Huge test today for Goff

[Ellard80]

It was a test and he didn't pass it.

1st half he didn't have much a chance. 2nd half he had much better protection... and whelp.

 

[Ram77]

Papa John Manning himself would have had a rough game with that play calling and oline

 

[tempests]

Papa John Manning himself would have had a rough game with that play calling and oline

Papa John Manning carried his team in a lot of games they had no business winning.

 

[OntarioRam]

Go watch the games against the Vikings, Chiefs, and Saints last year and tell me JaredGoff isn't a very good QB. Particularly the playoff game vs. the Saints. No QB would look behind this o-line. Except perhaps Russell Wilson. But that simply is not the style of QB that Jared Goff is. We have far, far bigger problems than Goff right now. He is not without his flaws, so I do think we might have paid him too much too soon, but you need a QB to win in this league and Goff is a good one who is still extremely young. Finding a bonafide starter can easily take a decade. The contracts given to Gurley, Cooks, Havenstein, and
Higbee are much bigger problems right now. Same for Jalen Ramsey if we re-sign him and he doesn't pick up his play - and uf we don't re-sign him, then we gave up huge draft capital (and the cheap rookie contracts that come with it) for nothing.

 

[thirteen28]

Papa John Manning carried his team in a lot of games they had no business winning.

Papa John Manning's team went 6-10 in his 4th season despite having all of the same weapons he had in winning the division the two years prior. Papa John Manning threw 23 picks that year, with only 26 TD passes.

If Papa John Manning had this fan base, or a significant chunk of it, they would have called for getting rid of him right then and there. And we know how utterly fucking wrongheaded they would have been then too.

 

[tempests]

Papa John Manning's team went 6-10 in his 4th season despite having all of the same weapons he had in winning the division the two years prior. Papa John Manning threw 23 picks that year, with only 26 TD passes.

Leaving some chapters out of Manning's story, are we? Colts went to the playoffs 11 times in 12 years.

Manning was widely regarded as a top 3 QB even in 2001. There was Favre, there was Warner, and no one was putting Mark Brunell or Daunte Culpepper ahead of Manning.

If Papa John Manning had this fan base, or a significant chunk of it, they would have called for getting rid of him right then and there. And we know how utterly fucking wrongheaded they would have been then too.

What's wrongheaded is this comparison. Manning was a far more advanced QB than Goff.

 

[max]

3 points and a ton of turnovers.

How much of it falls on Goff?

an objective assessment would say enough to conclude Goff was not good.

 

[SuperMan28]

Seriously, does Simms actually add input or just agree with Florio? Florio gives monologues and Simms is there to make it look like he's not just talking to himself.

 

[thirteen28]

Leaving some chapters out of Manning's story, are we? Colts went to the playoffs 11 times in 12 years.

Manning was widely regarded as a top 3 QB even in 2001. There was Favre, there was Warner, and no one was putting Mark Brunell or Daunte Culpepper ahead of Manning.



What's wrongheaded is this comparison. Manning was a far more advanced QB than Goff.

But that was his 4th year, just as this is Goff's 4th year. Going by the script you and many others want to go with, Manning would have been dumped by the Colts after his 4th year. We have hindsight now to know how stupid that would have been, so maybe you guys should learn something from that bit of history.

You can say Manning was a more advanced QB than Goff is or has shown to date, but nobody was saying that after his very rough 4th season.

Manning had a crap rookie year just like Goff (set a rookie record for INTs). He showed massive improvement in his 2nd and 3rd years, like Goff. Then, for various reasons, some beyond his control, he showed regression in his 4th year. But rather than give up on him, rather than blame him for all the factors that were beyond his control (just as there are many beyond Goff's control this season). they stuck with him and were rewarded quite nicely.

Not to mention, Manning hadn't even won a playoff game by that point in his career. Goff has taken a team to a Super Bowl, and was absolutely clutch in the NFCC when he needed to be.

Maybe you guys should focus on fixing the things around him first, so we can truly evaluate him. Last time they fixed stuff around him (2016 to 2017), he responded by being much better. I'd bet dollars to donuts with a quality OL and a head coach that doesn't stupidly abandon the run when it's working, he'll be the same QB he was then.

 

[matt30]

3 points and a ton of turnovers.

How much of it falls on Goff?

an objective assessment would say enough to conclude Goff was not good.

