Covid 19 thread

[XXXIVwin]

Lol, you literally put that in blue font alm:

Bravo

next...

just having fun, it’s a Friday!

All links appear in blue automatically...

but you knew that, right?

Starting to worry the Agent Provacateur isn’t computer savvy enough to figure out blue font

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

All links appear in blue automatically...

but you knew that, right?

Starting to worry the Agent Provacateur isn’t computer savvy enough to figure out blue font

No I didn’t

I’ve been called many things, many things...computer savvy? Nah

You see, Agent Provacateur was actually something I stole from the early 20th Century, was a reference to Ty Cobb

Touche, my friend

 

[Mojo Ram]

I just feel like we don’t get as much information on what is most important.

We don't. Cases and deaths are the only numbers the media has been putting out there with a bullhorn since this all began.

126,000 + dead in the US right now

And I agree that the death toll is the more important number, and the number of hospitalizations is also relevant, but the number of total cases really matters to the extent that it gives us a sense of how likely we are to come in contact with it.

I believe the most important numbers are who is dying. The patient model. That and ICU admittance as well as general hospitalizations as you mentioned.

Throwing out these big numbers for cases and deaths just looks shocking, however the vast majority of these people are asymptomatic or felt like shit and were sent home for two weeks.

This should have been, and still should be about the high risk population and providing clear, comprehensive information and protecting those demographics in a deliberate, yet economically responsible manner. I feel like the decision makers blew it, and the fear porn media is playing along.

Arizona is the Covid "hotbed" in the US right now.
There are 7.2 million people living in AZ. The death toll is 1,500 souls.

I personally along with most of my co workers, family and friends have no use for shock numbers. My concern is with my parents who have been and should be taking Covid seriously.

Everyone has the right to stay as safe and as vigilant as they deem necessary, and social distancing one's self has never been easier as i stated earlier, but there is an agenda behind all of this fear porn. This is a really big deal in certain demographics. The deep data has shown this all along for months, but the mainstream news media doesn't like to dig to present information(about any subject matter).

 

[RamBall]

I'm as "This is a free country you can't infringe on my rights" as anyone else. But if everyone agreed to wear a mask I would think that would really lower the infection rate. I always wear mine when I go into a place of business. I do avoid public gatherings so that isn't an issue for me. The golf course is the only place I go for my entertainment and its easy to social distance out there.

Perhaps the government forcing people to wear masks is the wrong way to go about it. Some people are suspicious of government motives. Maybe a better idea would be to tell places of business to require a mask to enter their establishment. That way its the individual's choice not to go into that business if they're that adamant about not wearing a mask. They can always use online shopping or delivery services. Just don't make threats about punishing people if they don't wear a mask. All that does is piss some people off.

Lowering the infection rate will just drag it out and possibly cost more lives. Herd immunity would put a stop to the spread and we could get back to life as usual. Of course this is just my opinion, and I've been wrong a time or two. I just dont see how slowing herd immunity is a good idea, get it over with and it will join SARS as another virus that died out on its own. There is no way a newly created vaccine would be safer than the virus.

 

[Mackeyser]

I have fully understood you ever step of the way

But I think you're missing my attempt at satire

I am not arguing the factuality of anything you say - only to say that your message is not connecting when you have to use all CAPS and post about your frustration about the message not connecting. And it seems people's inability to communicate this idea about masks helping others is turning them into condescending weiners.

FOR EXAMPLE -- let's look at the example illustration you send from Bluecoconuts

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Look how condescending that example is with that last remark "LET ME TRY AND MAKE IS SIMPLE FOR YOU..."
It's like fuck you, you can't even spell right - let me make this simple for you, it's not "IS" but "THIS"
Like you were too busy being all exasperated with the little people that you tripped over your own patronizing feet.

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But anyway.

I am attributing lack of success some are having with promoting mask-wearing for others to the modern American mindset who sees things only from how they benefit themselves as an individual instead of how they benefit the masses. I am suggesting you change your approach in order to achieve what you want. People to wear masks to save others.
Just change up your messaging.
Again I think you are missing my approach with you here - which is entirely satirical.

