Kevin O’Connell to the Vikings

[MFaulk107]

I don't think the Rams will hire Jay Gruden because IMHO, Gruden's going to want to call his own plays. I strongly believe that the Rams will elevate Thomas Brown to OC/RB Coach and then will either promote Wes Phillips to QB Coach and maybe hire former 49er TE Jon Embree as TE Coach would be a coup and would give excellent insight to their running game.

The other alternative would be to promote Zac Robinson to QB Coach as he's assistant QB Coach currently, but I like the idea of giving Wes Phillips the QB Coach title and hiring Embree, but we'll see how this plays out as the Rams will have to replace Secondary Coach Ejiro Evero too.

That would be fine by me. I would prefer almost anyone over Jay. And I don't think getting someone in house would be a bad idea.
Albeit if I remember correctly, didn't Fisher do an inhouse promotion some years back of the TE coach becoming the OC? I could be completely wrong on that, not sure. But I'm not wrong when I say Fishers offense was wack.

Of course we have McVay and I certainly trust him much more than Jeff.

 

[Allen2McVay]

... if I remember correctly, didn't Fisher do an inhouse promotion some years back of the TE coach becoming the OC?

You are referring to the brilliant offensive mind that is Rob Boras!

Jeff Fisher (another innovative offensive mind) replaced the legendary Frank Cignetti late in 2015 with Boras.

Boras had been a Tight Ends coach in the NFL for 12 seasons but Fisher saw the genius-potential in Boras and made him the Rams' Offensive Coordinator. The Rams' offense was 32nd in scoring in 2016 ... Boras' lone full season as OC.

For the past five years, Boras has coached in Buffalo ... as the TE-coach.
However, if Fisher ever gets another HC-job, he has Rob Boras on speed-dial!

 

[blackbart]

Hire the best man for the job, always, but if two candidates are considered equal by the Rams, they should doubtlessly hire the African American candidate, IMO, with a view to increasing their odds for comp picks.

There are never two equals, someone always has the edge.

 

[den-the-coach]

Albeit if I remember correctly, didn't Fisher do an inhouse promotion some years back of the TE coach becoming the OC? I could be completely wrong on that, not sure. But I'm not wrong when I say Fishers offense was wack.

Of course we have McVay and I certainly trust him much more than Jeff.

Actually first Fisher promoted Frank Cignetti from QB Coach to OC mainly because IMO, nobody outside would take the job maybe because of Fisher, but after half the season, Fisher fired Cignetti and replaced him with TE Coach Rob Boras as the OC. I actually liked Boras and the offense did improve a tad, however, the following season was an epic fail and Fisher resigned because his offenses were just archaic.

 

[snackdaddy]

LaFleur, Taylor, Staley and now O'Connell. Has Belichick ever had that many from his staff all coaching at the same time? People think the Cardinals hired Kingsbury because he was friends with McVay. Could be some truth to that.

 

[dieterbrock]

Actually first Fisher promoted Frank Cignetti from QB Coach to OC mainly because IMO, nobody outside would take the job maybe because of Fisher, but after half the season, Fisher fired Cignetti and replaced him with TE Coach Rob Boras as the OC. I actually liked Boras and the offense did improve a tad, however, the following season was an epic fail and Fisher resigned because his offenses were just archaic.

And Frank Cignetti has had a pretty decent career since being promoted from the Rams to "anywhere that Jeff Fisher isnt"
Did a really nice job at BC, and recently took the OC job at Pitt

 

[den-the-coach]

And Frank Cignetti has had a pretty decent career since being promoted from the Rams to "anywhere that Jeff Fisher isnt"
Did a really nice job at BC, and recently took the OC job at Pitt

That's one of the reasons that Fisher promoted Cignetti over Boras was because Cig had been an OC before, however, it's not always about the X's & the O's, it's about the Billy's & the Joe's and the Rams didn't have anyone on offense.

 

[IE Rams]

The fact that this is the man who hired McConnell will never reach the light of day.

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I didn’t know a thing about him. Interesting bio and background.

 

[dieterbrock]

That's one of the reasons that Fisher promoted Cignetti over Boras was because Cig had been an OC before, however, it's not always about the X's & the O's, it's about the Billy's & the Joe's and the Rams didn't have anyone on offense.

Didnt have anyone?
Well, they had:
Todd Gurley, Offensive player of the year in the first year without Fisher
Nick Foles, Superbowl MVP 1st year away from Fisher
Jared Goff, 11 wins 1st year without Fisher
Case Keenum, 11 wins as a starter 1st year without Fisher
Tyler Higbee, tripled his production 1st year without Fisher
So it wasnt a case of having the players, it was more of a case of not having a clue how to use them.....

 

[IE Rams]

LaFleur, Taylor, Staley and now O'Connell. Has Belichick ever had that many from his staff all coaching at the same time? People think the Cardinals hired Kingsbury because he was friends with McVay. Could be some truth to that.

I remember lotsa people bringing up the McVay connection when AZ got Kingsbury. And with Kingsbury being really up front about wanting Murray, I think AZ was trying to get lightning in a bottle with their own versions of McVay and Mahomes. Wishful thinking right now, but the talk was there.

