It's fair to call Goff elite now

[Legatron4]

I would go out on a limb where Goff played ‘OK’ Gurley saved our asses.

Goff still misses throws pretty often that he is more than capable to make on a consistent basis for him to be elite.

Rodgers and Brady do this to but it’s at a minimum generally which helps their teams always stay in it.

Love me some Jared, always have but you can’t start getting the rose colored glasses on for somebody you like as a fan.


Honestly I’m thinking in another 1-3 years at the most he enters this category.

Goff is better then Brady and Rodgers this year. I understand what you’re saying but his play is the best this team has seen in 15 years. He makes throws that Warner couldn’t. He’s arrived whether people like it or not.

 

[BunzOfAnarchy]

I would go out on a limb where Goff played ‘OK’ Gurley saved our asses.

Goff still misses throws pretty often that he is more than capable to make on a consistent basis for him to be elite.

Rodgers and Brady do this to but it’s at a minimum generally which helps their teams always stay in it.

Love me some Jared, always have but you can’t start getting the rose colored glasses on for somebody you like as a fan.


Honestly I’m thinking in another 1-3 years at the most he enters this category.

Brady misses a ton of throws. Troy is a hater but Tony knows.

 

[Rams43]

Excellent post, Les!

Depends on one’s definition of elite, I suppose.

Top 5?

Top 3?

Speaking strictly for myself, Goff meets my definition of elite. I don’t give a damn that he’s only done it for a year and a half.

Leadership
Completion rate
Average yds per attempt
Yardage
TD’s
Wins

Geez, I wouldn’t trade Goff for any other player in the NFL right now. If that ain’t elite, I don’t know what is.

 

[FarNorth]

And to say that he's "arrived".

Watching him yesterday has removed any possibility of doubt, it is no longer possible to make a case that he isn't elite. It can't be done. Yesterday in a dogfight with the defense letting the team down and handing points to the opponent because of drive extending penalties he kept his cool under mounting pressure and just went to work.

He's risen to the occasion every single game and without his play the Rams lose the Vikings game, split with SEA, and probably lose to Green Bay. This team could very well be 5-5 or 6-4 without him playing the way he is. At best maybe a shot at 7-3.

That is what an elite QB does.

Yesterday was another 300 plus yard game, he has 7 this year essentially if we give him the GB game at 295 yards. The thing for me is yesterday he did it without any long bombs, he did it in nice size chunks, which is good because it adds confidence that 3rd and long plays aren't daunting. They know they can pick up a 3rd and 12.

His YPA is eye popping. 9.44 per attempt is amazing. At the end of the season he will be on top there, Fitzpatrick is now but he will come back to Earth.

He's on pace to hit 5,000 yards and 35 TD's and is currently 2nd in total yards. Now think about this..........he is 9th in pass attempts so it's not like he's just throwing more than everyone.

Adding to the prolific production are the intangibles. The things that make people say "yeah he has the it factor". His footwork, pocket awareness, accuracy (68.4%), poise under pressure are all flat out fantastic. Plus he takes care of the ball. And by the way, he has 3rd fourth quarter comeback in the 10 games so far and 3 game winning drives.

There's no9 more "well let's see".

We see.

Very timely post!! Goff has proven on the field that he is one of the top qbs in the NFL. He is playing as well as anyone. It has been fun to hear this acknowledged by Romo, Fouts Brees and other great qbs, while his rookie year detractors are eating their words.

Hear’s some of the stuff I think Goff excels at: Arm, accuracy, footwork. Great anticipation, seeing the field, reading options, decisionmaking. Throwing from tight spaces in the pocket to tight windows on receivers’ hands, equally well at fast delivery and high velocity or on an arc over defenders. Ability to run a very complex offense flawlessly. Incredibly cool. Great leadership. Inner confidence at a very high level. Tremendous determination to completely master his position. Team player. Great face of the team along with Gurley and others.

If Goff isn’t elite, not sure who is right now. And I doubt anyone would do better, or even as well, than Goff as qb of the Rams right now.

 

[Corbin]

Goff is better then Brady and Rodgers this year. I understand what you’re saying but his play is the best this team has seen in 15 years. He makes throws that Warner couldn’t. He’s arrived whether people like it or not.

I don’t think the debate is if he’s arrived or not is even a question and shouldn’t have been one this year anyways. The debate is if he’s elite now and until Goff wins pivotal games that everything rest on him I’ll reserve the right to keep him in the Good to Great category!

Ps don’t ever say anything about my Warner! lol Warner made a ton of throws Goff Wouldn’t. And he was better than Bulger..

Brady misses a ton of throws. Troy is a hater but Tony knows.

He misses a ton of throws but does he miss Division championships? Conference championships? Super Bowls? Rings? When any of it matters? Not really.

Ps it could be because he came from the most winningiest college football program, at least that’s my hunch.

GO BLUE!!

