It's fair to call Goff elite now

[Corbin]

5 would be a good start.:cheers:

I'm okay for a warm up round my friend.

Completely fair point. I say the same thing all the time about Mahomes. Both he and Goff are good enough that their respective ranking will only be decided after New Year’s Day.

Your completely right! I have a ton of suspense and eagerness to see how all this plays out after New Years. Obviously hoping Mr Goff bombs the hell out of everybody! lol

I listed the intangibles that he possesses. And I don't question his leadership one bit.

Did you know he went and pulled Donald away in that little postgame dust-up. It was Goff wasn't it?

I'm not basing my opinion on merely stats. But the numbers don't lie that's for sure.

Yes that was pretty awesome and the first thing I noticed in the vid after the game with Donald putting on his helmet and running into it looking for Britt (outside of no one wanted a piece of AD! lol) Was pretty damned impressive.

He's completing 68.4% of his passes.

I agree it's damned good but it's different from completing some simple dump offs than being on the money in crunch time. Two totally different scenarios.

I luv ya @Legatron4 but disagree here. There wasn't a throw Warner couldn't make.

Amen. What @Legatron4 says is

This is the reason I said that after this week nobody can say he isn't elite, because this game rested on him and he took it over. Without his play the Rams lose this game. Late in the 3rd quarter he helped lead a TD drive to take the lead. Then in the 4th when SEA got within a FG of winning he got another scoring drive and helped add 3 more to the score. He delivered.

This was in part a pivotal game. This was a division foe and you have to win in the division more than you lose.

What happened when the game was on the line vs. the Saints? I give him a huge credit for leading us back vs Seattle last week but I'm anxious to see what happens the end of this year in the playoffs, vs. KC, or the Bears. That will give me a more accurate gauge to judge Goff by than any other.

I understand your reluctance to brand him elite, until he has sustained it for a couple more years, Corbin, but "misses passes still"? Consider:

Goff is nearly 70% completion, (68.4%). Brady 65% Rodgers 61%. The statisticians should recalculate. These elite passers never miss!
Goff is at 9.4 avg. Brady 7.1 and Rodgers 7.7%
Goff has lead his team to a 9-1 record so far, this year, and made jaw-dropping, accurate throws in the clutch, many, many times.
Brady has lead his team to a 7-3 record.
Rodgers 4-4-1.

Sure glad our guy ain't "elite".

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Has nothing to do with completion percentage shredding teams apart like SD, AZ, MIN, or SEA.
I'm talking about game is on the line and sailing one over an open Cupp or Woods or Cook.
How many Super Bowls or playoff guys has our 'elite' guy won exactly?
I'll let you get back to me on that one bruh!

Here is how I see it and it depends what the definition of elite is.....To this point, you have the occaision where he misses a WR wide open. Happen against the Packers & Saints when he missed Woods in crucial situations....All in All IMO, he's only in his second year because under Fisher, Boras and Tinky Weinke, it's amazing it did not take a couple of years to deprogram.

I love the kid and this comes from somebody who wanted Carson Wentz and complained after the choice was made. Overall, Goff is on the cusp, but not quite ready for the elite status as I need some post season victories to evaluate him to that level.

Damn I missed the Wentz on a previous post but in my mind that's been settled last year! lol Damned good post! Funny how no one mentions those misses to a wide open Cupp or Woods but will tout his stats. I don't care about stats as much as post season success as you do.

You want to know whats really interesting to me?

There is one name that hasn't even been mentioned in this thread, last years Mahomes, Carson Wentz.

Jared has silenced the Goff/Wentz debate and nobody even noticed.

Amen bro,

No need to mention an already put to bed debate! Goff no question! lol Great post.

 

[den-the-coach]

If missing a WR is enough to make somebody not elite there aren’t any elite QBs then. They all miss guys sometimes.

Post Season wins before any QB becomes elite IMHO

 

[RamWoodie]

Goff is definitely playing excellent...BUT... I think it's too early to put an "elite" tag on him. No doubt in my mind he can get there though. Before I put him in elite class I gotta see him do more in pressure situations like:

*Game winning drives 2 mins or less
*Stretching plays with his legs. (Goff is mobile but hesitant to use it)
*Better pocket feel
*Playoff wins

He's definitely top 10 but not yet elite in my book.

 

[…..]

16 yards away from being #1 in passing yards.

Used the Halle Berry audible to gain 9 yards.

