Kyren Williams future discussion

[majrleaged]

Jeanty, only because I view him as a generational talent at running back. Never seen a running back break so many tackles. Think he'd be cheaper too on a rookie contract. Unfortunately I need to state that I'm not saying the Rams should trade up for him since some on here might take my response as such lol. Great conversational question by the way.

I would definitely trade up to get him. Everything about him makes the entire team better. And to spell him we have KW. Hard to stop the RB room.

 

[Memento]

Judkins is also the HB I'd take after Jeanty. I agree he goes in the 2nd. If we're going HB, trade back, and take him. He doesn't remind me of Gurley, though. Kaleb Johnson from Iowa reminds me of Gurley (but he's not quite as fast). Judkins has such a violent style. He reminds me more of DeMarco Murray.

I know, but there's grace in Judkins style that I've seen. He's violent and physical with the ball in his hands, but he's able to string together moves that make your jaw drop, and he's proven that he can break tackles by making defenders just flat-out miss him. I watched him as a freshman at Ole Miss, and my jaw dropped on some of those plays. Big, physical backs with his speed and elusiveness just don't come around often.

That's why I think he reminds me of Gurley. Maybe a little less graceful, maybe more physical, but just, the same ease, the confidence.

Obviously, nobody's ever going to be Gurley, or Faulk, or S-Jax, or Dickerson, or even K-Will. Every elite back ever has had his own style. I'm just saying what I saw on his film.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

When you already have a top 10 HB, that move just doesn't make sense. That's particularly true with the HB depth in this Draft.

I agree with you here. Its one thing if Jeanty drops to the Rams pick which is super unlikely but another to trade up for a position where the depth is there. The only thing I can say is Jeanty to me is far and away the best RB in the draft though. Someone is gonna get themselves a beast.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I would definitely trade up to get him. Everything about him makes the entire team better. And to spell him we have KW. Hard to stop the RB room.

Is that you Snead? Lol

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Yep. Completely agreed on the bolded, and if we take a back in the second round, I'd even entertain trading K-Will - and y'all know I love K-Will.

My favorite - bang for the buck; we're obviously not going to be in a position to draft Jeanty - is probably Quinshon Judkins. Just an incredibly gifted runner since his days at Ole Miss, and he doesn't have the tread on his tires like most since he's been splitting time with TreVeyon Henderson at Ohio State. In my mind, he'd be a first round talent, but he's going in the second round. I figure if we trade back, I'd gladly take him; he reminds me of Gurley a bit, except without the injuries or receiving ability (I think Judkins has potential since he didn't get a lot of chances in the receiving game when he could've. Obviously, Gurley's far better.). Judkins runs like a damn gazelle/rhinoceros hybrid: blazing fast and able to string moves like you wouldn't believe, but punishing and physical (as he should be at 6'0", 220 lbs.) as well.

If we're taking a running back late, I'd go for Raheim Sanders (South Carolina). Blazing fast, big back, has had injuries and inconsistency, but his talent is ridiculous.

I like Judkins as well and he'd be a prime target for sure if we had a 2nd round pick. Aw well, we got the King Pin instead so there's that

 

[Memento]

I agree with you here. Its one thing if Jeanty drops to the Rams pick which is super unlikely but another to trade up for a position where the depth is there. The only thing I can say is Jeanty to me is far and away the best RB in the draft though. Someone is gonna get themselves a beast.

With the overall weakness of the quarterback class - which lost a lot of luster after Nussmeier and Allar stayed in school (I think Allar made a serious mistake by not coming out along with Tyler Warren; he's walking into a quarterback class next year that looks so much stronger than this one, where he could've been a top five pick.); you're looking at Sanders or Ward, neither of whom strike me as franchise-altering quarterbacks or taking a chance on Ewers, and that's if he doesn't transfer instead - and the lack of elite talent at position of need, I think teams are going to either be creative and go for the talent itself or go for need and risk it blowing up in their faces. It would not surprise me, if Jeanty stays healthy, that he could go top five.

It's a strong draft for talent at weaker positions, but lacks talent at the top, especially with quarterbacks.

 

[gogoat1]

Curious how often somebody falls out of the top 5 or top 10 back. Is Kyren irreplaceable?

Are some of those backs the same now as they were in their 2nd or 3rd years?

It's funny though how a few get so offended when somebody says a RB is as good or better than KW.

As somebody who mocked him to us and defended the pick when a lot said he couldn't be an every down bsck I still love the guy and wouldn't be upset if he retires a Ram. It's not my money or my salary cap but I like the line of thought that roster building doesn't need a top 5 RB in pay to win a SB. These guys rise and fall yearly so droft backs regularly.

Kc won the last 2 with mediocre RBs.
Rams before that the same.
Tampa had a 2 way split with past their prime RBs
KC again
Cheaters with Michel was good but top 5 or 10 that year? Not even sure he was top 15.

Also for the record you look at the top 10 rushers just 2 years ago unless I missed someone there's only 2 left in this year's top 10. Do we need to stop acting like they can't be replaced?

Who is offended ?

 

[20hrswk]

You need to read the entire thread. Theres no question that peak Gurley was much better than KWill will ever be. The debate was whether there’s been a better Rams RB season since Gurleys 2017 season. Including Gurleys 2018 season where he (unfortunately) fell off the rails late.

Sorry about that. You're right, I came in on page 11 and started reading - my bad.

 

[fanotodd]

Save it. I do not think there are 10+ better backs in the NFL.
Keep the one we have and sign to a reasonable contract.

I was shaking my head when I read it too. It’s one thing to say KW is NOT a top ten back, which is utterly absurd, but from a Ram poster? Again, SMH.

 

[fanotodd]

I don't know if it is just me or what, but Williams seem to have a little Faulk in him and is also an underrated blocker.

