Desean Jackson on the trading block

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Merlin

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They valued the team over the individual players and that somehow invalidates We Not Me? We Not Me is about doing what's best for the team at the expense of the individual. If they were going to show undying loyalty to players that weren't contributing to trying to win a championship, the motto would be "prepare to be assimilated" or "players go in, but they never come out".
Nice post. It's about doing what's best for the group. McVay is at the top of that decision chain and has a pretty good track record at knowing which guys have what it takes.

I just don't get that whole player victimization angle. The league is a machine, sure. But it's not like these guys don't get an education and then a career to make a shit ton of money playing a game too. It balances out and I'd kill to be a guy who has enough talent to do what they do. Them getting what they can and prioritizing what they want as a player there's nothing wrong with that. But there is also nothing evil about the team making the best decisions for the whole, and if personal greed starts to work against that We Not Me model here and there you trade that player.

Anyway here's hoping Tutu's little ass steps up now. Maybe as someone pointed out this ends up being a silver lining for us in that way.
 

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Rams picks in '22 (updated from Sony trade)
  • 1st round (0): Traded to Lions for Matthew Stafford
  • 2nd round (1): Own pick
  • 3rd round (2): Own pick + compensatory pick (Brad Holmes hiring)
  • 4th round (0): Traded to Texans in Brandin Cooks deal
  • 5th round (1): Own pick
  • 6th round (0): Traded to Patriots for Michel
  • 7th round (2): Own pick + pick acquired in Aqib Talib trade
2023 picks
1st rd- traded to Lions(Stafford)
2nd
3rd
4th rd-traded to Patriots(Sony Michel)
5th
6th
7th
Plus a 4th and 3 6s for their other FA losses.
And if someone plucks Morris for a HC job? Another 3rd.
 

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Re: Morris he needs two years with the Rams iirc.
 

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About DJ…

Van Jefferson beat him out for that #3 WR position pure and simple. And I suspect that DJ is butt hurt over that fact. But so what?

Stafford’s skills have made Kupp, Woods, and Jefferson one of the most feared WR trios in the league and made DJ somewhat expendable in the process. THAT is the key here.

Trade DJ if they can, if only for the cap savings although I doubt that they can get that much for him. Then just smile and move on.
 

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"We Not Me" is really just coachspeak for "The Team, Not You".

In that sense, this regime have remained consistent with their roster decisions.

Reading through this thread really makes me wonder if everyone knows the difference between the game of "football" and "Pro Football".
Football is a game played in the backyard on Thanksgiving. (My Dad throws with the weirdest looking underhand sidearm motion I've ever seen but he can really zip it for an old dude). Football is played for fun. You can play it in highschool and it's all about your teammates and camaraderie and having fun. It's "All For One and One For All", school pride, etc... but after high-school, "playing football" starts transitioning to "working football". Coaches careers and livelihoods are on the line, programs need profits and for the best of the best players, future fame and fortune are on the line.

Professional football is BIG business. The key word isn't football, it's the first one. Oxford defines it like this:
Professional
/prəˈfeSH(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
2. engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
It's a business and every team should make the best decisions they can for the business. The player is in essence a private contractor. The player is his own business. Playing for a team is just subcontracting. Usually the team and player are in a mutually beneficial business relationship with shared goals but when that isn't the case, you move on.

Early on in my career, a performer fired our stage manager, someone everyone really liked. When I asked what happened, he told me "Never forget: This is Showbiz, not Showfriends". I thought it was an ice cold sentiment but I understand it better now. I'm a freelance Lighting Director and I subcontract for various theaters, venues and production companies. Some of whom I really like working for and others I personally can't stand - but regardless of my personal feelings towards these people/businesses, I still always take the best job offer for myself. I'm obligated to make a living for my wife and daughter, not the company. It's no different for the players in the NFL, except the stakes are much higher.

As an idyllic Rams fan, I want the team to all be best friends, like the 53 Musketeers or something... but ultimately I want a good team and that requires putting the future of the team above any personal relationships.
I don't fault McVay for not using DJax more, I don't fault the FO for offering an incentive based contract that he would be unlikely to reach (although DJax's agent probably should have given him better advice) and I can't blame Jackson for doing what I would want the team to do if the shoe was on the other foot.
 

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This. Makes you wonder about mcvay sometimes. Seems simple to rotate him in. Jackson is what he is and mcvay knew him. So what changed. I don't buy the selfish thing.
Exactly, McVay knew Jax from Washington and apparently was excited to get him on the team, it sounds kinda shitty to then give him next to no snaps.
I love Van but he’s a second year guy growing at the position, what is he gonna say if Jax gets some of his snaps? For that matter Kupp is near career highs across the board including targets, for someone who’s had their own injury issues would it be beneficial to try and pace him to keep him healthy and fresh for the postseason.
It’s probably not as easy as stick Jackson in and get him snaps but maybe it is. Coaches do this kind of thing all the time at every level and the player is the one who comes off as selfish.
 

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About DJ…

Van Jefferson beat him out for that #3 WR position pure and simple. And I suspect that DJ is butt hurt over that fact. But so what?

Stafford’s skills have made Kupp, Woods, and Jefferson one of the most feared WR trios in the league and made DJ somewhat expendable in the process. THAT is the key here.

Trade DJ if they can, if only for the cap savings although I doubt that they can get that much for him. Then just smile and move on.