I'm not to worried about the turnovers. One was clearly a forward pass that got ref'd away. One ball was on target deep but the safety made a great play. The last one was low to avoid the over the top db, but ended up deflected into someone else's hands. I'm more worried about the intermediate throws and screens.

We used to be really consistent on third downs. I can't tell if that's Goff, or the receivers, or the line, or some combination of all three.

 

[Merlin]

3 points and a ton of turnovers.

How much of it falls on Goff?

an objective assessment would say enough to conclude Goff was not good.

Yep. But how meaningful is that objective assessment. In other words it is one game so does it mean Goff won't ever be good again? Or do we apply the same objectivity to his entire career arc thus far and consider the state of the protections along with it.

What would you do Max? I'd like to hear that.

 

[PhillyRam]

3 points and a ton of turnovers.

How much of it falls on Goff?

an objective assessment would say enough to conclude Goff was not good.

Brees looked like shit today against a one win team. The reason? He had no time. It happens.

I put more blame on McVay for being too predictable. Move Goff around some to get away from pressure. Did that a few times today and it worked.

Stick with the run. It was working at times and he would get away from it. Get the screen game going again.... Where has that been?

McVay needs to counter teams now knowing his scheme inside and out. He needs to help an OL that is dealing with injuries and playing some young guys.

Goff has to play better for sure, but he is not getting a lot of help. Hell, his receivers are dropping passes now too.

 

[gabriel18]

Complete failure , and I don’t want to hear how great Pittsburgh defense is. 3rd string Hoyer had no trouble moving the ball last week in Pittsburgh. Some QB’s actually move around in a collapsing pocket to avoid pressure. Goff is another Bulger right now , and his confidence has to be shaken.

 

[gabriel18]

Right now at my house the wind is blowing 20mph plus . That could be a test for everyone if it doesn't die down .

Wind was no factor by game time.
A poor game plan and horrible execution were the reason for that crap show. McVays offense has exposed and he’s done nothing to change. Goff , Gurley , and Higbees contracts may put us back into the sub .500 club again. Throw in the 2 first round picks and having to pay Ramsey. Not good

 

[matt30]

Complete failure , and I don’t want to hear how great Pittsburgh defense is. 3rd string Hoyer had no trouble moving the ball last week in Pittsburgh. Some QB’s actually move around in a collapsing pocket to avoid pressure. Goff is another Bulger right now , and his confidence has to be shaken.

Hoyer had a horrible game with a better line. Not a great example.

 

[thirteen28]

Brees looked like shit today against a one win team. The reason? He had no time. It happens.

Imagine. A QB doesn't get enough time to throw and be effective and has a shit game.

DUMP THE QB!!!!!!!!!!! (Insert pitchforks and torches here).

 

[Ellard80]

seriously its marc bulger all over again.

these back and forths….

 

[gabriel18]

Hoyer had a horrible game with a better line. Not a great example.

If Hoyers 3 TD’s and 1 int.is horrible , what does Goff’s 3 points , 2 ints. , and 3 fumbles qualify under ?
Did I mention Hoyer drove them into easy field goal range , but a Hall of Famer shanked it.
Talk about a poor example.

 

[thirteen28]

seriously its marc bulger all over again.

these back and forths….

Of course, we ended up with Bulger (who was actually decent when he had a good OL) because people so eagerly and zealously ran Kurt Warner out of town as soon has he had a rough patch (which still pissed me off, because I knew he wasn't finished, and lo and behold, he took a shit franchise like the Cardinals to within inches of a Super Bowl title).

Of course, this is what a large portion of the Rams fan base like to do, as soon as a QB (or any player for that matter) has a rough patch, let's run his ass out of town rather than realize that players are human, have their ups and downs, and QBs especially have downs when their OL that is supposed to protect them fails miserably in that task.

And here we are again, with a sizeable chunk of the Rams fanbase ready to exile Goff forever, never mind the OL is one of the worst in the league (if not THE worst) and the head coach is stubbornly refusing to adjust and instead continues to chase his dopamine rush of chunk plays when we clearly cannot pull them off with the same frequency as we did in the prior two seasons because of said OL problems. This segment of the fanbase just never learns.

 

[thirteen28]

If Hoyers 3 TD’s and 1 int.is horrible , what does Goff’s 3 points , 2 ints. , and 3 fumbles qualify under ?
Did I mention Hoyer drove them into easy field goal range , but a Hall of Famer shanked it.
Talk about a poor example.

How is Indy's OL compared to ours?