On that note.
May I suggest less science and instead use simple taglines to get your point across.
Look at action movies for example. Like the Wesley Snipes classic Passenger 57 with the timeless line "Always Bet On Black." I always bet on black. We can make it "Always Bet On Masks - Wear A Mask for Others' I know you do as well. Or take a tagline from a Bond movie perhaps. One like Octopussy, I think the tagline is "James Bond, An All Time High." we can take that same tagline and swap out James Bone with "Covid Cases, An All Time High - Wear a Mask for Others" something like that?

Maybe try and license a mascot of some sort to wear the masks instead of these stick figures you used below

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And try and license old beer commercial characters to help bring things more to life.
Like Calvin and Hobbs. I am sure the creator is willing to license this iconic image for a great cause.

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Or maybe you can see if you can get Spuds Mackenzie out of retirement?

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just an idea

Well, okay.

I mean, I generally have patience, but sometimes I just don't.

And if one ventures onto social media, one is left to wonder how far human intelligence can regress on a daily basis. 5G causes COVID? WTF???

I know it's a branding thing and I'm not a marketer, I'm an engineer.

And really, I lose it when someone steps up and their entire take is "well, I could learn and mitigate my ignorance, but I'd rather be intellectually lazy and insist that my opinion have primacy over facts, reason, data, logic and critical thinking"

I see that every day. I see it the few times I go out. It's infuriating. Our collective embrace of ignorance is bordering on a death cult. It's insanity.

But hey, if it takes bringing out one of Spuds MacKenzie's grandpups to drop some science knowledge, then let's do that.

Whatever it takes...

 

[Mackeyser]

How much of transmission occurs through the eyes? If your walking thru walmart and someone is breathing it out and then you walk through the cloud with your mask on but your big doe eyes are soaking it up.....

It's actually a very good question and the answer is not very much. As I posted with the infographic above, the transmission via eyes, skin or other vectors when both are wearing masks and one is infected and one is not is about 1.5%.

The reason is that the eyes are flushed and the cells that receive the coronavirus and allow them to reproduce aren't prevalent in the eyes, but are in the respiratory tract.

This is why PPE includes a face shield (because 1.5% is very high if you're seeing many infected people a day), but it's low enough to not require face shields/goggles for most people.

The more you know.

 

[Mackeyser]

Well....

We were having similar debates about masks almost a hundred years ago, during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918.

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Those who didn’t wear masks were called “mask slackers.” And men needed more convincing than women to wear them, so men were considered “the weak link in hygienic discipline.”

On the other side of the debate: those who formed the “Anti-Mask League.” Sheesh.

An amusing headline:

“Influenza Veils Set New Fashion: Seattle Women Wearing Fine Mesh With Chiffon Border to Ward Off Malady.”

Here’s a couple links:

These surprisingly relevant vintage ads show how officials tried to convince people to wear masks after many refused during the 1918 flu pandemic

Officials needed to convince men specifically to practice better personal hygiene because men didn't think masks were masculine enough.

www.google.com

When Mask‑Wearing Rules in the 1918 Pandemic Faced Resistance | HISTORY

Most people complied, but some resisted (or poked holes in their masks to smoke).

www.google.com

But yeah, I’m with Mack, its a shame it’s so difficult to convince ppl to wear masks during a viral pandemic.

Considering how many men I've seen exit a stall after dropping a 12 and then leave without washing their hands... yeah... I'd say that men are definitely the weak link in hygienic discipline...

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Considering how many men I've seen exit a stall after dropping a 12 and then leave without washing their hands... yeah... I'd say that men are definitely the weak link in hygienic discipline...

Yuck

thanks for sharing Mack

lol

 

[Mackeyser]

Not a chance
They going to ID folks entering these states? Its not feasible.

Well, they could... They could simply have it be a sobriety/COVID health check point where the only ask is to take everyone's temp and check IDs. Anyone from out of state would be redirected to leave or enter quarantine.

It's worrisome to me how easy is the descent into a land without rights, but yeah.

I deleted a much easier and much worse scenario... just didn't want to put it out there...

 

[Mackeyser]

Impossible to get 100% of the people who come in? Absolutely correct.

But they could certainly grab and quarantine every passenger arriving on a flight pretty easily. They could also set up checkpoints on the highways coming in (somewhat less likely).

I just said the same thing. They do sobriety checkpoints all the time and they could just as easily do health checks.

