Deshaun Watson wants to be traded. Bears?

[FrantikRam]

Coach speak and gm speak. You know when you say a lot of words but say nothing.

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But what would you say?

"He's our QB" - not a good look if he's traded

Anything other than "he's our QB" would have led to this same situation IMO

 

[FrantikRam]

No way. I’d hate that trade. I want Donald to be a Ram for life.

The Texans would hate it too. Awful trade for them. By the time they'd be ready to compete again AD would be retiring

 

[kurtfaulk]

But what would you say?

"He's our QB" - not a good look if he's traded

Anything other than "he's our QB" would have led to this same situation IMO

I'm not adept at it so i wouldn't know but they certainly are. They've been doing it for the 4 years Mcvay has been here and suddenly they decide to be forthcoming.

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[thirteen28]

"He's our QB" - not a good look if he's traded

Why? The organization said Sam Bradford was our QB right up to the time we sent him off to Philly, and there was pretty much zero fallout from that.

 

[jrry32]

What would Goff, Kupp, 2021 2nd and 3rd, 2022 1st, 2023 1st get us?

I wouldn't really want a deal structured that way, personally.

Honestly and i know some will scoff at this but, IMO Houston is going to want a quality experienced QB in return. A transition QB who can win games. I don't see them wanting JUST picks no matter how many they get. So...Darnold, Tua, Trubiski, Garoppolo, Brissett, Bridgewater or a guy like Goff. Clearly Goff is the better QB.

With Caserio being a Patriots guy, I have a feeling that they're going to try to use Jimmy G. as the transition QB. I think our best opportunity is to flip Goff to the Redskins, Patriots, or Colts for a first round pick and then use that in our Watson package.

 

[FrantikRam]

I'm not adept at it so i wouldn't know but they certainly are. They've been doing it for the 4 years Mcvay has been here and suddenly they decide to be forthcoming.

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I think they handled the Gurley situation poorly and this is a reaction to that. We never heard a single bad thing about TG and then he was cut. Although in that case there was no right answer because telling the truth would just put Gurley in a bad situation.

Makes me wonder if some of the players came to McVay and said they didn't like that, which in turn made McVay stop and think that tilting more toward honesty would be the way to go.

I think the issue is that the media asked the question. Once that happened, McVay only had two options: lie, or say any one of ten things that would still produce articles with headlines that read "Rams not committed to Goff for 2021"

 

[FrantikRam]

Why? The organization said Sam Bradford was our QB right up to the time we sent him off to Philly, and there was pretty much zero fallout from that.

Did someone come out and ask about Bradford the way they've asked about Goff?

Plus you're talking Fisher vs McVay here, and a whole host of other differences.

 

[FrantikRam]

I wouldn't really want a deal structured that way, personally.



With Caserio being a Patriots guy, I have a feeling that they're going to try to use Jimmy G. as the transition QB. I think our best opportunity is to flip Goff to the Redskins, Patriots, or Colts for a first round pick and then use that in our Watson package.

If we traded Goff to the Patriots I think 20% of this forum would just immediately die.

 

[jrry32]

If we traded Goff to the Patriots I think 20% of this forum would just immediately die.

I feel like they're going to end up drafting Mac Jones in the first round.

 

[Shuie3225]

Not worth explaining it if you can't see it sorry.

But its not toxic for the head coach and the GM to come out in multiple media sessions and not even commit to Goff being on the roster next year?? Come on man.

 

[OldSchool]

But its not toxic for the head coach and the GM to come out in multiple media sessions and not even commit to Goff being on the roster next year?? Come on man.

Please go back and look at what I've said about their comments. Come on man!

 

[dang]

No way. I’d hate that trade. I want Donald to be a Ram for life.

McVay would be committing career suicide if he were tied to a trade of Donald at this point in Donald’s career. It goes beyond what Donald brings to play on the field which is the best in the NFL. It would change their identity. They might as well move to Hawaii and change their name to the Waikiki Rainbows.

 

[FarNorth]

How is it toxic? The goal would be to upgrade the team and getting Watson would be a huge win. Ramsey would get some credit for it.

If it doesn't happen, well, Goff has to come out next year and play better. Should all just be motivation to him.

My concern with McVay's treatment of Goff has largely been strategic (even though I am a Goff fan and don't like seeing him dissed). What's the plan after you stop supporting him as the Rams' qb?

But if the strategy is to get DeShaun Watson, and it works.... I'm ok with it.

 

[thirteen28]

Did someone come out and ask about Bradford the way they've asked about Goff?

Plus you're talking Fisher vs McVay here, and a whole host of other differences.

