I'm Worried About Goff

[Ram77]

Jeez man.. not a homer. Well I kinda am but.... of all the QBs under 27 years old. Theres only one-maybe 2 that I would consider definitively better than Goff
(Mahomes) and maybeeee (Watson)?
I still would rather have Goff long term over Wentz, Dak, Baker, Josh Allen, Trubisky, Daniel jones, Darnold, Lamar Jackson, Garopolo, Winston, Marriota. So he is in the upper echelon of QBs IMO. He needs to scan the field a little better at times and sense the pressure from his blind side (avoid fumbles). But the dude is a gun slinger and doesnt allow a bad play to rattle him. He won that game for us in New Orleans last year in the most hostile of environments. Almost beat Seattle last week. Not worried about him at all. When you throw 45 times a game you are going to have turnovers. TD passes who cares -Gurley has been getting carries in the red zone. TD passes will come. You cant just look at the stats sometimes.

 

[LesBaker]

Our defense is allowing 28ppg. Gurley is averaging 54 yards per game. I'm sorry, why is Goff the problem?

He isn’t, he’s trying to carry the team because others including the coaches aren’t pulling their weight.

Both are good points but Goff is also doing his share of hurting the team with turnovers.

The blame can be spread around as the saying goes.

11 More games to play and they need to win 8 to have a shot at the division and 7 to be a wildcard.

 

[LesBaker]

He needs to scan the field a little better at times and sense the pressure from his blind side (avoid fumbles).

He's used to having better protection and needs to understand right now he isn't getting it like he was last year and get rid of the ball faster.

He's holding the ball longer than he should.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I’m more worried you’re letting some whiner fan influence you like this. Maybe he should worry about his own QB, who can’t carry the load. Goff hasn’t been the issue the last 12 games.

 

[KayJay]

Not saying Goff is the problem, the thread is titled "worried about Goff" He is our franchise QB and honestly I expect more. oline issues are issues for lots of teams but the QBs work through it. Great QBs figure it out.

As for the defenses he has faced most are worse than ours. Rams rank 13th, Carolina 8th, Saints 19th, Cleveland 18th, Tampa 26th and Seattle 14th. So there is that.

Take the last game: one the 1 yard line he has Woods open and throws behind him. Then driving down the field on the drive before the 2 minute warning he has Higbee wide open for a huge gain and throws to a covered Kupp.....last year he makes those plays.

Not sure why everyone is so afraid to be concerned about his play. Im not saying he is a bust or bum or anything like that, my point is I am concerned. He has not played well this year (not as good as we have seen) and if you take from December to now, its still not good. He has been barely average. The 3rd highest QB should be able to face adversity and make plays under duress when needed. He hasnt done that yet.

Haha, nobody is afraid to be concerned. Its just too emotional of a reaction when you actually watch the games. I want to be concerned, but I can't be when he's still completing over 60% of his passes with poor offensive line play. I'm worried about his fumbles, that's it. He needs to clean that up because for the most part he needs to start securing the ball. But the man is getting the ball down the field. We aren't suffering from multiple 3 and outs all of the time; so what is there for fans to worry about? Like I said in another thread, if this continues all season; then we can look at the offense as a whole and figure out what role to play Jared had in his down year. But as of right now, Jared Goff isn't the disease, he is merely just a symptom much like Gurley is.

Both are good points but Goff is also doing his share of hurting the team with turnovers.

The blame can be spread around as the saying goes.

11 More games to play and they need to win 8 to have a shot at the division and 7 to be a wildcard.

That sir, is a fair assessment. I'm not hanging all his interceptions on him considering he was hit and blindsided on multiple along with tipped passes. But yes he does share the blame mostly due to his fumbles if anything. Like I said, Jared Goff isn't the disease; but he is a symptom.

 

[Boston Ram]

... so you're saying his play is a problem for you, huh?



I included the stats from the games against those teams, and I'm not sure if you're focusing on total defense or passing defense. Either way, his stats have been not great, but certainly not horrible. Meanwhile, you're including stats in your arbitrary "last 13 games" numbers from the 2018 run of defenses he faced which were very good.

Even if I use this year his passer ranking for 2019 is not even top 25. I guess that is the new good.

 

[yrba1]

My main criticisms of Goff so far are:

Questionable reads: There have been players who are wide open but he opts to throw to a receiver in tight coverage. Sometimes throwing to receivers who are in a tough spot to catch the ball and leads to a turnover due to a missed catch

Holding the ball too long: 2.5 seconds ought to be the longest he's holding the ball unless that play is for a 20+ yard gain

Not sliding inside the pocket often: He's shown a flash that he's capable of evading sacks inside the pocket @Seattle last Thurs. I remember his draft tangibles listed him with having Peyton Manning feet, I hope he'll develop his game of using that to be more elusive in the pocket

Overall, he's been good so far and will have plenty of time to develop; he'll only be 25 in a few days and QBs usually don't reach their fullest potential until they hit their late 20s.