The thing I don't like about trading Jax or dealing him is I would suspect that our offense wouldn't drop off much if say Jefferson went down or something to that nature. Djax is great insurance to have.
 

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Or they could be called a competitor.
There are plenty of other competitors on this squad who understand their role and aren't asking for trades. DeSean can do what he'd like, but he signed here as a #4 WR. One would think he knew what he was getting into. In any case, we'll be fine without him.
 

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I see everyone assuming Djax isn't happy with his snap count. Is that confirmed by him or his agent? Maybe everything was fine but Tutu has finally earned some snaps in practice and McVay told Djax this week that his snaps would be going to Tutu and THAT's what made him ask for a trade.
 

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I’m having trouble understanding this, felt Jackson was an asset & should have been out in the field more. Atwell seems fragile but maybe more TuTu running deep routes is the plan.

I just want to see Tutu in space. He's got to have that 5th gear like DJax...
 

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Not that i advocate it, but the Rams do have multiple 2nd rd picks to dangle in trade.
 

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can the Rams afford him?

not sure what his cap hit would be

The short answer is NO. I pulled up his contract on Sportstrac and he's due ~$10 Million a year, which is top-end LB money. We aren't a team that values the position. Also, Jacksonville would end up eating $24 million in dead cap over three years, which is insane.

The rumors are stupid IMO.

Also, we're going to need that cap space, unless Stafford takes a home-away-from-home-town discount.
 

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About DJ…

Van Jefferson beat him out for that #3 WR position pure and simple. And I suspect that DJ is butt hurt over that fact. But so what?

Stafford’s skills have made Kupp, Woods, and Jefferson one of the most feared WR trios in the league and made DJ somewhat expendable in the process. THAT is the key here.

Trade DJ if they can, if only for the cap savings although I doubt that they can get that much for him. Then just smile and move on.

I don't know if he beat him out. I think it was more of a load management issue, combined with saving him for bigger games and the playoffs. Plus they are trying to build up Jefferson's experience and confidence. Anyway, doesn't matter. As long as everyone stays healthy the WR position group is the least of our worries, DJax or not.
 

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The short answer is NO. I pulled up his contract on Sportstrac and he's due ~$10 Million a year, which is top-end LB money. We aren't a team that values the position. Also, Jacksonville would end up eating $24 million in dead cap over three years, which is insane.

The rumors are stupid IMO.

Also, we're going to need that cap space, unless Stafford takes a home-away-from-home-town discount.
There’s also all the information we have that the Rams don’t value ILBs.
If they acquire someone on D.. it’s gonna be a pass rusher or pass defender.
 

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So while I doubt they have trouble moving a guy who has looked like a solid deep threat so far... What is the cap impact if they end up needing to cut him?
This quote has me curious.

View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1454153591099252736?s=20


Is this something that is not what it appears to be? The quote about Les trying to gather money
everywhere he can. Is this just another move to try to sign or trade for another position?
I just am not sure it's just a matter of Jackson getting more opportunities?
Jackson was never in competition with any WR on the team, because he was brought
in to be a specialist. Not a starting WR.
I think Jacksons lack of opportunities may have been money driven.
Because we are doing everything we can to gather enough money to ???

The Young trade. the restructure and now this.
It's too weird to be as simple as what is being reported.
 

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This quote has me curious.

View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1454153591099252736?s=20


Is this something that is not what it appears to be? The quote about Les trying to gather money
everywhere he can. Is this just another move to try to sign or trade for another position?
I just am not sure it's just a matter of Jackson getting more opportunities?
Jackson was never in competition with any WR on the team, because he was brought
in to be a specialist. Not a starting WR.
I think Jacksons lack of opportunities may have been money driven.
Because we are doing everything we can to gather enough money to ???

The Young trade. the restructure and now this.
It's too weird to be as simple as what is being reported.

The way this evolved, seems clear DJax is driving this.
If you start from there, it’s easy to conclude the Young move was unrelated.
Now, that doesn’t mean that they won’t make a move now that they might have breathing room.
 

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This quote has me curious.

View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1454153591099252736?s=20


Is this something that is not what it appears to be? The quote about Les trying to gather money
everywhere he can. Is this just another move to try to sign or trade for another position?
I just am not sure it's just a matter of Jackson getting more opportunities?
Jackson was never in competition with any WR on the team, because he was brought
in to be a specialist. Not a starting WR.
I think Jacksons lack of opportunities may have been money driven.
Because we are doing everything we can to gather enough money to ???

The Young trade. the restructure and now this.
It's too weird to be as simple as what is being reported.

I very much doubt the Rams are trying to pull in all the money they can in order to improve their cap space for next year. They are all in for win now. Something is up. We'll know in a couple of days I guess.
 

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There are plenty of other competitors on this squad who understand their role and aren't asking for trades. DeSean can do what he'd like, but he signed here as a #4 WR. One would think he knew what he was getting into. In any case, we'll be fine without him.

Still, I can see where as a #4 WR a player would expect more run. Especially, when he's pretty good and playing under his old coach. Only 4 offensive plays last week? Josh Reynolds and Ricky Proehl were used more.
 

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Hmmm interesting. Here’s a theory: we are obviously looking for as much money to create as possible. So they went to Djax and explained up front that his time won’t increase in order to not use his incentives up on the cap. Djax wasn’t cool with that - since it was not part of his discussions to come here and blows up. McSnead tell him they will trade him if he wants out in order to get a those incentives. And here we are….Maybe
 
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