But man that WC game was still so gratifying. Kingsbury and Murray were shell shocked.

 

[den-the-coach]

Didnt have anyone?
Well, they had:
Todd Gurley, Offensive player of the year in the first year without Fisher
Nick Foles, Superbowl MVP 1st year away from Fisher
Jared Goff, 11 wins 1st year without Fisher
Case Keenum, 11 wins as a starter 1st year without Fisher
Tyler Higbee, tripled his production 1st year without Fisher
So it wasnt a case of having the players, it was more of a case of not having a clue how to use them.....

I just think Fisher limited whoever the OC was, now, it's not like he hired top notch OC's, he hired Brian Schottenheimer (later fired by Seahawks) & Cignetti & Boras. Cignetti had only been an OC at the collegiate level & Boras had never been an OC, but obviously there were some players, but not as many as they have now and I'm not sure Jeff Fisher at that time ensured there were weapons and remember just how bad Goff was under Fisher/Boras.

 

[dieterbrock]

I just think Fisher limited whoever the OC was, now, it's not like he hired top notch OC's, he hired Brian Schottenheimer (later fired by Seahawks) & Cignetti & Boras. Cignetti had only been an OC at the collegiate level & Boras had never been an OC, but obviously there were some players, but not as many as they have now and I'm not sure Jeff Fisher at that time ensured there were weapons and remember just how bad Goff was under Fisher/Boras.

I just remember everyone being bad under Fisher/Boras, and how good they looked right away under someone else's watch.
We're saying the same things, I'm not trying to argue. Trying to raise a chuckle

 

[blackbart]

Fisher and the Rams got screwed by the fucked up injury that Bradford sustained. His offense was good enough to get to the SB against GSOT and Bradford was looking excellent that season until that injury. For all the shit thrown his way, Fisher was the beginning of digging out of the worse team in history.

 

[snackdaddy]

I remember lotsa people bringing up the McVay connection when AZ got Kingsbury. And with Kingsbury being really up front about wanting Murray, I think AZ was trying to get lightning in a bottle with their own versions of McVay and Mahomes. Wishful thinking right now, but the talk was there.

But man that WC game was still so gratifying. Kingsbury and Murray were shell shocked.

It was even more satisfying after Kurt Warner said he would trust Murray more than Stafford come playoff time. Stafford was the better quarterback in all 3 games. Outplayed Tom Brady. And now he's a win away from that elusive ring.

 

[IE Rams]

It was even more satisfying after Kurt Warner said he would trust Murray more than Stafford come playoff time. Stafford was the better quarterback in all 3 games. Outplayed Tom Brady. And now he's a win away from that elusive ring.

Jesus. I’ve given up on Warner‘s takes.

 

[den-the-coach]

I just remember everyone being bad under Fisher/Boras, and how good they looked right away under someone else's watch.
We're saying the same things, I'm not trying to argue. Trying to raise a chuckle

Agreed and that's why IMO, I would always hire an Offensive Head Coach because even if your defensive coach hires a good OC, eventually, that OC will get hired as a HC. There are not many veteran OC's out there that are not in danger of being hired as a HC like Greg Roman of Baltimore for example, that's why I would always hire an offensive coach because it's much easier to find a veteran DC that will be around longer than any up & coming OC.

 

[Kupped]

Agreed and that's why IMO, I would always hire an Offensive Head Coach because even if your defensive coach hires a good OC, eventually, that OC will get hired as a HC. There are not many veteran OC's out there that are not in danger of being hired as a HC like Greg Roman of Baltimore for example, that's why I would always hire an offensive coach because it's much easier to find a veteran DC that will be around longer than any up & coming OC.

This is the new conventional wisdom in the NFL... and it's pretty solid. But, I will say, that I think the right guy can come from either side of the ball. If he's a Defensive guy.. he just needs to know what he wants from his offense and why.. and be able to hire the right guys.

It's kind of like the situation with McVay with DCs.. he's been pretty good at picking them.

McDermott is a good example of a current success.. and, of course, there's Belichick.

I feel like Flores was solid.. but that situation is bizarre.

 

[den-the-coach]

It's kind of like the situation with McVay with DCs.. he's been pretty good at picking them.

McDermott is a good example of a current success.. and, of course, there's Belichick.

I feel like Flores was solid.. but that situation is bizarre.

Great point about the Sean's as to Flores and I do like him as a Head Coach, he went through 3 OC's in Miami and that was one of the issues.

 

[Kupped]

Great point about the Sean's as to Flores and I do like him as a Head Coach, he went through 3 OC's in Miami and that was one of the issues.

Exactly. And the disconnect between ownership and management and him makes me wonder if that contributed.

 

[CoachAllred]

I didn’t know a thing about him. Interesting bio and background.

Yea but the Headlines will read " another white coach"
what will not be brought up is the fact that a black gm
hired him. Or that there have been 4 black Gms hired in the last 2 years.
And of course the media says nothing about Flores being fired by a black GM
with whom Flores could not get along with.
Don't get me wrong, I want to see more black HC'S and more importantly
more black owners.
But the media makes me sick with the way they leave out important
facts, because it doesn't fit their narrative or create as many hits.
They could care less about creating more separation as long as the money rolls in.