Deshaun Watson wants to be traded. Bears?

[TSFH Fan]

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I get the feeling if Easterby-Littlefinger is calling the shots, viewing draft compensation in the regular way is not how to look at a potential Watson trade. I mean the SI article makes dude seem to have weaponized religious beliefs.

Easterby played a part in moving DeAndre Hopkins. BoB, perhaps speaking for himself, or with Easterby on his butt, criticized Hopkins for his baby mamas being around -- i.e., Bob got onto Hopkins for his un-religious-like lifestyle. They then trade Hopkins for a washed running back with strong religious beliefs (see here too). Sure BoB gets credit for the trade, but it's hard to ignore Easterby's presence there. Next, for wide receiver production, they get Brandin Cooks, who also professes deep religiousness (another link). Neither trade really makes sense, unless the Texans were placing religion above football reasons, right?

Of course it all could be a coincidence. But if not, the Rams need to include Cooper Kupp in the trade talks. I'd not offer three 6th round draft choices - that would go over poorly with Littlefinger. But traditional draft capital might not be the way to look at this thing.

Edit: Also, who the heck else wanted David Culley? No one. What did he do with WRs in his career? Nothing. Any solid football reason to hire him? No. Any non-football reason why Easterby might want him? Well maybe, " Culley is a high-energy coach known for his positive nature and deep Christian faith. "

 

[WarnerToBruce]

Janice McNair: Ring...Ring...Ring
Watson: .....

D. Cal McNair: Ring...Ring...Ring
Watson: .....

Jamey Rootes: Ring...Ring...Ring
Watson: .....

Jack Easterby: Ring...Ring...Ring
Watson: .....

Nick Caserio: Ring...Ring
Watson: Lose this number. Click.

David Culley: Ring...Ring...Ring
Watson: .....

Max Kellerman: Ring...Ring...Ring
Watson: .....

DeAndre Hopkins: (Text) Waaaahaaaah
Watson: (Text) LOL

Jalen Ramsey: Ring
Watson: ROFL

 

[Barrison]

How about the effect on Jared's play the last two seasons? Does McVay have any effect on that, or only on the parts where Goff did good?

Lol hold up hold up hold up are we seriously blaming McVay for Goff regressing? Its not like Goff was setting the world on fire with Fisher as the coach. As much as McVay is willing to shoulder the blame when he is the one thats at fault if he was failing Goff he and Snead would not be so openly critical of Goff.

 

[…..]

So much passion about a theoretical. It’s such a long shot, almost not worth considering. We may trade Jared, but I doubt it’s for Watson. The Wolfy era has begun...

Interesting and brave take in this neck of the woods.

 

[Merlin]

I'm starting to suspect this Easterby dude purposely made that hire without consulting Watson to get him to lose his mind and ask for the trade. Because guys like him (and the Shaw comp by jrry I think is very appropriate here) don't understand that they're going to screw up the picks and probably won't end up with anyone of Watson's talent.

IF that is the case and IF these rumors are true then it's a twist of glorious irony that Watson effs him over and makes him trade him to the Rams for what would be a less-than-ideal package that what he would have gotten from 80% of the other teams.

 

[Corbin]

The McVay blame here is insane man. People want to point the finger..OL, McVay etc. Don't you think there's a chance Goff is just an average QB? That his best two years came with an elite supporting cast and top 5 OL?

And now hes making $35M per year no longer on his rookie deal, and its impossible to surround him with that talent again? You act like McVay doesn't know what he's doing. Why would he want to trade Goff if he thought he was a great player??

It really is. The talk years back made me laugh of those here calling Goff and elite QB and then chastising anybody who said anything otherwise. Where are they now? smh. The same exact posters who are 100% dug in and won't hear anything else because that means they are wrong. As is our society now. Tribalism at it's finest.

Technically 3 OL changes. We had 3 lineman playing at a pro-bowl level. And the line graded out as top 5. 3 years younger Whitworth who made the pro bowl, Saffold was a monster who should have, and Sulivan was an ex-pro bowl center.

Throw in a healthy Cooks and the best RB on planet earth who scored 40 TDs in two seasons. 40 TDs. Think about that number. Gurley averaged 20TDs a season for those two years.

That's why you have to take advantage of your shot when you get it. With Goff making $35M now there's no way we give him that surrounding talent again. And you cant have a $35M player under performing you just cant.

You would think the answer to this would be common sense with an average ram fan but common sense is not very common sometimes. What changed?

An All Pro RB that hid or at least covered the deficiencies of an average to an above average QB that cannot produce without a Pro Bowl line, a All Pro RB, and a deep threat.

