll pay.

Yep. Completely agreed on the bolded, and if we take a back in the second round, I'd even entertain trading K-Will - and y'all know I love K-Will.

My favorite - bang for the buck; we're obviously not going to be in a position to draft Jeanty - is probably Quinshon Judkins. Just an incredibly gifted runner since his days at Ole Miss, and he doesn't have the tread on his tires like most since he's been splitting time with TreVeyon Henderson at Ohio State. In my mind, he'd be a first round talent, but he's going in the second round. I figure if we trade back, I'd gladly take him; he reminds me of Gurley a bit, except without the injuries or receiving ability (I think Judkins has potential since he didn't get a lot of chances in the receiving game when he could've. Obviously, Gurley's far better.). Judkins runs like a damn gazelle/rhinoceros hybrid: blazing fast and able to string moves like you wouldn't believe, but punishing and physical (as he should be at 6'0", 220 lbs.) as well.

If we're taking a running back late, I'd go for Raheim Sanders (South Carolina). Blazing fast, big back, has had injuries and inconsistency, but his talent is ridiculous.

 

[jrry32]

You could be correct but I can't imagine him dropping past the Cowboys plus we could have to trade even more if we do well in the playoffs. I just don't see them trading an extra first to get Jeanty. At the end of the day, it is Snead so nothing can truly be discounted lol.

When you already have a top 10 HB, that move just doesn't make sense. That's particularly true with the HB depth in this Draft.

 

[jrry32]

Yep. Completely agreed on the bolded, and if we take a back in the second round, I'd even entertain trading K-Will - and y'all know I love K-Will.

My favorite - bang for the buck; we're obviously not going to be in a position to draft Jeanty - is probably Quinshon Judkins. Just an incredibly gifted runner since his days at Ole Miss, and he doesn't have the tread on his tires like most since he's been splitting time with TreVeyon Henderson at Ohio State. In my mind, he'd be a first round talent, but he's going in the second round. I figure if we trade back, I'd gladly take him; he reminds me of Gurley a bit, except without the injuries or receiving ability (I think Judkins has potential since he didn't get a lot of chances in the receiving game when he could've. Obviously, Gurley's far better.). Judkins runs like a damn gazelle/rhinoceros hybrid: blazing fast and able to string moves like you wouldn't believe, but punishing and physical (as he should be at 6'0", 220 lbs.) as well.

If we're taking a running back late, I'd go for Raheim Sanders (South Carolina). Blazing fast, big back, has had injuries and inconsistency, but his talent is ridiculous.

Judkins is also the HB I'd take after Jeanty. I agree he goes in the 2nd. If we're going HB, trade back, and take him. He doesn't remind me of Gurley, though. Kaleb Johnson from Iowa reminds me of Gurley (but he's not quite as fast). Judkins has such a violent style. He reminds me more of DeMarco Murray.