 

[Mackeyser]

And harass people who are just out and about......”show me your papers!!”

Well, they did it during Stop and Frisk and ICE does it all the time.

Is it wrong? Yep. Is it possible for states to do this? Yep.

It's scary in a real way.

I just recall that line from "The Hunt for Red October".

Vasili: "They let you go state to state...no papers?"

Capt: "Yes. State to state. No papers."

Edit: removed a word that could derail the thread

 

[Mackeyser]

Setting all news outlets aside thus removing any personal fundamental association

And please spare reasons, explanations or regurgitated “studies” (for the love of God we’ve already heard them all)

Does anyone here believe this event was Man made primarily from a lab?

Id hope we limit answers to Yes or No ...and only yes or no (please) otherwise this may go downhill fast, no proof needed to validate your answer, no call for senseless debate, just a simple yes or no Or pass

My belief is Yes

Again, it bears repeating we have already heard from every conceivable side the 411 put forth, no call to be educated (on this thread that is) any further on this question while giving a simple one word opinion

This may surprise you from me, but I dunno.

It would have been grossly ignorant for any state to think that they could weaponize any form of coronavirus. They are known to regularly mutate and like the 1917 variant of the Spanish Flu which was rather mild, it can mutate into something MUCH worse as the 1918 variant was.

That said, I'm done underestimating our capacity for doing stupid shit.

could it have been man made? yeah. Probably wasn't, but it's not in the top 1000 things that would surprise me if it were.

 

[dieterbrock]

I just said the same thing. They do sobriety checkpoints all the time and they could just as easily do health checks.

Easily?
I’m assuming you meant this in blue font.

 

[Mackeyser]

Of course it was manipulated by man in a lab. There was never any doubt that man took a virus that could not infect humans and made it a hybrid by adding a genetic substance that made it possible to infect humans.

What you're describing is a virus being zoonotic or able to pass from animals to humans...or vice versa

The UK gov't put out a list of zoonotic diseases

List of zoonotic diseases

www.gov.uk

There are a LOT of diseases that make the leap and it's very common.

So, while there can certainly be good questions raised about this, it doesn't require using CRISPR in a lab to genetically alter a virus to make the animal to human leap.

Happens naturally all the time. Is that the case with COVID? No clue. I'm not even endorsing skepticism of anything, I literally have no idea.

 

[Mackeyser]

I'm as "This is a free country you can't infringe on my rights" as anyone else. But if everyone agreed to wear a mask I would think that would really lower the infection rate. I always wear mine when I go into a place of business. I do avoid public gatherings so that isn't an issue for me. The golf course is the only place I go for my entertainment and its easy to social distance out there.

Perhaps the government forcing people to wear masks is the wrong way to go about it. Some people are suspicious of government motives. Maybe a better idea would be to tell places of business to require a mask to enter their establishment. That way its the individual's choice not to go into that business if they're that adamant about not wearing a mask. They can always use online shopping or delivery services. Just don't make threats about punishing people if they don't wear a mask. All that does is piss some people off.

They've done that at FL Walmarts... the results are... well, I wouldn't want Q to judge humanity based on those interactions...

 

[Mackeyser]

The coronavirus was not engineered in a lab. Here's how we know.

The persistent myth can be put to bed.

www.livescience.com

That's very cool to know.

So COVID is like the Bumble Bee... shouldn't work...but it does.

 

[Mackeyser]

Easily?
I’m assuming you meant this in blue font.

I just meant from a legal justification standpoint.

The logistics would be a nightmare.

 

[fearsomefour]

Well, they did it during Stop and Frisk and ICE does it all the time.

Is it wrong? Yep. Is it possible for states to do this? Yep.

It's scary in a real way.

I just recall that line from "The Hunt for Red October".

Vasili: "They let you go state to state...no papers?"

Capt: "Yes. State to state. No papers."

Edit: removed a word that could derail the thread

Yep.
Montana with his pick up truck and his two wives.
Great scene.
Great movie.
Governments of all shades are always ready to push things are far as they can.

 

[dieterbrock]

I just meant from a legal justification standpoint.

The logistics would be a nightmare.

The logistics make it impossible.
As for the DWI comparison, do those stops prevent everyone from drinking?