Jeff Fisher says he left Rams in 'good shape,' lauds Sean McVay

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McVay deserves every accolade he’s getting because he turned the offense into an actual offense

IMO Fishers shortcoming was promoting or hiring people he liked a lot. That's why he never found an OC worth a fuck, and that's what held the offense back. When he was in TENN and winning A LOT with McNair and with a couple of decent play callers but in retrospect it looks like a blind squirrel find nut situation because all of his selections for the Rams were awful.

Had Fisher had a healthy Bradford and a good OC he'd probably still be the HC.

But the team wouldn't be playing like this. McVay has proven that he is unique and special.

McVay being the gifted offensive mind he is is making the difference. No denying that.
 

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That's fine and you're entitled to your opinion. But Fisher had total roster control, total control over his coaching and control over the teams game plan. In his time here in LA there was nothing the team ever did IMO that the team was getting better or was prepared for their opponents. Fisher had his chances and the only players we ever saw get better were DB's and Zeurlein and Hekker (Coach Bones for the special teams players?). I wish nothing but the best for Jeff Fisher and any coaches going forward but I have no sympathies for them not being here anymore.
Neither do I but this conversation was about roster construction not results lol it seem like people are getting the 2 confused. All he said was he left the roster in good shape which he definitely did
 

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Some truth in what Fisher is saying... but he couldn't get it to the next level.. or really any level that was worth talking about.
 

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Name them lol. Whitworth and Sullivan Barwin and Johnson that’s because Cody got hurt. Now receivers yeah that’s it. But it’s a 46 man roster not 22 and that’s the point Fisher had to gut the team from top to bottom 35-40 players where all new when fisher got done that’s something McVay don’t have to worry about
 

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IMO Fishers shortcoming was promoting or hiring people he liked a lot. That's why he never found an OC worth a freak, and that's what held the offense back. When he was in TENN and winning A LOT with McNair and with a couple of decent play callers but in retrospect it looks like a blind squirrel find nut situation because all of his selections for the Rams were awful.

Had Fisher had a healthy Bradford and a good OC he'd probably still be the HC.

But the team wouldn't be playing like this. McVay has proven that he is unique and special.

McVay being the gifted offensive mind he is is making the difference. No denying that.
I agree 100 percent I don’t think whatever Fisher did the offense would be as good as it is now
 

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21852646/jeff-fisher-says-left-los-angeles-rams-pretty-good-shape

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    Alden GonzalezESPN Staff Writer
LOS ANGELES -- Former coach Jeff Fisher has "no regret whatsoever" about how things went down with the Los Angeles Rams and would seemingly like a little bit of credit for what has since transpired, saying he left the team "in pretty good shape."

Ahead of the Rams' matchup with the Tennessee Titans on Sunday, Fisher, a longtime head coach for both organizations, took part in an hour-long interview with The Midday 180 radio show in Nashville and touched on his most recent employer.

Fisher was fired 13 games into his fifth season with the Rams in 2016, which ended with a 4-12 record in the franchise's return to L.A. Now, under first-year head coach Sean McVay, the Rams are 10-4 and can lock up their first division title since 2003 this weekend.

"I'm a huge fan of the Ram players," Fisher told The Midday 180 on Friday. "They're basically -- I don't want to say my players, but I had a lot to do with that roster. Left them in pretty good shape. And Sean, as he's proven in this very short period of time, is an outstanding young coach. And he's got the offense rolling, which they needed."


The Rams were no better than 7-8-1 in Fisher's five seasons as head coach. During that time, the offense finished no better than 21st in scoring and ranked last in every major category last season.

This season, the Rams lead the NFL in total points, point differential and rank 10th in yards per game.

Fisher, who has a home near Nashville and spent 2017 away from coaching, said he is "really, really excited for the players. They did what we wanted to do before I left."

Fisher credited the additions on the offensive line, with left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan, as well as a trio of new receivers in Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp. He also said McVay has "done a great job" with Jared Goff, whom Fisher played a part in drafting No. 1 overall in 2016.

Goff struggled mightily while starting the final seven games last season, finishing with an 18.3 Total QBR that was the lowest by a wide margin for those who attempted at least 200 passes.

This year, with McVay guiding him, Goff is a first alternate for the Pro Bowl.

"We knew that was coming," Fisher said. "... That's why we traded up with you guys here [the Titans] to get him, because we knew he had that kind of potential. We felt like both the quarterbacks had a chance to be franchise quarterbacks. We were right. Philly got theirs [with Carson Wentz], and the Rams got theirs."