 

[LA_vision]

He's putting up those numbers against some respectable defenses with below average play from our offensive line and a running game that's probably in the bottom third of the league.

Our defense is allowing 28ppg. Gurley is averaging 54 yards per game. I'm sorry, why is Goff the problem?

12 turnovers already, that's insane after 5 weeks.

 

[RamDino]

The guy has thrown for over 900 yards in 2 close games, and he almost brought the Rams back in both of them. Let's not cherry-pick our statistics. Goff is not the problem here.

 

[KJD_Ram]

one point of clarification....
It's Frisco, so it's either 66'ers or 99'ers (not that there's anything wrong with that....)

 

[iamme33]

seems like I remember goff going to some qb guru during the off season a few years back. was wondering if he is still going during down time

 

[TexasRam]

There is no team that runs the ball in the red zone for more TD’s then the Rams. This skews Goff’s stats.

It’s not rocket science folks.

Goff is at the top in the league in passing yards but the TD numbers will be low as long as the Rams keep running the ball in the red zone.

It’s really strange that people can’t see this.

Now if Goff’s offense wasn’t scoring points then there is a concern. But it is and without a running game.

If the Rams weren’t winning then that’s a concern, but barring a missed FG we would be 4-1, after making the Super Bowl last year with this same “not the same” Goff.

unfortunately you can lead a team down the field for 5 scoring drives but if you run the ball in for TD’s because teams are worried about your pass game then your stats will indicate your not cutting it as a Qb.

And that’s what sucks about looking at stats without context.

 

[badnews]

There is no team that runs the ball in the red zone for more TD’s then the Rams. This skews Goff’s stats.

It’s not rocket science folks.

Goff is at the top in the league in passing yards but the TD numbers will be low as long as the Rams keep running the ball in the red zone.

It’s really strange that people can’t see this.

Now if Goff’s offense wasn’t scoring points then there is a concern. But it is and without a running game.

If the Rams weren’t winning then that’s a concern, but barring a missed FG we would be 4-1, after making the Super Bowl last year with this same “not the same” Goff.

unfortunately you can lead a team down the field for 5 scoring drives but if you run the ball in for TD’s because teams are worried about your pass game then your stats will indicate your not cutting it as a Qb.

And that’s what sucks about looking at stats without context.

^ Freaking A!!!!!

 

[tempests]

One of my friends (fucking 69ers fan!) pointed out Goff's stats since that shitty bears game last year:

I've heard that argument so many times already. People love cutting off that sample size so Goff's MNF performance against the Chiefs can't be included or considered, or the five straight games with 100 passer rating is out. Their analysis of Goff must leave out his best games. Gee, I wonder why.

Everyone remembers Jim Mora's famous "playoffs?" rant, but who remembers which player inspired that rant? One Peyton Manning, the fourth year of his career but in the midst of a horrible stretch, in which he threw 12 INTs in six games, and his team lost all but one. On the day Mora lost his head, Manning threw for 370 yards, but he also threw 4 INTs, which the other team converted into 23 points and won going away.

We all know what Goff can do in Mcvay's offense. He's still an ascending QB whose understanding of the game will only grow. Some patience is required through the rough spots.

 

[JonRam99]

GZ makes a kick & I think everyone's mood is different at 4-1.

 

[1maGoh]

I wish we could see how Bortles would play with the first team. Of course, that’s unrealistic.

Ok... But why though?

 

[Boston Ram]

Haha, nobody is afraid to be concerned. Its just too emotional of a reaction when you actually watch the games. I want to be concerned, but I can't be when he's still completing over 60% of his passes with poor offensive line play. I'm worried about his fumbles, that's it. He needs to clean that up because for the most part he needs to start securing the ball. But the man is getting the ball down the field. We aren't suffering from multiple 3 and outs all of the time; so what is there for fans to worry about? Like I said in another thread, if this continues all season; then we can look at the offense as a whole and figure out what role to play Jared had in his down year. But as of right now, Jared Goff isn't the disease, he is merely just a symptom much like Gurley is.




That sir, is a fair assessment. I'm not hanging all his interceptions on him considering he was hit and blindsided on multiple along with tipped passes. But yes he does share the blame mostly due to his fumbles if anything. Like I said, Jared Goff isn't the disease; but he is a symptom.

Not emotional at all. I have presented nothing but facts. My eyes also tell me I should be concerned. I thought after a couple of weeks the rust would be off as he didn’t play in the preseason.

Like I said earlier, I’m saying he is a bust or a bum, he is just struggling and not playing like he did the first half of last year and year before. My eyes tell me that as well as the numbers

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

Also in the middle of last year we lost Kupp and Gurley got hurt.

 

[IowaRam]

I just worry about the slow starts

 

[jacktheripper85]

I’m more concerned with Brandin Cooks. Dude is either hurt or only seems to show up every other game.

He hasn’t been the same player since the Chicago game last year either.