Has to share his eliteness spotlight and potential passing reps with the #1 running back in the league.

just based on getting Halle Berry to tweet his name ...yup....he's elite

 

[thirteen28]

Whether or not you think Goff as a whole is elite, I don't think there can be any argument that the skill set he is exhibiting this season is anything less than elite. He has made some ridiculous throws this year, ones so unbelievable that even when you see him make them you have a hard time believing what you just witnessed. And even if you don't think Goff is elite *now*, there is little doubt that the trajectory of his career arc is decisively heading towards him being in that category.

 

[Ramlock]

Here is how I see it and it depends what the definition of elite is.....To this point, you have the occaision where he misses a WR wide open. Happen against the Packers & Saints when he missed Woods in crucial situations....

All in All IMO, he's only in his second year because under Fisher, Boras and Tinky Weinke, it's amazing it did not take a couple of years to deprogram.....Boring

I love the kid and this comes from somebody who wanted Carson Wentz and complained after the choice was made. Overall, Goff is on the cusp, but not quite ready for the elite status as I need some post season victories to evaluate him to that level.

They all miss wide open throws...next

 

[den-the-coach]

They all miss wide open throws...next

If you read the whole post..Playoff victories before elite status IMHO

 

[OldSchool]

Post Season wins before any QB becomes elite IMHO

Champ is that you? Those goal posts are moving again

 

[Ramer]

And to say that he's "arrived".

Watching him yesterday has removed any possibility of doubt, it is no longer possible to make a case that he isn't elite. It can't be done. Yesterday in a dogfight with the defense letting the team down and handing points to the opponent because of drive extending penalties he kept his cool under mounting pressure and just went to work.

He's risen to the occasion every single game and without his play the Rams lose the Vikings game, split with SEA, and probably lose to Green Bay. This team could very well be 5-5 or 6-4 without him playing the way he is. At best maybe a shot at 7-3.

That is what an elite QB does.

Yesterday was another 300 plus yard game, he has 7 this year essentially if we give him the GB game at 295 yards. The thing for me is yesterday he did it without any long bombs, he did it in nice size chunks, which is good because it adds confidence that 3rd and long plays aren't daunting. They know they can pick up a 3rd and 12.

His YPA is eye popping. 9.44 per attempt is amazing. At the end of the season he will be on top there, Fitzpatrick is now but he will come back to Earth.

He's on pace to hit 5,000 yards and 35 TD's and is currently 2nd in total yards. Now think about this..........he is 9th in pass attempts so it's not like he's just throwing more than everyone.

Adding to the prolific production are the intangibles. The things that make people say "yeah he has the it factor". His footwork, pocket awareness, accuracy (68.4%), poise under pressure are all flat out fantastic. Plus he takes care of the ball. And by the way, he has 3rd fourth quarter comeback in the 10 games so far and 3 game winning drives.

There's no9 more "well let's see".

We see.

Just matter of time

 

[den-the-coach]

Champ is that you? Those goal posts are moving again

My original post did include post season success too taking nothing away from how good Goff has been

 

[Robert]

Would you mind telling us who you have ahead of Goff?

 

[Oregonram]

I love Goff’s growth under McVay. They are a great team. I’m sure that all of us have our own criteria on what makes a quarterback elite. For me, there are “gravity” moments in tough games. Jared has done well in some of these moments, but he has missed a couple. There is no crime in missing some, but we have 2 very notable “gravity” moments that could have jumped started our young QB, but they were missed. I think I’m a very short time, he will not miss them. Gravity moment #1. After tying up the Saints, our defense had a rare stop, and we had our chance to go ahead. Jared hurried his throws and we went 3 and out...gravity moment. #2 after getting the ball after Seattle’s last TD, all we needed was really 1 first down. Jared hurried his throws again and a rare 3 and out...could have iced the game. It will happen, but not yet.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

He is an amazing talent. He needs a ring to be elite though.

 

[Robert]

Goff is definitely playing excellent...BUT... I think it's too early to put an "elite" tag on him. No doubt in my mind he can get there though. Before I put him in elite class I gotta see him do more in pressure situations like:

*Game winning drives 2 mins or less
*Stretching plays with his legs. (Goff is mobile but hesitant to use it)
*Better pocket feel
*Playoff wins

He's definitely top 10 but not yet elite in my book.

