Eagles bench Carson Wentz

[FrantikRam]

I hope I'm not one of those hypocritical ones? I'm not saying Goff would be any better without the supporting cast. I'm talking about very real flaws of Wentz.

Wentz has had two major injuries - once in his rookie year (to his forearm, if I'm not mistaken); the next in his MVP caliber season. His team flat out doesn't believe in him. He has serious accuracy issues that have been there since he got injured. He is a poor pocket passer, and without his previous mobility, he's a sitting duck with scattershot accuracy. He has flat-out refused anything that could help him.

Goff has not been badly injured in any game in his NFL career, and while he has his own major flaws, he at least looks like he can overcome them. Goff needs to learn to live another down, his poise against pressure needs work, he needs to learn how to navigate the pocket, and he cannot turn the ball over.

But Goff has the necessary tools to succeed: an arm that is accurate and strong, a resistance to injury, an even-keeled demeanor that goes to the next play, the confidence of his teammates and coach, and the drive to get better (i.e., admitting he has flaws, unlike Wentz.)

That's why the Goff/Wentz debate should be over. Wentz is a disappointment at best; a bust at worst. Goff...well, it remains to be seen, but he at least has the potential to be elite, but a floor of being a good enough quarterback to win with.

I don't think you are.

However, there's no way they win the Super Bowl without him so it does beg the question: how much is one Super Bowl win worth? Hopefully we win at least one and this won't be a discussion.

 

[oldnotdead]

This is just a desperate move by a desperate coach. Wentz will be in Philly next year because of his $59.2M dead cap in 2021. No one will trade with that kind of money owed. The extension at the time made no sense considering his injury history. So what do they do if Hurts looks good down the stretch? I doubt it because the problems with the Eagles go beyond Wentz.

The Eagles are screwed no matter what they do. If they release Wentz they will carry a dead cap on him for two years of around $30M in 2021 with about $29M in 2022.

I see the Eagles simply sitting Wentz to completely heal and be coached up this year. The reloading with Wentz as their QB next year, hoping they can build a decent team around him in 2021. I assume they feel that giving Hurts the quality starting reps this year can only help his development and perhaps giving them an option in 2022.

From a FO point of view, it's would look like their only option. IMO this is Hurts' audition for 2022 and beyond. For Wentz 2021 would look to be his final chance to prove his worth as a franchise QB.

 

[TXRams86]

I hope I'm not one of those hypocritical ones? I'm not saying Goff would be any better without the supporting cast. I'm talking about very real flaws of Wentz.

Wentz has had two major injuries - once in his rookie year (to his forearm, if I'm not mistaken); the next in his MVP caliber season. His team flat out doesn't believe in him. He has serious accuracy issues that have been there since he got injured. He is a poor pocket passer, and without his previous mobility, he's a sitting duck with scattershot accuracy. He has flat-out refused anything that could help him.

Goff has not been badly injured in any game in his NFL career, and while he has his own major flaws, he at least looks like he can overcome them. Goff needs to learn to live another down, his poise against pressure needs work, he needs to learn how to navigate the pocket, and he cannot turn the ball over.

But Goff has the necessary tools to succeed: an arm that is accurate and strong, a resistance to injury, an even-keeled demeanor that goes to the next play, the confidence of his teammates and coach, and the drive to get better (i.e., admitting he has flaws, unlike Wentz.)

That's why the Goff/Wentz debate should be over. Wentz is a disappointment at best; a bust at worst. Goff...well, it remains to be seen, but he at least has the potential to be elite, but a floor of being a good enough quarterback to win with.

He also had a back injury, last year I want to say? Doesn't change the fact that he is a bust.

 

[jrry32]

Well, the Carson Wentz era is over in Philly. You don't bench a starter who can play and expect him to forgive that. He may deserve it, but I expect Wentz to play for a different team next year.

This is one of those days where Rams fans need to be grateful for McVay (and the ones who want to bench Goff need to regain some perspective). Goff's first 11 games in 2019 weren't all that different statistically from Wentz's first 12 games of 2020. But McVay made adjustments and let Goff shoot himself out of his slump (to steal a basketball idiom). Goff finished with good numbers over the final 5 games in 2019. Benching Wentz now deprives him of that opportunity.

IMO, Wentz is more than capable of addressing the deficiencies in his game this off-season and bouncing back next year (Favre, Roethlisberger, and plenty of others have done it). But if you're Philly, you almost have to send Pederson packing, because I can't see how that HC-QB relationship can bounce back. I could always be wrong, but this seems like a desperation move where Pederson is scapegoating his QB (who is part of the problem but far from the only problem).

It wasn't so long ago that Pederson was being lauded for his amazing job coaching. Many here didn't buy it. Why does the media get so carried away?

Because he won a Super Bowl with Foles and beat Brady/Belichick in the process. He hasn't been the same since his brain trust left (Reich at OC and DeFilippo at QB Coach).

 

[Loyal]

Kurt Warner was benched in NY for Eli.
Then gets the full time gig in AZ.

Fitzpatrick may apply here as well.

