Debating which team will win the NFC West: Rams, Seahawks, 49ers or Cardinals? | First Take

[Giles]

Way too many factors to win a Super Bowl to say the Stafford trade in and of itself needs to ensure one or more Super Bowls. What the trade does need to ensure is offensive dominance over the NFC West defenses. If the Stafford trade doesn’t establish this over the next 5 years then I would agree the trade could be considered a bust. But the trade does not ensure dominance of defensive or ST play.

You don't trade away a franchise qb, 2 1st rounds and a 3rd for qb and not win a sb. Goff had the rams in the sb if Stafford is better he should win one with the rams. If all ppl are expecting is " offensive dominance" with no sb then you needs to have higher expectations. We won a lot of games and playoff games with Goff. I expect sb wins with Stafford.

 

[majrleaged]

They have to win the Superbowl.....McVay and Stafford....hell they might win a couple. Doesn't matter when. Doesn't matter how. These 2....as a head coach and quarterback have to win it all. Having said all that I understand the pressure. It's what most football fans see. Innovative HC. Talented vet QB. Great roster. They gotta win it all.

Keyshawn? Seattle is always a safe pick. Shanahan worship is a good reason to pick SF. Bet against the Rams. That's practically like saying "you can have the Rams....I'll take the field". Whether it's for the West, the NFC or all the marbles. Safe bet. But he's still a moron despite that not being a moronic approach. It's the safe bet.

Meshawn is a big reason I listen to books or music on my drive to work. Sports radio in LA as a whole is moronic anyway.

 

[sloramfan]

couldn't have said it better giles...

sb...

go rams

slo

 

[sloramfan]

i kinda agree with train in that, the rams rarely trailed late...

however my observations were if we trailed late, it was probably over...

jmho....

go rams

slo

 

[Angry Ram]

So Keshawn says a whole new defense? 10 new guys? He thinks Floyd, DWill, SJD and Robinson weren't on that defense last year? Methinks he's just like those other guys who don't do research before projecting what a team will do. What did the Seahags do to improve their team in the offseason? I think they'll be a good team but I don't see any change from last season. A team we spanked two out of three times with a quarterback we ended up trading.

LOL. I had to listen. No one knew, let alone cared, to know who John Johnson, Troy Hill, and Michael Brockers are. Now they are significant losses and represent 11 guys.

 

[Corbin]

Keyshawn is the winner of the idiot of the week and It's not even close.


View: https://youtu.be/FgN80s9-8Sw

Congrats you played yourself.

First mistake is listening to a video with Meshaun in it.

 

[Merlin]

If we don't win the Super Bowl the offseason will be trolled with "guess the trade was a failure" type takes. Hell the Rams themselves said the goal was to win the Super Bowl. So not much else to say there. That's why they traded the QB they had invested all that time and money into. To upgrade the position and get a real shot to win it all.

But for me the next three years are significantly upgraded in terms of our Championship hopes. So way I see it the move itself will pay off in that way and I could give a fuck what the talking heads call this trade. I'm a happy fan and can't remember the last time I felt this confident about this team.

Only concern is the defense for me. I want to see how Morris does his thing. Atlanta was a mixed bag so I remain cautious there.

 

[Ballhawk]

I feel like I lose some brain cells every time I listen to ESPN. I don't know why they are still in business!

 

[Corbin]

If we don't win the Super Bowl the offseason will be trolled with "guess the trade was a failure" type takes. Hell the Rams themselves said the goal was to win the Super Bowl. So not much else to say there. That's why they traded the QB they had invested all that time and money into. To upgrade the position and get a real shot to win it all.

But for me the next three years are significantly upgraded in terms of our Championship hopes. So way I see it the move itself will pay off in that way and I could give a fuck what the talking heads call this trade. I'm a happy fan and can't remember the last time I felt this confident about this team.

Only concern is the defense for me. I want to see how Morris does his thing. Atlanta was a mixed bag so I remain cautious there.