 

[Dodgersrf]

Lol It takes a while for me to to fall in love bro! You’d be good to BS with over a beer or 5. :rolllaugh:

5 would be a good start.:cheers:

 

[NJRamsFan]

He’s good and stuff

 

[Ramzheart]

Don't we all want our QB to be Brady reincarnated! I think one of the problems is people have different ideas of what elite is.
It seems now everyone wants a Rodgers or Wilson who can scramble around a buy alot of time. I think that's one version but Brady, Manning and Brees don't play that style.
I think it's easier to anoint a Rodgers type because it can be more theatrical.
The pure pocket passers are a ittle harder to judge sometimes especially now a days.
Why haven't we seen Goff had the last minute heroics, we havent really needed them. Goff is surgeon like, accurate, methodical and yes clutch!

Another thought, I would love our QB to go down in history as one of the best of all times but bottom line, he doesn't have to be for us to win multiple Super Bowls!

 

[Ramlock]

2 fourth quarter comebacks this year...

He's stacking up the arbitrary "elite" indicators that everyone comes up with.

So, go on and move those goal posts, I don't give a shit.

He's top 5.

 

[BunzOfAnarchy]

I don’t think the debate is if he’s arrived or not is even a question and shouldn’t have been one this year anyways. The debate is if he’s elite now and until Goff wins pivotal games that everything rest on him I’ll reserve the right to keep him in the Good to Great category!

Ps don’t ever say anything about my Warner! lol Warner made a ton of throws Goff Wouldn’t. And he was better than Bulger..
He misses a ton of throws but does he miss Division championships? Conference championships? Super Bowls? Rings? When any of it matters? Not really.

Ps it could be because he came from the most winningiest college football program, at least that’s my hunch.

GO BLUE!!

Completely fair point. I say the same thing all the time about Mahomes. Both he and Goff are good enough that their respective ranking will only be decided after New Year’s Day.

 

[SoCalRam78]

Goff has had far more than just a couple of good games. Hes playing at a high level week to week.
I was watching the game yesterday and I kept thinking that we are blessed to have him as our QB.
That QB carousel we played for nearly 13 years is over and behind us. We dont just have a decent, stable QB. We have a great one

first back to back 3 k seasons from a ram QB since marc bulger did it in 2003-2004

which is a testament to the pathetic state of the franchise before mcvay, 3 k yards isn't some big mark.

My take on goff is the same as it was before the year. Young QB continuing to get better. Last year was a taste, he's better this year. More in command, makes better throws, understands the reads better.

Perspective no matter what happens this year, Rams have a franchise QB and running back in their early 20s.

 

[Montanaramfan]

Just stop and think about this for a second. Brady/Belichik have been together for 18 years. Brees/Payton have been together for 12 years. Rodgers/McCarthy have been together for 12 years. Goff/McVay have been together 2 years. My point is this. Sure, I'd love to see us win the Super Bowl this year and believe we have the talent (in all three phases) do to so but if we somehow stumble, I don't want the fanbase to think the sky is falling. Of all those great pairings above, Rodgers and Brees each only have one Super Bowl win while, of course, Brady has five. Anyone with any football sense can tell you that Goff is among the elite in today's game. If we can keep him and McVay together for a decade or more, we'll get our share of championships. Hopefully, a handful.

 

[LesBaker]

As much as I'd love to say yes as a Rams fan and mostly as a football fan I'm afraid elite stars comes from some comeback two min drill wins in the crunch a playoff win or two not necessarily a Super Bowl but you at least have got to show it when it counts first reg season crunch time he needs one of those and obviously a playoff win hopefully many more than that but that starts to have him rise above and then the confidence becomes even better and he himself will believe he has it totally under control its like a symbiotic relationship bit different lol skills feed of success/confidence and vice versa. Lol

Comebacks with 2 minutes or less are rare, especially when down by a TD.

Remember the stat on Rodgers? 0-35 with two minutes and losing to a team with a winning record.

Nobody on the planet would say he isn't elite.

I think we're witnessing that final stretch of an elite QB's development right now. Personally I am not going to crown him at this point. But I do think it's coming real soon, like this year's playoffs.

Cmon @Merlin you Denny Green channeling mofo......CROWN HIM GO AHEAD AND CROWN HIS ASS.

Stats don’t mean crap with being a leader, clutch in the most extreme circumstances constantly, and a leader of men.

I listed the intangibles that he possesses. And I don't question his leadership one bit.

Did you know he went and pulled Donald away in that little postgame dust-up. It was Goff wasn't it?

I'm not basing my opinion on merely stats. But the numbers don't lie that's for sure.

I cant help but think that we are witnessing the beginning of a Brady / Billicheat type of scenario.
These 2 could be together for a very long time.

Winnerwinnerchickendinner!!!

Hard to say. He just hasn't been in the situations that are sink/swim for the Elite moniker. It's conjecture at this point on both sides of the argument.

Three times this year he put together game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks and yesterday when the Rams needed to close the game he did it and converted some hard 3rd downs.

Goff still misses throws pretty often that he is more than capable to make on a consistent basis for him to be elite.

He's completing 68.4% of his passes.

Goff is having a very good year. He had a good year last year. Let's see how he finishes this year. He certainly has moved up the QB rankings.

This year IMO is an entirely different creature because he is getting a little less support from the defense. At least in comparison to last year.

