Free agency thread

[MadGoat]

But he didn't play under the tag which is a bs tactic to hold players . He gambled and he lost but at least he wasn't forced to play for less than he agreed to

You can't really say he was forced to play for less than he agreed to since the franchise tag paid more than his contract did. It's really no different than the 5th year option that first round picks have to play under all the time. It's a pre-determined contract extension that the players' union bargained for in exchange for hundreds of millions in revenue sharing.

 

[pmil66]

Wonder if KC would be interested in Suh, they have 15 million in cap space open with the trade of Ford.

 

[jrry32]

I'm sure it applies better in some situations than others but it seems to be the 'rule of thumb' for as long as I can recall. In any case, I think the whiners got the better end of that deal, contract pending of course.

The team acquiring future picks almost always wins the trade because that future pick is still a 2nd. You can't do any worse than Pick #32 in the 2nd. Thus, when you devalue it by a round, you're always going to get less. It's not like the time value of money because picks don't appreciate. Players have finite careers.

 

[Psycho_X]

holy shit lol. Solves the trade of their safety for Odell.


View: https://twitter.com/asilversteinTV/status/1105636927724646400

 

[Merlin]

Why do we need another RB again?

John Kelly looked promising

Probably not a popular opinion but IMO a backup has one job: be ready when needed and produce. His window was last year and he missed it. Maybe the Rams give him another shot, but given Gurley's status I think that backup job is critical and they need to bring someone in who has a nice one cut and go style.

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49ers LB Kwon Alexander's four-year, $54 million contract contains just $14.25 million guaranteed. OverTheCap.com has the numbers, and Alexander gets a $4 million signing bonus, $8.5 million first-year roster bonus, and $1.75 million base salary for 2019, accounting for the full allotment of guaranteed money on the deal. If Alexander doesn't rebound from his torn ACL, the Niners can easily escape the contract in 2020. In hindsight, it's not that bad of a deal for the team.

SOURCE: OverTheCap.com 13 Mar 2019, 10:13

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9ers now signing veteran free agents with a priority on getting F'd. Oh how low the mighty have fallen. And I love it.

 

[dieterbrock]

But at least he gets to play on his term .Franchise tag is bs .

 

[12intheBox]

Probably not a popular opinion but IMO a backup has one job: be ready when needed and produce. His window was last year and he missed it. Maybe the Rams give him another shot, but given Gurley's status I think that backup job is critical and they need to bring someone in who has a nice one cut and go style.

He was a rookie - pass blocking is hard. Give him time to develop

 

[snackdaddy]

Rams better think about strengthening the OL, with Saffold gone and Whitworth at 38 and two new starters with just a few snaps in real games. Add to that a bench that is a huge drop off of talent and experience of Murphy, Darrell Wiiliams, Neary and Demby. One or two injuries and the Rams OL in is huge trouble. Groy would be big insurance at G or C.

Whatever happens they do need to draft some linemen, But I'd feel a lot better about a couple vets backing up than unproven rookies. Draft some future replacements and hope they're not pressed into duty before they're ready.

 

[Psycho_X]

View: https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1105649803814453248


That makes it official. Browns will cruise to the AFC championship as the super bowl favorites only to lose to the Patriots on a bonehead penalty by Ray Ray to end the game.

 

[Ram_Rally]

You can't really say he was forced to play for less than he agreed to since the franchise tag paid more than his contract did. It's really no different than the 5th year option that first round picks have to play under all the time. It's a pre-determined contract extension that the players' union bargained for in exchange for hundreds of millions in revenue sharing.

Yeah but he didn really agree to that .a fifth year option is still a part of the original contract .GM's can accept it or Turn it down. A franchise tag is much different.

 

[dang]

And who are the coaches for the Browns?? I am asking because I have heard of some of the names but don't really know their credentials.

 

[Angry Ram]

Wow the offseason playoffs are off to a huge start!

In the NFC, the Lions are making a push for most money to a meh player over the defending champion Redskins, who again signed another name safety that will be off the team in a couple years!!!

There are new faces over in the AFC, as the Cleveland Browns and Oakland Raiders are making move after move. The defending champion Dolphins are on their ropes!

Tune in, and who will ultimately become, the OFFSEASON CHAMPIONS?!?!?!?!?

 

[MadGoat]

Yeah but he didn really agree to that .a fifth year option is still a part of the original contract .GM's can accept it or Turn it down. A franchise tag is much different.

How is a 5th year option different than a franchise tag? Neither is negotiated as part of the player contract. GMs can chose to use a franchise tag or not use it. It adds an additional year to the players contract based on a predetermined salary formula. Both were agreed to as part of the CBA in exchange for adding percentage points to the amount of revenue the players receive in the salary cap. Without the players approving 1st round picks and franchise players would be subject to predetermined contract extensions, the owners would never have agreed to giving so much more to the players as a whole.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Right? Because next year you still have a second, and this year you still have nothing. I don't get how someone comes to the conclusion that a 2 never test is a 3 this year. It can't be used like that. It doesn't make sense.

It's devalued because, for the coming year you take a loss. In this case a good pass rusher on a defense that needs talent now. A second round pick this year would be more valuable to immediately the void created by losing Ford. Having to wait a full year to get a return is clearly not as good of an option. So to quantify it, it's like a third round pick, because they are short for a year.

