Eagles bench Carson Wentz

[oldnotdead]

You know what? Who TF cares? Goff is our guy and I'm glad for it. He's talented and mentally and physically tough. The Rams have a legit franchise talent at QB and IMO that is all that matters. Philly destroyed Wentz without developing him. They went out and got mismatched FA talent that couldn't and didn't stick around. Instead of building around Carson as the Rams did with Jared, they went for the quick win, instant gratification route and now they are paying the price. BOO Freaking HOO, they created the situation and in the process ruined their expensive franchise QB.

This is what happens when you have an inept FO and poor coaching. For all those who question Snead & McVay, you only need to look as far as Philly to see how it could be without them.

I for one shed no tears for them. Comparing Carson and Jared is an exercise in futility because it simply doesn't matter. The Rams have built a perennial contender around Goff, and Philly didn't do likewise with Wentz. Carson will get one more year to prove himself, in 2021 but unless they rebuild the team around him the result will be the same. Worse yet Carson needs a total rebuild personally, in all his mechanics and most of all in his head.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

This is one of those days where Rams fans need to be grateful for McVay (and the ones who want to bench Goff need to regain some perspective). Goff's first 11 games in 2019 weren't all that different statistically from Wentz's first 12 games of 2020. But McVay made adjustments and let Goff shoot himself out of his slump (to steal a basketball idiom). Goff finished with good numbers over the final 5 games in 2019. Benching Wentz now deprives him of that opportunity.

IMO, Wentz is more than capable of addressing the deficiencies in his game this off-season and bouncing back next year (Favre, Roethlisberger, and plenty of others have done it). But if you're Philly, you almost have to send Pederson packing, because I can't see how that HC-QB relationship can bounce back. I could always be wrong, but this seems like a desperation move where Pederson is scapegoating his QB (who is part of the problem but far from the only problem).



Because he won a Super Bowl with Foles and beat Brady/Belichick in the process. He hasn't been the same since his brain trust left (Reich at OC and DeFilippo at QB Coach).

Yep. It seems his assistants had a lot to do with but didn't get as much credit

 

[Karate61]

This news of Wentz's benching really makes me...happy!

 

[FarNorth]

I think we remember the promise of Carson Wentz, more than the reality of him. Pederson's scheme suited a more durablke version of Wentz. The NFL fauned over him and loved to contrast him with the pathetic Jared Goff. "Rams screwed up." they said. As the season wore on, Snead disappeared from view and Fisher looked more and more isolated. The season tanked and then Fisher threw Goff to the wolves, hoping for a miracle that would save his job. and no miracle was coming. I think that last self-pitying goodbye by Fisher was his worst moment as a professional coach.

In any case, we all chose to forget his injury history (Wentz's) from college. The talking heads never forgave Goff for doing well the next year, never giving him credit and only crediting Sean McVay. McVay deserved credit, but Goff deserved more than he ever received as we all waited the return, breathlessly, for Carson the Great to return He never did, of course.

Some of us didn't forget Wentz' injury history and, even worse, his reckless aggression with his body in the NFL. It was foreseeable that approach would end badly, and at the moment it certainly seems to be headed that way.

But I actually hope he can come back.

 

[TexasRam]

Some of us didn't forget Wentz' injury history and, even worse, his reckless aggression with his body in the NFL. It was foreseeable that approach would end badly, and at the moment it certainly seems to be headed that way.

But I actually hope he can come back.

I blame these coaches for letting franchise QB's run around. If I am an owner and I am paying a guy 130 million I want no history of major injury and running around taking hits. It's possible that is what is going on here as well. They could see the state of their Oline and skilled positions and say lets get Wentz out of there.

This is where the Rams are smart. You will constantly see them rest Donald when possible and protect Goff by burning clock at the end of games.

There is a strong possibility that Hertz has some terrible games to finish the year and then you see Wentz come back strong next year playing at a high level again with his supporting cast healthy.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Goff over Wentz namely because Franchise pocket passers are the better bet. Wentz coming out was known to want to run around and take contact. I am not some Wentz backer that like him over Goff, I am just someone who sees his situation and think its unfair to blame him for where the team is this year.

 

[CGI_Ram]

The Eagles are 35-32-1 with Wentz under center. They're 10-3 without him under center.....6-2 in the regular season, 4-1 in the PS. There's a statue outside the Linc in Philly for the "Philly Special". It's Pederson giving the play to Foles!!! What a bad existence in Philly. Headed for MVP in year two, miss the Superbowl. Watch the unveiling of a statue with your replacement. Have to deal with comments from ex-team mates that you're self centered, 'it's all about you'. Have the guy in statue take over a 5-6 team after you're injured again and take them to the playoffs. The next year, get to the playoffs and get injured AGAIN (3rd time) after going 1 of 4 for 3 yards. Then get benched the next year for a rookie running QB. There's one good thing to say.....with a career like that, you don't need to play for the Jets to have a crap career.

 

[UKram]

This isn't directed toward you - but this comment made me wonder.

If Goff had Wentz' supporting cast this year (and, more specifically, the injuries that the Eagles have had), if Rams fans would echo that Goff was a bust?

Last year Goff and Wentz were very comparable, in 2018 Goff was much better, in 2017 Wentz was better (prior to the injury). Their careers have been pretty similar until this year, but again, the Eagles supporting cast...

Goff hasn’t had a losing season since mcvay got here. Took us to a super bowl ... is 32-0 when leading at halftime .. and rams fans are still calling him a bust and want to move on

I think that may answer your question

 

[CGI_Ram]

Goff hasn’t had a losing season since mcvay got here. Took us to a super bowl ... is 32-0 when leading at halftime .. and rams fans are still calling him a bust and want to move on

I think that may answer your question

Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Burrow, Tua... Thats your top QBs the last couple drafts....

