Kyren Williams future discussion

[PARAM]

I worry about RBs who were rode hard and put away wet in college. I worry more when I look at the level of competition they faced in college and see lot's of 'nobodies'. I worry more when I see measurables like 5'9" 215. That's not saying he isn't great or won't be good in the NFL. Just saying I worry. Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas played for Oklahoma St.. Todd Gurley played for Georgia. Derrick Henry played for Alabama. Saquon Barkley played for Penn St.. And they ALL played vs stellar competition.

Even some who played vs stellar competition and had great numbers in college don't always translate to the NFL. LeMichael James?

 

[jrry32]

I worry about RBs who were rode hard and put away wet in college. I worry more when I look at the level of competition they faced in college and see lot's of 'nobodies'. I worry more when I see measurables like 5'9" 215. That's not saying he isn't great or won't be good in the NFL. Just saying I worry. Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas played for Oklahoma St.. Todd Gurley played for Georgia. Derrick Henry played for Alabama. Saquon Barkley played for Penn St.. And they ALL played vs stellar competition.

Even some who played vs stellar competition and had great numbers in college don't always translate to the NFL. LeMichael James?

Jeanty rushed for 192 yards (7.7 YPC) and 3 TDs on the #1 team in the country (Oregon) earlier this year. There was a WR we drafted in the 3rd round out of Eastern Washington. Absolutely murdered FCS competition. Every time he got to play P5 teams, he killed them too. He panned out pretty well for us.

Plus, there are a lot of successful HBs who played for programs that weren't in top conferences. I'm happy to give you the long list, but I think one will suffice to make my point: LaDainian Tomlinson.

 

[20hrswk]

That's an unanswerable question unless you define what "something else" is. Would I trade Kyren and a 6th round pick for Jeanty? Of course. Would I trade Kyren and our first round pick for Jeanty? No.

I guess what I'm asking is do you think trading Kyren moves us up far enough to get Jeanty?

If not, what else would need to be added?

I see Jeanty going anywhere from pick #14 to pick #33 on the draft mock sites.
The same sites have the Rams picking around pick #25.

So, what would it take to move from 25 to 15?
And since it would be for a RB, it makes sense to think about how much Kyren is worth in that trade.

It also makes sense because Kyren is gone after next year (unless the Rams do a 180 on recent treatment of RBs and contracts).

Getting Jeanty on a rookie deal and using a RB you now won't have to pay to do so, seems wise to me.

And you improve your offense/team which is the ultimate goal.

 

[rdlkgliders]

That's an unanswerable question unless you define what "something else" is. Would I trade Kyren and a 6th round pick for Jeanty? Of course. Would I trade Kyren and our first round pick for Jeanty? No.

I think your list of the 9 backs above or equal to KW is solid and fair. I think Robinson is better and belongs in top 7
Chuba Hubbard has a better APC and more yards and could easily be on that list as well both Conner and Cook have fair arguments and if they were Rams would likely be placed above Kyren if KW was not a Ram

Chase Brown could be in the argument too

I love Jeanty he looks to be an instant star but don't think it will be in the cards for us as far as what we would likely need to give up to get him. Value loss/gain ratio could be against us

I like Hampton, Singleton and Sanders all possible 3 down backs with speed and power Raheim Sanders at 230 and 4.4 is intriguing and what is not to like about the way Skattebo plays, he breaks more tackles than any back in recent memory can catch and certainly physical enough in the blocking game

Backs are everywhere again this upcoming draft

 

[jrry32]

I guess what I'm asking is do you think trading Kyren moves us up far enough to get Jeanty?

If not, what else would need to be added?

I see Jeanty going anywhere from pick #14 to pick #33 on the draft mock sites.
The same sites have the Rams picking around pick #25.

So, what would it take to move from 25 to 15?
And since it would be for a RB, it makes sense to think about how much Kyren is worth in that trade.

It also makes sense because Kyren is gone after next year (unless the Rams do a 180 on recent treatment of RBs and contracts).

Getting Jeanty on a rookie deal and using a RB you now won't have to pay to do so, seems wise to me.

And you improve your offense/team which is the ultimate goal.

I don't know how other teams value Kyren, and I'm not trading Kyren and our first for Jeanty.