Earlier this week, Fisher's longtime right-hand man, Dave McGinnis, now a radio color commentator for the Titans, was asked about the resurgent Rams by The Tennessean and said: "First of all, Jeff Fisher and I, we built this roster, you know what I'm saying?"
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Former coach Jeff Fisher, who inherited a Rams team that had lost 65 of 80 games over five seasons, defended his track record in a radio show Friday, saying his "perspective's different because I went through it, and I know exactly what I went through." Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports


McGinnis, the Rams' assistant head coach under Fisher from 2012 to 2016, said the team's defense and special teams "has been playoff ready for two years" and that it was only the offense that needed to get right. McGinnis credited McVay for bringing "a tremendous offensive system in there," but also credited Fisher -- and never once mentioned sixth-year general manager Les Snead -- for drafting star running back Todd Gurley.

"It's just, we were the youngest team in the league four years in a row," McGinnis told The Tennessean. "This team has grown up together. This is one of the better teams in the league right now, personnel-wise and the way they're playing."

At full health, 12 of the Rams' 22 starters were brought in while Fisher was the head coach, in addition to the team's kicker (Greg Zuerlein), punter (Johnny Hekker) and return specialist (Pharoh Cooper), all three of whom were selected to the Pro Bowl.

Special teams was a consistent strength under current special teams coordinator John Fassel, and the defense showed spurts of dominance under former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. But the offense was a top-to-bottom mess, at offensive line, receiver, quarterback and, as last year showed, even running back.

Fisher was head coach for the Titans from 1995 to 2010, starting when they were the Houston Oilers. He led them to six playoff appearances from 1999 to 2008, including a close Super Bowl loss to the Rams. But it has been nine years since Fisher, 59, last coached a team that finished with a winning record.

Fisher, who inherited a Rams franchise that had lost 65 of 80 games over five seasons, defended his track record on The Midday 180.

"My perspective's different because I went through it, and I know exactly what I went through," he said. "I get a kick out of people who [say], 'Oh, you just tied Dan Reeves for the most losses in the history of the National Football League.' Well I'm a few wins away from being in the top 10. So, where do you want to emphasize; what's your point? Two franchises, five different cities, six different stadiums. Not an easy thing to do.

"Chargers moved from San Diego to Orange County and started 0-4. Relocation is huge. I'm not making excuses, but last year we moved from St. Louis to Oxnard, Oxnard to UC Irvine, UC Irvine to Thousand Oaks. And that's what our offseason was about."
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Lol but I bet if you left those pieces to someone that is good they would recognize them for what they are.
 

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2/3's of the team was playoff caliber when Fisher got fired. Before Fisher arrived this team was 100% comedy club caliber.
 

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This thread is some 7-9 Bullshit!

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Yeah not buying that all.

First McVay is enjoying something that Fisher never had and that’s health. That’s something that cannot be overstated and dismissed. Fisher offense would have never been top 10 like McVay but it would have been more than good enough with that defense and special teams if they was even middle of the road good.

Fisher and staff did coach up Brown Havenstein and Saffold but as I mentioned earlier McVay has benefited from a healthy team.

In my eyes Fisher is absolutely right if McVay inhereited the same team that Fisher did and had to move the team like fisher did we wouldn’t be talking about how Great he McVay is.

We as fans should be happy that Fisher did construct a very good roster for McVay to take over. He implemented his offense and got Woods Sullivan and Whitworth. Tbh it’s all about timing and the timing was perfect for McVay

I will grant that health this year is a big plus. McVay as made all the right off season moves.

You can't underestimate the off season moves that McVay made. McVay changed the culture and acquired high level talent at reasonable costs. I don't think Fisher would have made all the moves that McVay did. I don't think Fisher would have changed the culture to a positive "We not Me" mentality.

It was four years when Fisher took over the team and had to move. During those four years the Rams had a ton of draft capital. We all have gone back and forth over the draft failures which combined with the free agent failures helped put Fisher behind the offensive curve. Fisher didn't leave the cupboards bare but, could have left more talent. He could have made signing J Jenkins a priority but, left a mess with TruJo's contract cost. He had a ton of draft capital to work with so he should have left some talent on the roster.
 

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does anybody really believe that Woods would have signed if Fisher still coach? i dont, and further dont think he would have recognized the talent of Kupp or Watkins, we would still have Quick and the dude i hate, both of them and Cook quitters when needed. Offensive line, ha, if Fisher here we'd still have:eek: Grob
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Neither do I but this conversation was about roster construction not results lol it seem like people are getting the 2 confused. All he said was he left the roster in good shape which he definitely did
As somebody else pointed out 10 of his 22 starters were replaced and 22 of the 53 man roster were not with this team last year. A whipping 41% of the roster is new. So yes there was some talent there but no we aren't good because of him. He contributed but that's not something he should be tooting his horn over.
 

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Besides Keenum and the vikings who else? And if you say philly, nick foles played 1 game against a bad new york team.

he also finished the game against us and won. he may have played only one game but he did play well.
 

