It's fair to call Goff elite now

[1maGoh]

I don't understand the 4th quarter comebacks thing. I don't want to be losing in the 4th quarter. And what's worse is that even the best QBs' records for 4th quarter comebacks, not just under 2 minutes, is only a touch over 50%. There are no 4th quarter heros that regularly win those. It's a coin toss at best. Keep your comebacks. Let's not get losing in the first place.

As far as accuracy and missing wide open receivers, you can't really all him to have a higher completion percentage. I guess that means that missing harder throws and making easy ones is more elite than making hard throws and missing a statistically acceptable portion of others. To each their own.

Is he elite? Well, his statistics are elite and his intangibles are elite. Who am I to poop on him because he plays great the first 3 quarters and makes the occasional human error?

That being said, I'd love to see some playoff wins. Year one he didn't really get a chance to take them to the playoffs. Year two, considering where year one ended, we we're in great shape just making it to the playoffs. It's year three now, so hopefully the other 24 regular starters (O, D, ST) can play as well at their positions as he does at his. If they did (Donald, Hekker Zuerlein, and Gurley do) we'd steamroll the playoffs through the super bowl. Yeah I said it. Playoff wins aren't a QB stat. That's some ESPN horse-hockey. Get real.

 

[payote75]

It's not just 4th quarter comebacks it's about all of it and before debating eliteness you need to perform in certain game situations which really haven't arisen yet in his career it all adds up to being elite comebacks, playoff wins, timely drives, adversity, etc. you can be a qb with elite skills but never put it all together to join the elite like Brady, manning, brees, and many more.

 

[Robert]

You not reading me right. These are things one needs to see over a season when the situation dictates the need to do so. Time will tell.

There were two times yesterday when Goff got sacked I could see it coming before the snap. The Rams have a good OLine but I feel like there are times when Goff doesn't hear the clock in his head or he just doesn't read the defense properly.

Wentz is not Goff...Wentz's getting hurt doesn't mean Goff will. You don't play thinking you might get hurt...you play to win. I'm not looking for reckless abandonment just prudence.

If you feel Goff is elite right now...fine...I simply disagree. I think he's excellent right now...but there's more I want to see come out of him. He's just not in that Rodgers, Brady, Brees, or Rivers zone yet to me. Those guys are elite. Goff is a tier down as I see it. I even feel folks are jumping the Mahomes bandwagon to quick...but that kud does have an "it factor.

What I appreciate about Goff is steady progress...he'll get there...but thg he's not th here yet.

There is a difference between seeing a blitz coming and pocket presence. Goff has done a great job knowing when to move around and either get rid of the ball or by time for someone to get open.

No but if you look back at quarterbacks who run most of them tend to get hurt. Wentz was playing to win and guess what he tore his acl and hasn't been the same guy since. The reason why Brees and Brady have had long careers is they know when to get down and not take contact. Goff is the same way and if we have to go 3 and out because Goff slide 2 yards short instead of taking a hit trying to get a first down in the middle of the season i 100 percent agree with it. Unlike Wentz he will get to play the rest of the year.

Goff's has how many starts compared to the 4 guys you named? Obviously he is a tier down because those are 4 future HOF when you talk about careers, and you have to be talking about careers because if not Goff has outplayed 3 out of the 4 guys you named the last 2 years.

 

[Robert]

You serious? ok according to this logic of yours who out of those names that are elite is number 1, 2, 3

 

[BunzOfAnarchy]

Well if we imagine the team to be the Rams, whose offense is certainly elite, how many QB's could beat Goff? He throws with the anticipation of the old masters Brees and Rivers but with a 24-year-old power arm. The only guy I'd take over him in that scenario would be Aaron Rodgers, who's an extraterrestrial.

 

[Dodgersrf]

just based on getting Halle Berry to tweet his name ...yup....he's elite

To my knowledge, Halle Berry has never tweeted Brady, Rodgers or Breese.
Which would.. in fact... make Goff elite

 

[kurtfaulk]

I don't get this line of thinking. The offense is elite because it's mcvay's offense. You can't say if mcvay's not there it wouldn't be as good so it's not elite. It's his offense and it is elite.

Chris Carter was talking about it a few weeks back and said on weekends he watches other games and he can usually guess what the next play will be. When he watches the rams offense he has no idea if the next play is pass or run. That he has no idea what they will do. That is an elite offense.

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[TexasRam]

Goff's first 2 full seasons are way ahead of Brees and Bradys first 6 years. Only Aaron Rodgers played this well this early.

So Goff has all the indicators of Elite, which I think has to play out over several seasons. Unless you are Warner and can get to three Super Bowls and some MVP hardware within 5 years.

Goff needs to show better poise under pressure a tad more consistently to reach the Elite status. Against the Saints he got happy feet and lost his poise the last two drives. Doesn't mean he wont be Elite, just means he has a few more things to Iron out before he gets there, in my opinion.

 

[shaunpinney]

What impresses me is Goff's demeanour, he never seems to get flustered, the guy has one cool head on his shoulders, he reminds me of Brees in this area.

He also seems to be in tune to McVay, which I think is priceless, McVay has made this O, all the parts he's brought in have improved his scheme.

I think if McVay and Goff continue on this developmental growth curve then they can both be called 'elite'.

 

[CGI_Ram]

The fact we are even having this debate is a pretty good sign.

 

[Ramlock]

If you read the whole post..Playoff victories before elite status IMHO

Well, here’s the thing with the entire post.

First paragraph is difficult to take seriously because all miss throws...all of them.

Second paragraph is the 3 millionth shot at a coach that is long gone. It no longer seems relevant to the current discussion. I’m bored of that discussion.

Third paragraph is where the post hangs it’s hat, huh? I’m taking into account the obvious
Increased productivity and skill growth from ‘17 to ‘18 and the demonstrated leadership escalation in year 2 of the current regime, which is all that is relevant IMO. This guy just keeps getting better.

I have 100% confidence that his elite level play will be manifest in the remaining games of this season and the post-season, hopefully crossing all of the moving goal lines but I am skeptical that it will.

But, this is a message board so...post on.

 

[den-the-coach]

But, this is a message board so...post on.

Thanks will do!

 

[Ramlock]

Chris Carter was talking about it a few weeks back and said on weekends he watches other games and he can usually guess what the next play will be. When he watches the rams offense he has no idea if the next play is pass or run. That he has no idea what they will do. That is an elite offense.

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Posters in this thread can guess the next play!

 

[dang]

Great QB/Great Leader/Great Improvement year to year. I expect to see Greatness for years to come but lets not push prematurely for the media's "Elite" status. That will come as he continues to have success and win big games head to head with other great QBs (especially in the playoffs where everything is on the line).

 

[Flint]

Goff’s stats are pretty close to Mahomes except for tds, where PM has a big edge but you really don’t hear them talked about as equals. I think that’s something that isn’t going to change, I’m surprised at how difficult it is to change perception.
I was listening to baldy’s breakdowns after the Saints game and he was talking about the comeback and he says, almost as a side note, something to the effect that McVay is in Goff’s ear helping him bring the team back. I just shook my head, but that just goes to show you how hard it is to change perceptions, this is something that everyone does,or they should anyway, but it has followed Goff around for a year, diminishing the progress he’s made in the eyes of some.

 

[James Otto]

Goff is a better QB than Mahomes - it will become even more evident in time.

There is NO QB in the league I would switch Goff for.