I think your list of the 9 backs above or equal to KW is solid and fair. I think Robinson is better and belongs in top 7
Chuba Hubbard has a better APC and more yards and could easily be on that list as well both Conner and Cook have fair arguments and if they were Rams would likely be placed above Kyren if KW was not a Ram

Chase Brown could be in the argument too

I love Jeanty he looks to be an instant star but don't think it will be in the cards for us as far as what we would likely need to give up to get him. Value loss/gain ratio could be against us

I like Hampton, Singleton and Sanders all possible 3 down backs with speed and power Raheim Sanders at 230 and 4.4 is intriguing and what is not to like about the way Skattebo plays, he breaks more tackles than any back in recent memory can catch and certainly physical enough in the blocking game

Backs are everywhere again this upcoming draft

I disagree on Hubbard and Brown. Hubbard isn't well-rounded enough and was mediocre before this year. (Plus, Kyren has better production this year.) Brown was a backup before this year and hasn't produced as well as Kyren has. Conner has been around for a long time, yet Kyren's 2024 and 2023 rushing seasons are better than anything he has produced. I don't think James Cook is anything special. Beneficiary of playing with Josh Allen imo.

 

[Merlin]

Jeanty is one of those players you simply take if he slides to you and then adjust your plan from there. But I doubt the Rams are going to target him as the guy to build their draft strategy around because they are in good shape at RB1&2 and could easily add to that late rounds.

More I look at this draft group the more I think the Rams are going to identify CB, DL, and pass game threats (X wideout in particular and TE).

Now if they were to go get Reid in FA then obviously CB drops quite a bit on the need list. Doesn't mean you don't take one up top. But like with Jeanty you don't go that route unless the guy on the board is a no brainer.

DL is very deep this year so they don't have to push it high unless it's there.

WR like CB will drop in need if they go get Higgins in FA or a filler like Slayton.

But barring the FA results it feels to me like our top pick is most likely to be CB or TE/WR.

 

[RamWoodie]

The guy runs HARD. I would say probably a 3yr deal for about 20 mil per year is fair. Guys that run like KW tend to drop off at 5 years and are gone at 8years or so. That pounding wears on the body!!!

 

[PARAM]

Jeanty rushed for 192 yards (7.7 YPC) and 3 TDs on the #1 team in the country (Oregon) earlier this year. There was a WR we drafted in the 3rd round out of Eastern Washington. Absolutely murdered FCS competition. Every time he got to play P5 teams, he killed them too. He panned out pretty well for us.

Plus, there are a lot of successful HBs who played for programs that weren't in top conferences. I'm happy to give you the long list, but I think one will suffice to make my point: LaDainian Tomlinson.

I get all that. Like I said, "it doesn't mean he won't be a good NFL RB". And yes, there have been plenty of RBs who didn't play in top conferences or against tough competition who made it in the NFL. But the list of RBs fitting the same criteria who failed is just as long, if not longer. I simply said, it raises a red flag with me.

 

[rdlkgliders]

All fair arguments, it is more to the point that these are certainly fair positions to be debated over the entirety of the NFL. Agree Hubbard is really a 1 year success at this level the .5 + yds APC above KW does draw my attention but again it is 1 season and KW had a high APC last season as no situations are identical leaving the whole conversation as a fun hopefully logical hypothetical.
Chase is very intriguing, once given the job he has been terrific, a 3 down back with 50 receptions in his first season as a partial starter
Conner is just a guy that does it year after year and Cook is a younger version of Conner in some respects, at least to me he is.

KW is a very good back and the devil we know. There are probably at least 12 guys in the league that would either improve equal or slightly decrease our success if playing in place of KW. The question becomes how do we handle this moving forward

Happy Holidays @jrry32
I hope all is well for you now that you are well into your career path

 

[20hrswk]

I get all that. Like I said, "it doesn't mean he won't be a good NFL RB". And yes, there have been plenty of RBs who didn't play in top conferences or against tough competition who made it in the NFL. But the list of RBs fitting the same criteria who failed is just as long, if not longer. I simply said, it raises a red flag with me.

I hear you on the number of carries/lack of opponents played, but Jeanty looks "special" to me.

His ability in the pass game (led nation in receiving yards by RB in '23) added to obvious running ability . . .
. . . I don't mean to get to far ahead, but that seems "McCaffrey-like" and would change everything on offense.