Who wants to play that roulette wheel?

Or we’ll find the next Patrick Mahomes that everyone somehow missed?

 

[CGI_Ram]

Trade to Colts makes a lot of sense. Reunite him with Reich. Rivers won’t be around much longer. Indy has a ton of cap space.

I still think Wentz will land somewhere he can bounce back. A scenario like this would be ideal.

 

[Loyal]

I still think Wentz will land somewhere he can bounce back. A scenario like this would be ideal.

What, do we want Wolford to settle in as the 2 QB? Bring in Wentz for competition as the back up!

 

[RhodyRams]

What, do we want Wolford to settle in as the 2 QB? Bring in Wentz for competition as the back up!

ya know, thought about that last night. I'm not sure about the salary cap ramifications tho. Which team would be on the hook for his 60 mill over the next 2-3 years?

 

[TexasRam]

What, do we want Wolford to settle in as the 2 QB? Bring in Wentz for competition as the back up!

How bout no

 

[RamDino]

They're still comparable.

Wentz has not finished the past 3 seasons. I really don't think that's comparable, and I'm a big Wentz fan. Durability has to count for something. Goff has played in playoff games, NFC championships, and Super Bowls. Wentz has not.

 

[RhodyRams]

oh yay..it's the NEWGD

except now there is no more fence to sit on, AD99 knocked it down

 

[FrantikRam]

He had nothing to do with the Super Bowl ring, zippo
Foles brought the team back to beat the Rams, then won 2 more reg season games before the 3 game run to the SB.
Then the Eagles dont make the playoffs in 2018 unless Wentz taps out, Foles takes over and leads them to 4-1 record and an upset of Chicago
Wentz has no playoff success, he has 2 3 and outs in the playoffs to his name. And Goff has 2 wins.
You're willing to make that trade?

If Foles starts the whole season in 2017, do they win the Super Bowl? Hell no. It was only Wentz MVP level season that had them there in the first place.

Foles brought them back? Wow man your bias for and against QBs is staggering. When Wentz left the game, the Eagles were winning. They exchanged FGs and then Chris Long got a strip sack of Goff where they were basically already in FG range. Wentz was the main reason why they were able to win the Super Bowl.

I said I would trade the playoff success of the Eagles and Rams since they were drafted, and all of us would to get that Super Bowl. They don't get home field without Wentz and they don't make the Super Bowl without home field. It's that simple.

It's pretty telling that you afford Goff excuses or reasons for struggling that you're not willing to afford another QB. Prior to this year he's statistically been better than Goff. Wins and losses are close, although more wins to Goff. The only knock on him prior to this year was injuries. This year his supporting cast has been one of the worst in the NFL.

 

[Tano]

Goff hasn’t had a losing season since mcvay got here. Took us to a super bowl ... is 32-0 when leading at halftime .. and rams fans are still calling him a bust and want to move on

I think that may answer your question

Get it right - 33-0

 

[dieterbrock]

Foles brought them back? Wow man your bias for and against QBs is staggering. When Wentz left the game, the Eagles were winning.

Bruh... Did you even watch the game? When Foles took the field, the Rams were up 35-31

I said I would trade the playoff success of the Eagles and Rams since they were drafted, and all of us would to get that Super Bowl.

Playoff success? Like Tony Banks playoff success? He's got a SB ring
Wentz played in 1 playoff game, and they lost. Goff won 2 playoff games. You're willing to make that trade and accuse me of a bias? Thats rich!

They don't get home field without Wentz and they don't make the Super Bowl without home field. It's that simple.

Simple? No, that's false. They had 10 wins with Wentz, and were trailing 35-31 when Foles took over. There's no guarantees when one QB replaces another. Foles proved in 2018 he was a better QB for that team. Philly needed 13 wins to earn home field, and Foles was the QB that got those last 3 wins. And of course the most important wins in the Playoffs.
I think you and Wentz mom are the only 2 people still clambering for the guy

 

[UKram]

Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Burrow, Tua... Thats your top QBs the last couple drafts....

Who wants to play that roulette wheel?

Or we’ll find the next Patrick Mahomes that everyone somehow missed?

That’s not a bet I’d make and honestly I’d take goff over every one of those QBs mentioned ... except mahomes on the basis he brings hill and Kelce with him

 

[FrantikRam]

Bruh... Did you even watch the game? When Foles took the field, the Rams were up 35-31

Playoff success? Like Tony Banks playoff success? He's got a SB ring
Wentz played in 1 playoff game, and they lost. Goff won 2 playoff games. You're willing to make that trade and accuse me of a bias? Thats rich!

Simple? No, that's false. They had 10 wins with Wentz, and were trailing 35-31 when Foles took over. There's no guarantees when one QB replaces another. Foles proved in 2018 he was a better QB for that team. Philly needed 13 wins to earn home field, and Foles was the QB that got those last 3 wins. And of course the most important wins in the Playoffs.
I think you and Wentz mom are the only 2 people still clambering for the guy

I'm not clambering for the guy - I think he's a below average QB. But I think it's hilarious how when Goff has a bad game, it's a team sport - McVay was bad and the WRs aren't that good. If those two are true, then what the hell has Wentz been dealing with? A much worse play caller with much worse WRs, not to mention one of the worst OL situations.

But thanks! You've lost so much credibility for assessing QBs logically I'll bow out here.

 

[Classic Rams]

Obviously Wentz has a lot worse WRs, RBs, OL, and coaching than the Rams have. Thinking a change of scenery may do him good. Get him into a favorable environment and make a final assessment. No QB plays good the last 2 years with the crap the Eagles have had, including injuries.