I honestly feel if we can overcome any major injuries we are NFCG bound. Whatever happens after that idk.

I should have bet a 1000 in Vegas in the spring but I was being stubborn. Still might here soon.

 

[oldnotdead]

Talk about idiots talking about a team they know nothing about. No secondary anymore? Ramsey and Williams have been acknowledged as one of the top CB tandems in the NFL. Johnson is a better than average safety but he lacked sideline to sideline speed. He looked good last year because of the scheme Staley played, which catered to his strengths, not his weaknesses. Johnson didn't look as good under Wade Phillips' more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme. They still have Fuller and Rapp and Burgess who is a clear upgrade to Johnson. Hill lost his job to Williams and like Johnson was scheme limited. Now they have Rochell with better speed, length and overall athleticism. This secondary is BETTER than last year's version.

On the DL with Robinson a 3 down NT and Hollins a good bookend for Floyd the DL is also better this year. As far as the scheme is concerned if Morris simply plays a more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme which he knows quite well this is a top 5 D simply due to the level of talent it has. They ignore as do most that Tampa's D was ranked 6th overall last year and was more than enough to win a Lombardi.

Winning a Lombardi is a team effort. These guys seem to ignore that. Stafford is one piece of the puzzle, an important piece but as shown by his time in Detroit that without a team around him his efforts were wasted. One thing that was right is that Stafford is McVay's guy while Jared never was. Yep no excuses Sean, your whipping boy is gone. That Super Bowl loss isn't wasn't on Goff. Anyone who watched it saw that McVay and his staff got outcoached.

My advice to these morons is to know the team you are talking about before you open your mouths. Also, the Niners have the second best team on both sides of the ball in the NFCW. If they had Wilson as a QB they would still have the second-best roster because their D isn't as good as the Ram's. IMO the speed on the Rams will surprise the Niners this year. The Niners beat up on a Ram roster slower across the board. Now the Rams are faster than the Niners and we all know speed kills. Lance is at least a 2-year project. Even if he plays this year, he won't be ready to contend before 2023 IMO. But by then all these fast Ram rookies will be seasoned vets so the Niners will still be playing roster catchup.

By then the Rams will have the best CB tandem in the NFL with Ramsey and Rochell.

 

[Flint]

The rams were in the playoffs last year, along with Brady, Rogers and Brees. Last year I wasn’t optimistic in our qb going head to head with those guys, even with the #1 defense.
Getting to the SB is hard, even if you’ve got the best qb in the game, just ask the packers. So, no, I don’t buy the, if you don’t win it all, philosophy.
Goff did get to the SB but maybe he shouldn’t have, and since then he’s shown himself to be limited. Is he capable of being the reason the rams win it all? It seemed increasingly unlikely. McVay feels like Stafford is a guy who can go toe to toe with Brady and Rogers, whether that results in SB’s is impossible to predict.

 

[Rambitious1]

Keyshawn really is some serious stupid and that piece. With a splash of ignorance.

 

[Tano]

Keyshawn really is some serious stupid and that piece. With a splash of ignorance.

He is also a math genious. They have Donald and Ramsey and then 10 new guys on defense. I didn't know the defense could have 12 players on the field. If so, the Rams have been giving everyone a huge advantage.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Goff did get to the SB but maybe he shouldn’t have, and since then he’s shown himself to be limited. Is he capable of being the reason the rams win it all?

What happens if Cooks catches that TD pass in the SuperBowl? Goff made a hell of a throw... if Cooks comes down with that ball...

Do the Rams win that game? Would Goff still be here?

Wild to think about.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Keyshawn really is some serious stupid and that piece. With a splash of ignorance.

It was like he was bullshitting the whole time to be the contrarian.

His reasons (the whole defense is new, etc.) were weak and inaccurate arguments.

