Deshaun Watson wants to be traded. Bears?

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“We know Jared has struggled at times, but we’ve invested a lot in him and we know he’s a fighter. He showed that during the playoffs. There are things as a coaching staff and as an organization that we can do better too to maximize his talent. Like we said we’re not going to limit our options, but we have faith he can be the QB we know and seen from him in the past.”

Exactly how they should have handled it. I've lost a lot of respect for McVay and Snead the way they handled this one. And if McVay really believes the QB position is the only thing holding back this offense and that improvements to other positions and his scheme and playcalling don't need major upgrades, he's going to be in for a rude awakening. Martz went down this same road and look where it got him.
 

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Exactly how they should have handled it. I've lost a lot of respect for McVay and Snead the way they handled this one. And if McVay really believes the QB position is the only thing holding back this offense and that improvements to other positions and his scheme and playcalling don't need major upgrades, he's going to be in for a rude awakening. Martz went down this same road and look where it got him.

I definitely agree that QB is not the only thing holding this offense back. Which is why even with Watson my expectations will still be simmered some.

I also found it interesting that the Texans have never had a top 10 offense in yards or points with Watson. So as exciting as Watson is. He hasn't really carried a offense all by himself either.
 

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Exactly how they should have handled it. I've lost a lot of respect for McVay and Snead the way they handled this one. And if McVay really believes the QB position is the only thing holding back this offense and that improvements to other positions and his scheme and playcalling don't need major upgrades, he's going to be in for a rude awakening. Martz went down this same road and look where it got him.
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results." - Sir Winston Churchill


The results really speak for themselves.

If this was any other position everybody would be calling for his head but since it's the QB position and people already dug them self in for years with Goff and will die on that hill as is the normalcy in the world in regards to ideological tribalism.
 

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I definitely agree that QB is not the only thing holding this offense back. Which is why even with Watson my expectations will still be simmered some.

I also found it interesting that the Texans have never had a top 10 offense in yards or points with Watson. So as exciting as Watson is. He hasn't really carried a offense all by himself either.

Yeah, you need other players around you, even when you are a top-5 QB. Watson just proved this season that you can get lights out production from the position and still end up 4-12.
 

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Yeah, it's a good thing nobody has been calling for Goff's head ...
Yean any player going out there for a playoff game a few days after having surgery should be cut immediately. And then to perform so well without a thumb on his throwing hand too? What a pile of...
 

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Yean any player going out there for a playoff game a few days after having surgery should be cut immediately. And then to perform so well without a thumb on his throwing hand too? What a pile of...

I remember people on this very board calling him a "pussy" this season.
 

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Yean any player going out there for a playoff game a few days after having surgery should be cut immediately. And then to perform so well without a thumb on his throwing hand too? What a pile of...
Yeah and the organization not having a 3rd QB activated for the game because Goff was so incapable of playing football they started Wolford, yeah and like how they called a QB sneak to an incapable guy who had thumb surgery in the locker room before the game! What a pile of...
 

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I remember people on this very board calling him a "pussy" this season.
The nice thing to remember from your previous seasons scars, Jared Goff is not and no where near Kurt Warner.
 

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Yeah, you need other players around you, even when you are a top-5 QB. Watson just proved this season that you can get lights out production from the position and still end up 4-12.

In all honesty I'm not sure Watson is a bonafide top 5 QB. Top 10? Yes. I haven't seen a lot of Texans games but I've seen enough to notice Watson does have some consistency issues as well in regards to just keeping the offense moving. The Texans were bad last year and down quite a bit. Watson got a his fair share of garbage time stats as well.

All that said. I think it's fair to assume as the Rams are currently structured. Watson could make this offense better. But giving up picks and the current cap situation. He's not going to be working with a abundance of talent.
 

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I disagree. They wouldn't have said anything if a trade wasn't already in place.

Is just bad optics. Hanging goff out there to be ridiculed mercilessly in the media.

So you had a fight with him, no need to be petty about it.

Hope you're right about the trade already being in place. Dissing Goff would still have been gratuitous but at least there would have been a strategy. We will find out I guess.
 

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Yeah, you need other players around you, even when you are a top-5 QB. Watson just proved this season that you can get lights out production from the position and still end up 4-12.

If we just get Watson-- and I'm not assuming that will happen-- imo we will quickly discover that problems in the offense haven't magically vanished. Still need at least a center and a deep threat at receiver and a reset /reload of the scheme.

Even a qb with elite competitive and physical talent needs a highly functioning offense around him.
 

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I disagree. They wouldn't have said anything if a trade wasn't already in place.

The more and more I hear I'm beginning to think this is the case. When have we ever known McVay and Snead to give up a competitive advantage? Add in the Ramsey talk and the fact him and Watson have the same agent..something could have already been agreed upon. That would explain the sudden indifference towards Goff with the media.
 

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Yes, actually, they had been asked about Bradford and his future with the Rams before that trade. Remember he was coming off of two seasons of torn ACLs. Both Fisher and Snead assured everybody that Bradford was our QB going forward pretty much until the time he got traded (and I still remember how salty Jim Thomas of the Post Dispatch was about being lied to by them).

I think what they are doing now - publicly giving Goff a vote of no confidence - is much worse. I weakens their negotiating position if they want to trade him and poisons the well with him if somehow they can't and have to keep him for another season. It would have been much smarter to keep the negative comments behind closed doors and publicly state confidence in him even if they were planning on trading him.

How do we know that this is toxic and Snead hasn't been totally forthright with Goff?

"Listen, so you and your agent know, we're looking at moving on, so you may be traded. If you're not traded, we'll expect you to compete just like anyone else. We can keep this quiet if you'd like or we can go public and maybe help you find a better landing place if that's possible?"

Goff doesn't like the public sphere very much so he just sits quiet until he knows more.

I dunno. It may turn out that the Rams are just not playing this one with class.

That seems totally out of character to me, but we won't know for some time, if ever.

Honestly, outside of Ram fandom, NO ONE even considers the Rams an option so when it's announced, it's gonna be a SHOCKER.

What's funny is that based on what we know, it's moved from "that's crazy" to "that's crazy, but it'd be nice" to "wow, technically it could happen" to "OMG, it may ACTUALLY happen!"

We'll see. We have almost two months to wait (GAAAAH!!!)