I meant with the same team and not with a different one

 

[PARAM]

Kurt Warner was benched in NY for Eli.
Then gets the full time gig in AZ.

Fitzpatrick may apply here as well.

Was Tannehill benched in Miami for Brock Osweiller?

 

[Mojo Ram]

Yeah i polled 32 Nfl GM's this morning and it was unanimous. They'd rather have Goff. I asked them why and they said they don't listen to ESPN, watch YouTube or read fan message boards.

 

[TXRams86]

Yeah i polled 32 Nfl GM's this morning and it was unanimous. They'd rather have Goff. I asked them why and they said they don't listen to ESPN, watch YouTube or read fan message boards.

You could have gone without polling the Jets GM. No one cares what that guy thinks.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Can anyone remember when a starter has been benched for anything but an injury and then later came back to being the full time starter? There might be one, but I can't remember it, if so. Or at least working out over the long run...

Alex Smith in SF?

I can’t remember if he was benched... but he didn’t have his first 90.0 QB rating until his 6th season. He’s averaged north of that over the last 7 seasons.

Late bloomer!

 

[RaminExile]

Pederson is a terrible coach, but Wentz is playing so unbelievably bad he had to make a change. The guy's mechanics are all over the place. He's pigeon-toeing, overstriding, his hips are locked, and he doesn't even trust himself to throw to the open guy anymore because of it. He really is playing at the level of one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen at this level. Why it's happened I do not know. Maybe being on a bad team. Maybe being hurt too much and losing his mobility. Maybe some mental aspect.

Fact is, he regressed under pressure to his college mechanics - without the mobility. That tells me, after five years as a pro, he has NEVER done enough repetitions of his new mechanics to get those cemented into his muscle memory so they don't go out of the window under pressure (10,000 reps/10,000 hours they say is necessary for that for the neural networks to form). Thats an issue for the CBA to look at now guys can't practice in the offseason as much I think.

 

[Ewe83]

Sorry for Carson, but not all the people that gave me shit for wanting Goff over Wentz

 

[GBRam15]

He Wentz so long with his starter to the point that it Hurts his team. Like getting kicked in the groin until your Zach Ertz.

Hahaha, pretty good sir. I feel a little slow because it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what "your Zach Ertz" meant.

 

[Memento]

I don't think you are.

However, there's no way they win the Super Bowl without him so it does beg the question: how much is one Super Bowl win worth? Hopefully we win at least one and this won't be a discussion.

A Super Bowl win is worth everything, but having multiple chances and multiple Super Bowls - like I believe we can get to and the Eagles, at the moment, cannot? That's worth more.

Wentz won them plenty of games, true, but in the eyes of his teammates, Foles was the one who picked them up and won the Super Bowl (which is also true), and he was sent packing. Wentz has had numerous injuries and is no longer mobile and no longer accurate. Can you blame his teammates for not believing in him?

Pederson deserves to be sacked, and the GM should go right after him, but if the Eagles are smart, Wentz should go right after both. He's unsalvageable, much like Gurley was to us. The Eagles need to completely rebuild, aside from a few defensive pieces and Lane Johnson on offense. See what Hurts can do.

I don't fault the Hurts move because Wentz - one way or another - is no longer going to play for Philly. That much was stated when Hurts was drafted in the second round.

 

[TexasRam]

The Eagles Oline has been completely decimated this year.

At one point 80% of their Oline were guys that never played a snap in the NFL.

Plus the WR’s and RB’s have been injured.

It’s even worse than what Goff faced last year, if anyone can remember that.

Sitting Wentz is the right move because Hertz can move around better behind this Oline.

Wentz ain’t done.

 

[RamDino]

Carson Wentz was having an MVP-type season before he got hurt, but he hasn't finished a season for three straight years. Now he's benched for poor play. Goff also had an MVP-type season, but he has also never missed a game, especially the important ones, like NFC Championship games and Super Bowls and stuff like that. I was a big Wentz fan, but there is no comparison between the two at this point. Their stats may be similar, but Goff has been far, far more valuable to his team. JMHO.

 

[Loyal]

Alex Smith in SF?

I can’t remember if he was benched... but he didn’t have his first 90.0 QB rating until his 6th season. He’s averaged north of that over the last 7 seasons.

Late bloomer!

Again, I was talking about being benched without an injury and then returning to start successfully for the same team. T remember Kaep retaining the starting job over Alex Smith and Smith left the team before becoming a starter again...

 

[Loyal]

The Eagles Oline has been completely decimated this year.

At one point 80% of their Oline were guys that never played a snap in the NFL.

Plus the WR’s and RB’s have been injured.

It’s even worse than what Goff faced last year, if anyone can remember that.

Sitting Wentz is the right move because Hertz can move around better behind this Oline.

Wentz ain’t done.

In Philly, he's done. Stick a fork in him you want confirmation..

 

[Billy Baroo]

Trade to Colts makes a lot of sense. Reunite him with Reich. Rivers won’t be around much longer. Indy has a ton of cap space.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

The actual Carson Wentz is Josh Allen.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I meant with the same team and not with a different one

Ahhh. Well thats different!

...I cant think of any off hand either