 

[Angry Ram]

What happens if Cooks catches that TD pass in the SuperBowl? Goff made a hell of a throw... if Cooks comes down with that ball...

Do the Rams win that game? Would Goff still be here?

Wild to think about.

That was a late throw. Brandin Cooks was wide open and Jared was late. But it did hit Brandin in the hands and to quote Torry Holt if it touches your hands you better catch it. But it shouldn't have been as difficult as it was. Doesn't get that much easier than that in NFL.


View: https://youtu.be/_QO55-KqgZo

 

[PARAM]

I feel like I lose some brain cells every time I listen to ESPN. I don't know why they are still in business!

They stay in business because quasi-serious fans still believe ESPN is the leader in sports information. AND they bought the MNF rights, which alone probably pays most of their bills.

If we don't win the Super Bowl the offseason will be trolled with "guess the trade was a failure" type takes. Hell the Rams themselves said the goal was to win the Super Bowl. So not much else to say there. That's why they traded the QB they had invested all that time and money into. To upgrade the position and get a real shot to win it all.

But for me the next three years are significantly upgraded in terms of our Championship hopes. So way I see it the move itself will pay off in that way and I could give a fuck what the talking heads call this trade. I'm a happy fan and can't remember the last time I felt this confident about this team.

Only concern is the defense for me. I want to see how Morris does his thing. Atlanta was a mixed bag so I remain cautious there.

Good take. I'd simply replace "real shot" with "better shot".

Talk about idiots talking about a team they know nothing about. No secondary anymore? Ramsey and Williams have been acknowledged as one of the top CB tandems in the NFL. Johnson is a better than average safety but he lacked sideline to sideline speed. He looked good last year because of the scheme Staley played, which catered to his strengths, not his weaknesses. Johnson didn't look as good under Wade Phillips' more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme. They still have Fuller and Rapp and Burgess who is a clear upgrade to Johnson. Hill lost his job to Williams and like Johnson was scheme limited. Now they have Rochell with better speed, length and overall athleticism. This secondary is BETTER than last year's version.

On the DL with Robinson a 3 down NT and Hollins a good bookend for Floyd the DL is also better this year. As far as the scheme is concerned if Morris simply plays a more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme which he knows quite well this is a top 5 D simply due to the level of talent it has. They ignore as do most that Tampa's D was ranked 6th overall last year and was more than enough to win a Lombardi.

Winning a Lombardi is a team effort. These guys seem to ignore that. Stafford is one piece of the puzzle, an important piece but as shown by his time in Detroit that without a team around him his efforts were wasted. One thing that was right is that Stafford is McVay's guy while Jared never was. Yep no excuses Sean, your whipping boy is gone. That Super Bowl loss isn't wasn't on Goff. Anyone who watched it saw that McVay and his staff got outcoached.

My advice to these morons is to know the team you are talking about before you open your mouths. Also, the Niners have the second best team on both sides of the ball in the NFCW. If they had Wilson as a QB they would still have the second-best roster because their D isn't as good as the Ram's. IMO the speed on the Rams will surprise the Niners this year. The Niners beat up on a Ram roster slower across the board. Now the Rams are faster than the Niners and we all know speed kills. Lance is at least a 2-year project. Even if he plays this year, he won't be ready to contend before 2023 IMO. But by then all these fast Ram rookies will be seasoned vets so the Niners will still be playing roster catchup.

By then the Rams will have the best CB tandem in the NFL with Ramsey and Rochell.

I hope teams sleep on this defense. I'm glad a lot of talking heads are saying what they are about this "depleted" defense. Put a chip on Ramsey, Donald and Floyd's shoulders. Just what the rest of the NFL wants right? Having said that, Merlin makes a good point. Morris needs to do a good job....or not screw up what they already have.