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I get the feeling if Easterby-Littlefinger is calling the shots, viewing draft compensation in the regular way is not how to look at a potential Watson trade. I mean the SI article makes dude seem to have weaponized religious beliefs.

Easterby played a part in moving DeAndre Hopkins. BoB, perhaps speaking for himself, or with Easterby on his butt, criticized Hopkins for his baby mamas being around -- i.e., Bob got onto Hopkins for his un-religious-like lifestyle. They then trade Hopkins for a washed running back with strong religious beliefs (see here too). Sure BoB gets credit for the trade, but it's hard to ignore Easterby's presence there. Next, for wide receiver production, they get Brandin Cooks, who also professes deep religiousness (another link). Neither trade really makes sense, unless the Texans were placing religion above football reasons, right?

Of course it all could be a coincidence. But if not, the Rams need to include Cooper Kupp in the trade talks. I'd not offer three 6th round draft choices - that would go over poorly with Littlefinger. But traditional draft capital might not be the way to look at this thing.

I'm starting to suspect this Easterby dude purposely made that hire without consulting Watson to get him to lose his mind and ask for the trade. Because guys like him (and the Shaw comp by jrry I think is very appropriate here) don't understand that they're going to screw up the picks and probably won't end up with anyone of Watson's talent.

IF that is the case and IF these rumors are true then it's a twist of glorious irony that Watson effs him over and makes him trade him to the Rams for what would be a less-than-ideal package that what he would have gotten from 80% of the other teams.

People like Easterby strike me as an egotistical billionaire (in general) as most are and say and do as they please. I'm thinking this is why he didn't hold his own promises to Deshaun hole, although who knows maybe for some weird reason he wants him out? I'm thinking the former is way more likely observing fantastically wealthy individuals.

Either way whatever team it is Watson goes to I'm thinking along your mindset is they have not damage controlled this and have screwed the pooch in devaluing what their compensation they get back in return is. Going to be interesting how this turns out.

 

[thirteen28]

Lol hold up hold up hold up are we seriously blaming McVay for Goff regressing? Its not like Goff was setting the world on fire with Fisher as the coach. As much as McVay is willing to shoulder the blame when he is the one thats at fault if he was failing Goff he and Snead would not be so openly critical of Goff.

Was it Goff who let Saffold walked and prioritized defensive FA signings over OL? Was it Goff who decided we could roll another year with Blythe at C and didn't need to bring in any OL help? Was it Goff that did the predictable playcalls, or designed an offense where teams could sit on our WR routes? Because I don't remember him doing those things. Please help me out and cite some evidence to show that Goff is responsible for those parts of the offense as well as the other stuff he has control over (e.g., turnovers, which admittedly have been a problem but not something that can't be cured).

 

[Ramit]

Makes you wonder how good the team could be if we had a deep threat and an upgrade at center that people have been asking for since McVay didn't resign Sullivan.

Sullivan was a turnstile in the SB and deteriorating with age.

 

[Barrison]

Was it Goff who let Saffold walked and prioritized defensive FA signings over OL? Was it Goff who decided we could roll another year with Blythe at C and didn't need to bring in any OL help? Was it Goff that did the predictable playcalls, or designed an offense where teams could sit on our WR routes? Because I don't remember him doing those things. Please help me out and cite some evidence to show that Goff is responsible for those parts of the offense as well as the other stuff he has control over (e.g., turnovers, which admittedly have been a problem but not something that can't be cured).

No but it was Goff that signed a massive extension that prevented us from putting as much talent around him and without being surrounded by said talent his weaknesses were exposed. Nature of the beast after taking that raise, naturally you're not gonna be able to have as much talent around you and going to have to win with less.

 

[Corbin]

Offseason Watson to Rams supporters

 

[thirteen28]

Sullivan was a turnstile in the SB and deteriorating with age.

Sullivan got old in a hurry in 2018 and I think letting him go was more than defensible. They thought in 2019 they could roll with Brian Allen, and I won't fault them for giving it a try. But it wasn't working out at all before he got hurt that year and they apparently saw everything we saw because he never got his job back this year. What's baffling is that they thought they could go with Blythe again. His play started declining in 2018 as well (around the same time as Sullivan's), and has been mostly bad since then, save for a few games in 2019 when he took over C (but even then, was no better than average).

Just for the life of me can't understand what they were thinking with that one.

 

[thirteen28]

No but it was Goff that signed a massive extension that prevented us from putting as much talent around him and without being surrounded by said talent his weaknesses were exposed. Nature of the beast after taking that raise, naturally you're not gonna be able to have as much talent around you and going to have to win with less.