Outside of the Ram circle, it seems the value of a good blocking RB in a McVay offense tends to surprise people (announcers especially). It has been a staple. Gurley, Michel, and even Richardson were all good blockers in the passing game.

KW has been exceptional.

 

[Giles]

He has produced at a top 5 rate for us in b2b years. What more do you want?

 

[jrry32]

I agree with you here. Its one thing if Jeanty drops to the Rams pick which is super unlikely but another to trade up for a position where the depth is there. The only thing I can say is Jeanty to me is far and away the best RB in the draft though. Someone is gonna get themselves a beast.

I agree. Best HB prospect since Saquon.

 

[20hrswk]

He has produced at a top 5 rate for us in b2b years. What more do you want?

I was shaking my head when I read it too. It’s one thing to say KW is NOT a top ten back, which is utterly absurd, but from a Ram poster? Again, SMH.

Wow, tough crowd.

I am a Ram fan through and through, but I'm not a blind Ram fan.
Let's be realistic when talking about "our" players.
We can have our opinions and we want "our" players to be the best, but numbers/data mean something.

Kyren averages 4.1 yds per carry. That is 35th in the league.

I understand everyone's take on Kyren - tough, a lot of yards - but what if he and Corum were splitting carries?

Kyren would then have 700 yards and 7 TDs? with a 4.1 yards/carry average behind the 4th ranked run blocking OL in the league.

With those numbers how would he be talked about? He probably wouldn't be.

Yes, he has a lot of yards. Because he has a lot of carries. Many couldn't stand up to 300+ carries. For that he gets big praise.

Kyren is a good RB and probably gets more out of his talent than 95% of RBs in the league, but . . .

. . . Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Gibbs, Robinson, McCaffrey, Connor, Cook, Jones off the top of my head.

You could make a list of 7/8 more that are as good or better.

No knock on Kyren, it's just the way it is.

He is good, last year he was very good, but there are others who are better.

As far as pass blocking, the numbers don't agree with some of the opinions here.

PFF rates him 40th of 52 RBs in pass blocking this year.

On the other subject . . .
Jeanty will be a star.

If the Rams could somehow get him it would open up everything on offense, just like Gurley did.

 

[jrry32]

Wow, tough crowd.

I am a Ram fan through and through, but I'm not a blind Ram fan.
Let's be realistic when talking about "our" players.
We can have our opinions and we want "our" players to be the best, but numbers/data mean something.

Kyren averages 4.1 yds per carry. That is 35th in the league.

I understand everyone's take on Kyren - tough, a lot of yards - but what if he and Corum were splitting carries?

Kyren would then have 700 yards and 7 TDs? with a 4.1 yards/carry average behind the 4th ranked run blocking OL in the league.

With those numbers how would he be talked about? He probably wouldn't be.

Yes, he has a lot of yards. Because he has a lot of carries. Many couldn't stand up to 300+ carries. For that he gets big praise.

Kyren is a good RB and probably gets more out of his talent than 95% of RBs in the league, but . . .

. . . Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Gibbs, Robinson, McCaffrey, Connor, Cook, Jones off the top of my head.

You could make a list of 7/8 more that are as good or better.

No knock on Kyren, it's just the way it is.

He is good, last year he was very good, but there are others who are better.

As far as pass blocking, the numbers don't agree with some of the opinions here.

PFF rates him 40th of 52 RBs in pass blocking this year.

On the other subject . . .
Jeanty will be a star.

If the Rams could somehow get him it would open up everything on offense, just like Gurley did.

What if Kyren scored a TD on every run? That hypothetical is as valid as your splitting carries hypothetical. He's not splitting carries. He's our bellcow HB. That has benefits in terms of volume. And it has detriments in terms of efficiency. Let's be realistic. I agree. You mentioned his yards per carry. I will point out that he's #3 in rushing yards and #4 in rushing TDs.

Which HBs are definitely better?
1. Saquon
2. Christian McCaffrey
3. Derrick Henry
4. Jonathan Taylor
5. Josh Jacobs
6. Jahmyr Gibbs

Beyond those guys, Bijan Robinson, Alvin Kamara, and Breece Hall have arguments. Nick Chubb used to be better. It's unclear if he's the same guy anymore. In other words, Kyren is very much in the top 10 conversation. At worst, he's just barely outside of the top 10.

 

[BuffaloRam]

Wow, tough crowd.

I am a Ram fan through and through, but I'm not a blind Ram fan.
Let's be realistic when talking about "our" players.
We can have our opinions and we want "our" players to be the best, but numbers/data mean something.

Kyren averages 4.1 yds per carry. That is 35th in the league.

I understand everyone's take on Kyren - tough, a lot of yards - but what if he and Corum were splitting carries?

Kyren would then have 700 yards and 7 TDs? with a 4.1 yards/carry average behind the 4th ranked run blocking OL in the league.

With those numbers how would he be talked about? He probably wouldn't be.

Yes, he has a lot of yards. Because he has a lot of carries. Many couldn't stand up to 300+ carries. For that he gets big praise.

Kyren is a good RB and probably gets more out of his talent than 95% of RBs in the league, but . . .

. . . Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Gibbs, Robinson, McCaffrey, Connor, Cook, Jones off the top of my head.

You could make a list of 7/8 more that are as good or better.

No knock on Kyren, it's just the way it is.

He is good, last year he was very good, but there are others who are better.

As far as pass blocking, the numbers don't agree with some of the opinions here.

PFF rates him 40th of 52 RBs in pass blocking this year.

On the other subject . . .
Jeanty will be a star.

If the Rams could somehow get him it would open up everything on offense, just like Gurley did.

Jeanty is going in the top 10, if not the top 5. We have needs but trading for Jeanty seems like a long shot