Yes, actually, they had been asked about Bradford and his future with the Rams before that trade. Remember he was coming off of two seasons of torn ACLs. Both Fisher and Snead assured everybody that Bradford was our QB going forward pretty much until the time he got traded (and I still remember how salty Jim Thomas of the Post Dispatch was about being lied to by them).

I think what they are doing now - publicly giving Goff a vote of no confidence - is much worse. I weakens their negotiating position if they want to trade him and poisons the well with him if somehow they can't and have to keep him for another season. It would have been much smarter to keep the negative comments behind closed doors and publicly state confidence in him even if they were planning on trading him.

 

[Corbin]

So happy we have such a toxic situation going on here.

You forgot to type "IMO" somewhere there.

 

[FarNorth]

Yes, actually, they had been asked about Bradford and his future with the Rams before that trade. Remember he was coming off of two seasons of torn ACLs. Both Fisher and Snead assured everybody that Bradford was our QB going forward pretty much until the time he got traded (and I still remember how salty Jim Thomas of the Post Dispatch was about being lied to by them).

I think what they are doing now - publicly giving Goff a vote of no confidence - is much worse. I weakens their negotiating position if they want to trade him and poisons the well with him if somehow they can't and have to keep him for another season. It would have been much smarter to keep the negative comments behind closed doors and publicly state confidence in him even if they were planning on trading him.

You're dead on with respect how the Rams have behaved. There's no strategy to it and obvious downsides. I still very much favor the "McVay blurted it out" theory.

Goff also has to be really pissed. It may now be that trading him is the best option all around even though the Rams have likely undermined his market value.

 

[Corbin]

That was in result to the org hiring Nick Caserio as the GM without any input from Watson after they org went to Watson to say that they would consult him on both the GM and HC hiring.

They lied to his face. I'd be pissed, too.

Exactly why there is no way he plays for Houston next year, the cats out the bag and they aren't going to catch that bastard either.

I'd love my Deshaun in a Rams uniform but there are some other team stout there that I think are going to make a stout ass push.
Washington, Denver, Jets, and Dolphins but none of those are contenders outside of maybe the Dolphins.

With that being said I think we are the only realistic landing spot for a competing franchise for a SB given we can unload Goff.

This is a reality not a pipe dream like some have said over and over in the last year.

Goff is not the answer and he is very Bulger like ( but look at his stats...etc) same arguments back the. How did that end up?

 

[thirteen28]

I still very much favor the "McVay blurted it out" theory.

I can believe that theory, as it was uttered right after an emotional playoff loss.

Snead's utterance, with a smirk on his face, get's absolutely zero benefit of the doubt. The open and very public disrespect they have showed for Goff is just absolutely classless.

 

[Bearrister]

Yes, actually, they had been asked about Bradford and his future with the Rams before that trade. Remember he was coming off of two seasons of torn ACLs. Both Fisher and Snead assured everybody that Bradford was our QB going forward pretty much until the time he got traded (and I still remember how salty Jim Thomas of the Post Dispatch was about being lied to by them).

I think what they are doing now - publicly giving Goff a vote of no confidence - is much worse. I weakens their negotiating position if they want to trade him and poisons the well with him if somehow they can't and have to keep him for another season. It would have been much smarter to keep the negative comments behind closed doors and publicly state confidence in him even if they were planning on trading him.

Yeah and itd be really easy too. All they have to say publicly is, “We’re going to look at improving the team any way we can at every position. Everything will be evaluated and we’re not going to limit ourselves by taking anything off the table.”

Then when they’re asked the inevitable question about Goff’s status going forward:

“We know Jared has struggled at times, but we’ve invested a lot in him and we know he’s a fighter. He showed that during the playoffs. There are things as a coaching staff and as an organization that we can do better too to maximize his talent. Like we said we’re not going to limit our options, but we have faith he can be the QB we know and seen from him in the past.”

Then they can go about shopping him or chewing him out as much as they want behind closed doors.

Even if they don’t believe a lick of what I posted above, and even if they know all the other teams will see right through them, they should be advocating on their own behalf to maximize his value. Don’t make the other side’s argument for them. Let the other teams or media make their counter arguments, but don’t let them point out in a negotiation “your own organization doesn’t even have faith in him, how can you think he’s worth what you’re asking?”

 

[kurtfaulk]

You're dead on with respect how the Rams have behaved. There's no strategy to it and obvious downsides. I still very much favor the "McVay blurted it out" theory.

Goff also has to be really pissed. It may now be that trading him is the best option all around even though the Rams have likely undermined his market value.

I disagree. They wouldn't have said anything if a trade wasn't already in place.

Is just bad optics. Hanging goff out there to be ridiculed mercilessly in the media.

So you had a fight with him, no need to be petty about it.

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