 

[rdlkgliders]

I will go on record as saying in my opinion there is no merit to the Jeanty hasn't played tough enough competition discussion brewing

 

[20hrswk]

I will go on record as saying in my opinion there is no merit to the Jeanty hasn't played tough enough competition discussion brewing

This might help - Oregon is 13 - 0 with the 8th ranked defense in the country.

To me the best part is he dominates then just hands the ball to the ref - no crazy celebrating . . . reminds me of Barry.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocr1uzI2s4I

 

[rdlkgliders]

This might help - Oregon is 13 - 0 with the 8th ranked defense in the country.

To me the best part is he dominates then just hands the ball to the ref - no crazy celebrating . . . reminds me of Barry.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocr1uzI2s4I

Yeah agree, don't think there is and creditable concern over his abilities or his competition. seen him play plenty and I am not buying it.
As far as the video helping, there will always be naysayers
I could hardly convince anyone here that Achane could be a Pro and a good one, of course we miss as much as we hit but some kids just pop and show the "I got this factor"

 

[Memento]

I get all that. Like I said, "it doesn't mean he won't be a good NFL RB". And yes, there have been plenty of RBs who didn't play in top conferences or against tough competition who made it in the NFL. But the list of RBs fitting the same criteria who failed is just as long, if not longer. I simply said, it raises a red flag with me.

One more name: Marshall Faulk, who played in the then-Mountain West Conference at San Diego State.

 

[rdlkgliders]

One more name: Marshall Faulk, who played in the then-Mountain West Conference at San Diego State.

Yep and they are still there for now until most the Mountain West fills out the Pac 12. The Mountain West has had a long stretch of good football and top 25 teams. Not every conference can be the Big 10 but the Mountain West is no slouch

 

[jrry32]

I get all that. Like I said, "it doesn't mean he won't be a good NFL RB". And yes, there have been plenty of RBs who didn't play in top conferences or against tough competition who made it in the NFL. But the list of RBs fitting the same criteria who failed is just as long, if not longer. I simply said, it raises a red flag with me.

Eh, there is also a long list of HBs who failed from top conferences and top programs. No such thing as a sure thing.

 

[PhillyRam]

I guess what I'm asking is do you think trading Kyren moves us up far enough to get Jeanty?

If not, what else would need to be added?

I see Jeanty going anywhere from pick #14 to pick #33 on the draft mock sites.
The same sites have the Rams picking around pick #25.

So, what would it take to move from 25 to 15?
And since it would be for a RB, it makes sense to think about how much Kyren is worth in that trade.

It also makes sense because Kyren is gone after next year (unless the Rams do a 180 on recent treatment of RBs and contracts).

Getting Jeanty on a rookie deal and using a RB you now won't have to pay to do so, seems wise to me.

And you improve your offense/team which is the ultimate goal.

Everything that I have read about this draft is that it is loaded at RB. So that could cause the top guy to drop in round one and for that same reason why trade up for a RB when we have significant needs at CB, NT, OT, LB, WR, etc...

Not to mention you have Williams for one more year and Corum for 3 more years?

If they fill their other needs in FA & the Draft, then you clear the decks to go get a top RB next year if that is what you want.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Everything that I have read about this draft is that it is loaded at RB. So that could cause the top guy to drop in round one and for that same reason why trade up for a RB when we have significant needs at CB, NT, OT, LB, WR, etc...

Not to mention you have Williams for one more year and Corum for 3 more years?

If they fill their other needs in FA & the Draft, then you clear the decks to go get a top RB next year if that is what you want.

Can't really say we have Kyren for one more year if he up and decides to push for an extension or get traded since he's eligible for one starting next year plus he's severely underpaid. Not saying he'll do this but it seems like most players try to get signed to a more secure contract in their last year of one.

 

[Classic Rams]

Yikes 20 mil per year is a very generous offer when the highest per year is McC at 16 mil per year.

Kyren's agent will look at the other RBs on the list and ask for something between 13 mil and 17 mil. They can ask for 20, but the Rams will counter-offer lower.

Also, the guaranteed money will be a big factor. McC's is 36 million.

 

[So Ram]

Can't really say we have Kyren for one more year if he up and decides to push for an extension or get traded since he's eligible for one starting next year plus he's severely underpaid. Not saying he'll do this but it seems like most players try to get signed to a more secure contract in their last year of one.

Look at the niners this season.Certain players play there contracts out.
Kyren is not even thinking about next season.His price in gold is to keep winning & performing.