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I will grant that health this year is a big plus. McVay as made all the right off season moves.

You can't underestimate the off season moves that McVay made. McVay changed the culture and acquired high level talent at reasonable costs. I don't think Fisher would have made all the moves that McVay did. I don't think Fisher would have changed the culture to a positive "We not Me" mentality.

It was four years when Fisher took over the team and had to move. During those four years the Rams had a ton of draft capital. We all have gone back and forth over the draft failures which combined with the free agent failures helped put Fisher behind the offensive curve. Fisher didn't leave the cupboards bare but, could have left more talent. He could have made signing J Jenkins a priority but, left a mess with TruJo's contract cost. He had a ton of draft capital to work with so he should have left some talent on the roster.


McVay has and is doing everything right but it’s a lot easier to map out a plan when you know what the team needs. Fisher had to construct the entire roster from starters to depth players to special teams.

The Jenkins fiasco was on Snead, he didn’t want to sign Jenkins for what he wanted but Fisher did. Fisher failures was injuries his hiring of coordinators but his drafting besides the Quick thing was spot on.

No one wanted to touch Jenkins, Donald he took Gurley when running backs was no longer going in the. First round TJ McDonald Rodney McLeod Tru Brockers fisher drafts are one of the big reason why the roster is so stacked he just was absolutely atrocious on the offensive side of the ball.

All I’m saying if I’m McVay I rather been got the roster Fisher left me than got the one that was left for Fisher
 

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Fisher obviously didn't leave a complete wreck of a roster behind, but McVay did still bring in a considerable amount of talent and his portion of roster building should be a credit to him and Fisher and McGinnis are here spouting off about what a great job they did. Dave even found time to thrown in the "youngest roster in the league" nonsense that the previous staff so often used as a crutch for sub-par coaching.

I don't think anyone needs to tear down Fisher and the talent he added, but he doesn't need to be patted on the back and told he did a great job. He left McVay a better roster than he himself was given. Not really an accomplishment in my mind because he was given garbage to begin with and he was supposed to improve it. If he somehow gave McVay a worse starting point than he had, THAT would have been shocking.

Fact is, Fisher and his staff didn't all do their jobs and he also whiffed on filling much needed positions on this roster and on the staff. Fisher says McVay got the offense clicking and acts like that was the missing piece. He takes way too much credit for the roster building he did, while downplaying the awful coaching job he did and doesn't mention the new roster pieces that needed to be added as well. 5 years and you couldn't find a something better at center than a bargain bin option. In one season McVay has 2 centers better than Barnes and Wells. That says a lot. Fisher did a good amount of roster building, but left a lot of it unfinished as well
 

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Fisher obviously didn't leave a complete wreck of a roster behind, but McVay did still bring in a considerable amount of talent and his portion of roster building should be a credit to him and Fisher and McGinnis are here spouting off about what a great job they did. Dave even found time to thrown in the "youngest roster in the league" nonsense that the previous staff so often used as a crutch for sub-par coaching.

I don't think anyone needs to tear down Fisher and the talent he added, but he doesn't need to be patted on the back and told he did a great job. He left McVay a better roster than he himself was given. Not really an accomplishment in my mind because he was given garbage to begin with and he was supposed to improve it. If he somehow gave McVay a worse starting point than he had, THAT would have been shocking.

Fact is, Fisher and his staff didn't all do their jobs and he also whiffed on filling much needed positions on this roster and on the staff. Fisher says McVay got the offense clicking and acts like that was the missing piece. He takes way too much credit for the roster building he did, while downplaying the awful coaching job he did and doesn't mention the new roster pieces that needed to be added as well. 5 years and you couldn't find a something better at center than a bargain bin option. In one season McVay has 2 centers better than Barnes and Wells. That says a lot. Fisher did a good amount of roster building, but left a lot of it unfinished as well
Fisher left the Rams with absolutely nothin on offence, nothing
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As somebody else pointed out 10 of his 22 starters were replaced and 22 of the 53 man roster were not with this team last year. A whipping 41% of the roster is new. So yes there was some talent there but no we aren't good because of him. He contributed but that's not something he should be tooting his horn over.
Who are these 10 starters who are the 22 players that’s on the 53 man roster. I’m coming up with a blank

The only ones I know are Whitworth Sullivan and Barwin.

Then you get to his trades you Got Watkins for Ej and a 2nd rounder

Woods was a free agent.
The draft you got Pharoh, Kupp and Reynolds ebukam

Now I can’t think of the other guys that he brought in that’s actually making a major contribution to this team.

But either way you look at it the roster was in good shape I don’t see how people don’t want to admit that it’s not taking anything away from what McVay is doing but it’s the truth.