On this team getting to or having to win the Superbowl, I agree...that's the goal. That's why they've done what they've done. That's why they do what they do. It's not like years past when .500 or 9-7 was the goal. Every team has that goal in July but real contenders implement that goal the second their season is over. The Rams didn't waste any time once the final gun sounded. And like some others have said in the past, "they're not 'all in' this year. They're All In every year".

 

[FarNorth]

I would also like to add that the narrative that the Rams have to win the super bowl this year
or this trade is a failure is complete BullShit.

The trade the Rams made is not just about this year.
This trade is about the next 5 years at least.

They are trying to put all this pressure on the Rams and it's ignorant.
The only way to grade this trade is by what the Rams have accomplished at the end of Stafford's career.

Agree, but we do have to resign him first. And would add it's about the rest of AD's career too-- he's the biggest factor in making the Rams a potential championship team.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

They have to win the Superbowl.....McVay and Stafford....hell they might win a couple. Doesn't matter when. Doesn't matter how. These 2....as a head coach and quarterback have to win it all. Having said all that I understand the pressure. It's what most football fans see. Innovative HC. Talented vet QB. Great roster. They gotta win it all.

Keyshawn? Seattle is always a safe pick. Shanahan worship is a good reason to pick SF. Bet against the Rams. That's practically like saying "you can have the Rams....I'll take the field". Whether it's for the West, the NFC or all the marbles. Safe bet. But he's still a moron despite that not being a moronic approach. It's the safe bet.

So does every team that traded two firsts to move up and draft a QB have to win a Super Bowl too? It’s just a move to get a better QB.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

i kinda agree with train in that, the rams rarely trailed late...

however my observations were if we trailed late, it was probably over...

jmho....

go rams

slo

My observation is that if they trailed late Goff either had a bad start or made some big mistakes.

Talk about idiots talking about a team they know nothing about. No secondary anymore? Ramsey and Williams have been acknowledged as one of the top CB tandems in the NFL. Johnson is a better than average safety but he lacked sideline to sideline speed. He looked good last year because of the scheme Staley played, which catered to his strengths, not his weaknesses. Johnson didn't look as good under Wade Phillips' more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme. They still have Fuller and Rapp and Burgess who is a clear upgrade to Johnson. Hill lost his job to Williams and like Johnson was scheme limited. Now they have Rochell with better speed, length and overall athleticism. This secondary is BETTER than last year's version.

On the DL with Robinson a 3 down NT and Hollins a good bookend for Floyd the DL is also better this year. As far as the scheme is concerned if Morris simply plays a more conventional 3-4 hybrid scheme which he knows quite well this is a top 5 D simply due to the level of talent it has. They ignore as do most that Tampa's D was ranked 6th overall last year and was more than enough to win a Lombardi.

Winning a Lombardi is a team effort. These guys seem to ignore that. Stafford is one piece of the puzzle, an important piece but as shown by his time in Detroit that without a team around him his efforts were wasted. One thing that was right is that Stafford is McVay's guy while Jared never was. Yep no excuses Sean, your whipping boy is gone. That Super Bowl loss isn't wasn't on Goff. Anyone who watched it saw that McVay and his staff got outcoached.

My advice to these morons is to know the team you are talking about before you open your mouths. Also, the Niners have the second best team on both sides of the ball in the NFCW. If they had Wilson as a QB they would still have the second-best roster because their D isn't as good as the Ram's. IMO the speed on the Rams will surprise the Niners this year. The Niners beat up on a Ram roster slower across the board. Now the Rams are faster than the Niners and we all know speed kills. Lance is at least a 2-year project. Even if he plays this year, he won't be ready to contend before 2023 IMO. But by then all these fast Ram rookies will be seasoned vets so the Niners will still be playing roster catchup.

By then the Rams will have the best CB tandem in the NFL with Ramsey and Rochell.

I like your optimism but to say Burgess is an upgrade over Johnson is based on what? We barely saw Burgess play. We haven’t seen Rochell play at all either. I prefer to see some evidence before touting rookies as upgrades over very good NFL players.