Sure, it could be the same quality player but by your account a second round pick five years from now is just as valuable. It's not.

 

[Ram_Rally]

How is a 5th year option different than a franchise tag? Neither is negotiated as part of the player contract. GMs can chose to use a franchise tag or not use it. It adds an additional year to the players contract based on a predetermined salary formula. Both were agreed to as part of the CBA in exchange for adding percentage points to the amount of revenue the players receive in the salary cap. Without the players approving 1st round picks and franchise players would be subject to predetermined contract extensions, the owners would never have agreed to giving so much more to the players as a whole.

Well if a fifth year option and a franchise tag were the same thing then there'd be no reason to have both, correct ? When you sign a contract as a first rounder, you sign a 4 year deal but the team has the option to to either let your contract go or pick up an extra year . When a player is franchise tagged he's already honored it's contract in it's entirety and yet the GM gets to say "we don't wanna pay you the contract you want but we don't wanna let you get the contract elsewhere either".
A fifth year option is different because the option is automatically in the contract while the franchise tag can be applied after the contract has expired, which is why players still need to sign their franchise tender. That's the bottom line of how they're very different .

 

[jrry32]

It's devalued because, for the coming year you take a loss. In this case a good pass rusher on a defense that needs talent now. A second round pick this year would be more valuable to immediately the void created by losing Ford. Having to wait a full year to get a return is clearly not as good of an option. So to quantify it, it's like a third round pick, because they are short for a year.

Sure, it could be the same quality player but by your account a second round pick five years from now is just as valuable. It's not.

Except nobody is arguing that there isn't some depreciation. The point being made is dropping it a round is not an accurate valuation. The depreciation comes from your inability to immediately use it in a league where coaches, GMs, and players don't last long. But a second in five years is still a second. So the value of the commodity hasn't dropped. It's simply being discounted because you have to wait to use it.

The problem is that the conventional way of valuing it (dropping it a round for each year) is clearly inadequate. It has resulted in that commodity being undervalued again and again. Thus, we need to reassess how we value it. The conventional method clearly isn't working.

 

[payote75]

Players of interest cut/trade and one free agent
Free agent- Shelton ( to me d-line would be set)
Cut-nick perry (definately worth a shot)
Cut- tj Lang
Cut- Houston (I do believe that to much money)
Possible cut- Everson Griffin (again probably would be to much)
Trade-7th rounder for Zach Brown

Out of these the most realistic combo money wise (since we only have 20 dollars to spend)

Dt- Shelton (could be close to this years Hankins but bit more expensive)
Olb- Perry
Mlb- Brown

Then use our draft to go heavy on the offensive line and cornerback/safeties/secondary
I would feel a lot more comfortable with this path and actually holes would be at least temporarily plugged and allows for us to add depth and hopefully add some diamonds in the rough.

 

[MadGoat]

Well if a fifth year option and a franchise tag were the same thing then there'd be no reason to have both, correct ? When you sign a contract as a first rounder, you sign a 4 year deal but the team has the option to to either let your contract go or pick up an extra year . When a player is franchise tagged he's already honored it's contract in it's entirety and yet the GM gets to say "we don't wanna pay you the contract you want but we don't wanna let you get the contract elsewhere either".
A fifth year option is different because the option is automatically in the contract while the franchise tag can be applied after the contract has expired, which is why players still need to sign their franchise tender. That's the bottom line of how they're very different .

The mechanism may be different, but the result is the same, limiting a player's ability to hit free agency. When a GM picks up a player's 5th year option, you don't think the player would rather be a free agent? The GM gets to say "we don't wanna pay you the contract you want but we don't wanna let you get the contract elsewhere either".

The key point is that the players agreed to these options to improve the overall percentage of revenue they receive. It's not "B.S." as you originally stated, it's a valuable concession which has earned hundreds of millions for all NFL players.

 

[Adi]

So who's winning the AFC
Browns Bills or Raiders?

 

[Ram_Rally]

The mechanism may be different, but the result is the same, limiting a player's ability to hit free agency. When a GM picks up a player's 5th year option, you don't think the player would rather be a free agent? The GM gets to say "we don't wanna pay you the contract you want but we don't wanna let you get the contract elsewhere either".

The key point is that the players agreed to these options to improve the overall percentage of revenue they receive. It's not "B.S." as you originally stated, it's a valuable concession which has earned hundreds of millions for all NFL players.

Just because the result is the same doesn't make them the same though does it? Again, the fifth year option is included in the contract . There's no real argument against it .a franchise tag however happens after the player has committed all they are obligated to . That's why players have to sign a franchise tender, thus agreeing to it's terms but they don't have to sign a fifth year option, because it's already in the agreed upon terms .

And your option is that the franchise tag isn't bs .That's fine , have your opinion. But in my opinion, once a player has honored their contract (again, not like the rookie contract that has a built in option) then they should be allowed to negotiate their teams . Not be told that they have to play past their agreed upon contract . That's why Bell won either way .even if the Jets/Ravens offer him less overall money he at least has a say in what he's willing to settle for, unlike if he had played on the tag .