Top 5 QB, trending to top 3.

I'm curious because I value your opinion because you are a smart fan..........who are the 4 you would pick ahead of him?

He makes throws that Warner couldn’t

I luv ya @Legatron4 but disagree here. There wasn't a throw Warner couldn't make.

The debate is if he’s elite now and until Goff wins pivotal games that everything rest on him I’ll reserve the right to keep him in the Good to Great category!

This is the reason I said that after this week nobody can say he isn't elite, because this game rested on him and he took it over. Without his play the Rams lose this game. Late in the 3rd quarter he helped lead a TD drive to take the lead. Then in the 4th when SEA got within a FG of winning he got another scoring drive and helped add 3 more to the score. He delivered.

This was in part a pivotal game. This was a division foe and you have to win in the division more than you lose.

2 fourth quarter comebacks this year...

3 according to profootballreference.com in 10 games.

Last year he had 1 in 17 games.

IMO it's a big deal and I think you agree.

 

[LesBaker]

Just stop and think about this for a second. Brady/Belichik have been together for 18 years. Brees/Payton have been together for 12 years. Rodgers/McCarthy have been together for 12 years. Goff/McVay have been together 2 years. My point is this. Sure, I'd love to see us win the Super Bowl this year and believe we have the talent (in all three phases) do to so but if we somehow stumble, I don't want the fanbase to think the sky is falling. Of all those great pairings above, Rodgers and Brees each only have one Super Bowl win while, of course, Brady has five. Anyone with any football sense can tell you that Goff is among the elite in today's game. If we can keep him and McVay together for a decade or more, we'll get our share of championships. Hopefully, a handful.

Yes good point.

I think the issue, or difference if you will, between the three teams is the fact that Belichick is the best coach that has ever walked the sidelines. Cheating aside, the guy knows what he is doing to a higher degree than anyone.

Also the AFC hasn't been as competitive and the Patriots have often had home field because their division is shit.

It's an unusual set of circumstances there. It may never happen again.

 

[Farr Be It]

I would go out on a limb where Goff played ‘OK’ Gurley saved our asses.

Goff still misses throws pretty often that he is more than capable to make on a consistent basis for him to be elite.

Rodgers and Brady do this to but it’s at a minimum generally which helps their teams always stay in it.

I understand your reluctance to brand him elite, until he has sustained it for a couple more years, Corbin, but "misses passes still"? Consider:

Goff is nearly 70% completion, (68.4%). Brady 65% Rodgers 61%. The statisticians should recalculate. These elite passers never miss!
Goff is at 9.4 avg. Brady 7.1 and Rodgers 7.7%
Goff has lead his team to a 9-1 record so far, this year, and made jaw-dropping, accurate throws in the clutch, many, many times.
Brady has lead his team to a 7-3 record.
Rodgers 4-4-1.

Sure glad our guy ain't "elite".

Top 5 QB, trending to top 3.

This sounds about right.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I'm curious because I value your opinion because you are a smart fan..........who are the 4 you would pick ahead of him?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees are three that I put above him (reverse order), but they'll all retire soon, and he'll move into the top 3.

This year Mahomes has been better statistically, but I don't know how that trend goes, nor have I seen enough tape to know the types of throws he's making, so I don't include him right yet.

I can see arguments for guys like Wilson, Roethlisberger, to be the 4th over Goff, but I dunno. Goff being younger is why I'd take him over the guys above him if I'm building a team, but they're HOF players who can still play at a high level.

 

[LesBaker]

Goff has lead his team to a 9-1 record so far, this year, and made jaw-dropping, accurate throws in the clutch, many, many times.

I had forgotten the "throws guys open" in the intangibles part.

So good job bringing that up.

He does that too.

 

[Prime Time]

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[LesBaker]

Brady, Rodgers, Brees are three that I put above him (reverse order), but they'll all retire soon, and he'll move into the top 3.

This year Mahomes has been better statistically, but I don't know how that trend goes, nor have I seen enough tape to know the types of throws he's making, so I don't include him right yet.

I can see arguments for guys like Wilson, Roethlisberger, to be the 4th over Goff, but I dunno. Goff being younger is why I'd take him over the guys above him if I'm building a team, but they're HOF players who can still play at a high level.

Brees for sure.

Rodgers is having a really good year, but not as good as Goff's.

So far Goff is outperforming Brady.

If Mahomes is doing this next year late into the year then I think it's fair to put him ahead of Goff or at the same level. Right now Goff is 16 yards behind him for the lead in total passing yards on 13 fewer passes. But yeah he is having a fantastic year.

Goff is a top 3 dude right now.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Brees for sure.

Rodgers is having a really good year, but not as good as Goff's.

So far Goff is outperforming Brady.

If Mahomes is doing this next year late into the year then I think it's fair to put him ahead of Goff or at the same level. Right now Goff is 16 yards behind him for the lead in total passing yards on 13 fewer passes. But yeah he is having a fantastic year.

Goff is a top 3 dude right now.

If we're going only 2018 then Goff is the best or second best QB in the NFL.