A massive extension for which McVay pounded the table for him to get.

 

[OldSchool]

Technically 3 OL changes. We had 3 lineman playing at a pro-bowl level. And the line graded out as top 5. 3 years younger Whitworth who made the pro bowl, Saffold was a monster who should have, and Sulivan was an ex-pro bowl center.

Throw in a healthy Cooks and the best RB on planet earth who scored 40 TDs in two seasons. 40 TDs. Think about that number. Gurley averaged 20TDs a season for those two years.

That's why you have to take advantage of your shot when you get it. With Goff making $35M now there's no way we give him that surrounding talent again. And you cant have a $35M player under performing you just cant.

We have an amazing young RB and a very good backup. We can add a speed threat for 1/10th the price of Cooks and we can draft good young linemen. We can improve this team. I tell you what we can't do is trade away 3 or 4 or more picks including first rounders and improve this roster around Watson. We can improve this team but not if we keep fucking up our cap space and trading away all our first round picks. We are eventually going to need a LT to replace Whit. Aren't likely to get him this year with no 1st or 2nd round pick. Chances go down for a starting LT every round and we're going to have to trade away at least the next 2 if not 3 1st rounders to get Watson. Hav only has a couple years left Edwards and Evans the same and Corbett is a free agent after this year. In 2 years time Every one of our top 5 OL is going to be a free agent or retired. Sounds like the makings of a great unit and it should be a cake walk to draft guys in the next couple years to replace them all in the 3rd round or later and with no cap the next two years not many free agents will be signed for it that are any good.

 

[OldSchool]

So much passion about a theoretical. It’s such a long shot, almost not worth considering. We may trade Jared, but I doubt it’s for Watson. The Wolfy era has begun...

Heaven help us

 

[Shuie3225]

We have an amazing young RB and a very good backup. We can add a speed threat for 1/10th the price of Cooks and we can draft good young linemen. We can improve this team. I tell you what we can't do is trade away 3 or 4 or more picks including first rounders and improve this roster around Watson. We can improve this team but not if we keep fucking up our cap space and trading away all our first round picks. We are eventually going to need a LT to replace Whit. Aren't likely to get him this year with no 1st or 2nd round pick. Chances go down for a starting LT every round and we're going to have to trade away at least the next 2 if not 3 1st rounders to get Watson. Hav only has a couple years left Edwards and Evans the same and Corbett is a free agent after this year. In 2 years time Every one of our top 5 OL is going to be a free agent or retired. Sounds like the makings of a great unit and it should be a cake walk to draft guys in the next couple years to replace them all in the 3rd round or later and with no cap the next two years not many free agents will be signed for it that are any good.

Someone just asked what the difference was between now and 2018, so I laid it out. There was a lot of offensive pro bowl talent around back then. Not so much anymore and hard to do when your qb is making $35M and no longer on a rookie deal.

 

[OldSchool]

Someone just asked what the difference was between now and 2018, so I laid it out. There was a lot of offensive pro bowl talent around back then. Not so much anymore and hard to do when your qb is making $35M and no longer on a rookie deal.

So we're in a thread advocating trading for a QB who just signed a 4 year $156 million dollar extension to average $39 million a year(minus his signing bonus yes I know) and you're saying we can't build a team around a QB not on a rookie contract? You literally just argued against trading for Watson or Stafford for that matter since he's long since past his rookie deal.

 

[Barrison]

A massive extension for which McVay pounded the table for him to get.

There was no reason for McVay to think Goff would regress after getting paid. He's a good head coach but he's not psychic. Continue thinking its McVay failing Goff and not the other way around but the Miami game was enough for me to see Goff isn't the guy going forward.

 

[Ramit]

How many Super Bowls has Watson got to ?

Explain to me how a team can get this kind of production out of a QB but still remain atrocious.

Listen, the fact is that if McVay had Watson then Watson would be talked about in the same breath as Mahomes. Do you want a Mahomes level talent at QB on the Rams roster? I know my answer, do you?

 

[Barrison]

Explain to me how a team can get this kind of production out of a QB but still remain atrocious.

Listen, the fact is that if McVay had Watson then Watson would be talked about in the same breath as Mahomes. Do you want a Mahomes level talent at QB on the Rams roster? I know my answer, do you?

Preach bruddah

 

[OttawaRamsFan]

If you can get Watson, you do it. Trade your next 3 firsts+. Find a taker for Goff and send those assets to Houston. Whatever it takes.