*Game winning drives 2 mins or less- I would rather Goff throw for 350 yards and 4 touchdowns to not have to worry about that.
*Stretching plays with his legs. (Goff is mobile but hesitant to use it)- Dont understand this. Did you see what happened to Carson Wentz.
*Better pocket feel- Pocket presence has been pretty amazing but maybe idk what i am watching
*Playoff wins- Couldn't agree more good thing he is elite and we will have lots of opportunities

 

[RamWoodie]

*Game winning drives 2 mins or less- I would rather Goff throw for 350 yards and 4 touchdowns to not have to worry about that.
*Stretching plays with his legs. (Goff is mobile but hesitant to use it)- Dont understand this. Did you see what happened to Carson Wentz.
*Better pocket feel- Pocket presence has been pretty amazing but maybe idk what i am watching
*Playoff wins- Couldn't agree more good thing he is elite and we will have lots of opportunities

You not reading me right. These are things one needs to see over a season when the situation dictates the need to do so. Time will tell.

There were two times yesterday when Goff got sacked I could see it coming before the snap. The Rams have a good OLine but I feel like there are times when Goff doesn't hear the clock in his head or he just doesn't read the defense properly

Wentz is not Goff...Wentz's getting hurt doesn't mean Goff will. You don't play thinking you might get hurt...you play to win. I'm not looking for reckless abandonment just prudence.

If you feel Goff is elite right now...fine...I simply disagree. I think he's excellent right now...but there's more I want to see come out of him. He's just not in that Rodgers, Brady, Brees, or Rivers zone yet to me. Those guys are elite. Goff is a tier down as I see it. I even feel folks are jumping the Mahomes bandwagon to quick...but that kud does have an "it factor.

What I appreciate about Goff is steady progress...he'll get there...but thg he's not th here yet.

 

[bluecoconuts]

LOL ok.

I thought of it four hours before I posted it.

Neenerneenerneener.

Wait, you just started calling him elite this year? I've been saying it since last year.

 

[payote75]

Comebacks with 2 minutes or less are rare, especially when down by a TD.

Remember the stat on Rodgers? 0-35 with two minutes and losing to a team with a winning record.

Nobody on the planet would say he isn't elite.



Cmon @Merlin you Denny Green channeling mofo......CROWN HIM GO AHEAD AND CROWN HIS ASS.



I listed the intangibles that he possesses. And I don't question his leadership one bit.

Did you know he went and pulled Donald away in that little postgame dust-up. It was Goff wasn't it?

I'm not basing my opinion on merely stats. But the numbers don't lie that's for sure.



Winnerwinnerchickendinner!!!



Three times this year he put together game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks and yesterday when the Rams needed to close the game he did it and converted some hard 3rd downs.



He's completing 68.4% of his passes.



This year IMO is an entirely different creature because he is getting a little less support from the defense. At least in comparison to last year.



I'm curious because I value your opinion because you are a smart fan..........who are the 4 you would pick ahead of him?



I luv ya @Legatron4 but disagree here. There wasn't a throw Warner couldn't make.



This is the reason I said that after this week nobody can say he isn't elite, because this game rested on him and he took it over. Without his play the Rams lose this game. Late in the 3rd quarter he helped lead a TD drive to take the lead. Then in the 4th when SEA got within a FG of winning he got another scoring drive and helped add 3 more to the score. He delivered.

This was in part a pivotal game. This was a division foe and you have to win in the division more than you lose.



3 according to profootballreference.com in 10 games.

Last year he had 1 in 17 games.

IMO it's a big deal and I think you agree.

Not attacking or belittling anything goff has done is doing or could potentially do and two minute thing is taken literal my point being he isn't elite yet because he hasn't done enough elite things needs to fatten up his resume to take that step into eliteness......and before being labeled elite or debating it he needs to at least get a playoff win under his belt. Also being elite sometimes means you put the team on your back when everyone else is crap and will them to a win gutsy performances etc. so he is young but until that resume gets some more references he is still just a very good quarterback a probowler even a superstar if you will. Is Matt stafford elite? Wentz? Alex smith?

 

[kurtfaulk]

We want to see Goff stack up his 2 minute drives, but we don't want to our team to be in a position where we're down late in the 4th.

haha, that's the dumbest stat the media has come up with. they used to say that about warner as well - "where's his late 4th qtr comebacks?" fucking clowns.

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[Robert]

Are you ranking them based on this year or career wise?