Covid 19 thread

[Angry Ram]

Mutual respect is the only way we can survive this.

Yeah, if we can come to a middle ground on these things it would a lot easier. But nope, in 2020 it's always Team A or Team B.

Humans, man.

 

[fearsomefour]

Random reports say some states are over classifying cases and some say they're under classifying cases. All depends on who you listen to.

$4,900 per pneumonia admission
$13,000 per Covid admission
$39,000 if the Covid case is put on a ventilator

This is per the stimulus bill that was rushed through.
Front line doctors and nurses wont give a toss about this I am sure, but, hospital administrators surely will.
They will be aware and take advantage of it.
Numbers can be manipulated both ways and I'm sure have been in some ways.
There is a built in motivation to fudge the numbers, built right into the funding.
We have been in an age of fraud in America for some time, decades.
The funding bills will just be another fleecing.
Nothing changes.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Let’s be clear, there is no right or wrong way to deal with this shit, it’s here and it’s not going away... everyone has handled it differently - same results.

Overstating it a bit here IMHO.

Yes, it's a difficult problem, but to say "nothing matters no matter what"? C'mon.

Today for example... doesn't it seem a bit (ahem) stupid to cram 19,000 shouting people into a crowded indoor arena (without masks and without social distancing) in a city that is just starting an exponential spike in cases?

Let's at least use a little common sense.

 

[Mojo Ram]

if this guy was alive today he would be having a field day.

Yep. It would have been glorious.

 

[Mojo Ram]

17.5% of Arizona's population are 65+

These are current numbers in AZ

 

[kurtfaulk]

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"When you do testing to that extent you're going to find more people."

"You're going to find more cases, so I said to my people, 'Slow the testing down please.'


You guys are utterly screwed.

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[FaulkSF]

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"When you do testing to that extent you're going to find more people."

"You're going to find more cases, so I said to my people, 'Slow the testing down please.'


You guys are utterly screwed.

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It's pretty true. I'm guessing a lot of people had it between February and March before testing became readily accessible.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Pretty sure that was tongue in cheek, sorta like “Russia if you’re listening“

Moving on

i view this event as perhaps a test to gauge if we’re ready or not (why do I get this feeling many are rooting for the worst) and no I don’t believe for one second the participants did

Guys, it’s a really good thing if an indoor event doesn’t cause a spike.

Let’s set politics aside ( yeah as if) I would hope the general consensus is hoping this event doesn’t set us back...hope is eternal I guess...

Isn’t it strange but why do some folks root against their own interests for the sake of claiming they were right?

Case in point would be Bradford vs Suh, now that was exhausting

fuk me, I hope I’m not that guy, on thee extreme razors edge here (of violating ROD policy) let’s just see how this plays out, por favor my friends!

I hope, hope I didn’t trigger anyone with this, just hoping civility wins out and calmer heads prevail

 

[XXXIVwin]

"When you do testing to that extent you're going to find more people."
"You're going to find more cases, so I said to my people, 'Slow the testing down please.'
You guys are utterly screwed.

Fewer tests, fewer confirmed cases. Simple!

And some of the finest people are studying bleach.... and sunlight injections!

 

[Angry Ram]

Guys, it’s a really good thing if an indoor event doesn’t cause a spike.

Let’s set politics aside ( yeah as if) I would hope the general consensus is hoping this event doesn’t set us back...hope is eternal I guess...

Well, allegedly there was less than 7,000 that showed up last night. There as also an outdoor event that was cancelled due to low turnout.

From a rona perspective, is that any better or worse than the 60K that were packed in downtown Houston for a protest or funeral?

I agree these are good test studies to see what happens, if anything.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Overstating it a bit here IMHO.

Yes, it's a difficult problem, but to say "nothing matters no matter what"? C'mon.

Today for example... doesn't it seem a bit (ahem) stupid to cram 19,000 shouting people into a crowded indoor arena (without masks and without social distancing) in a city that is just starting an exponential spike in cases?

Let's at least use a little common sense.

Every post I have made on this thread has been an overstatement

But I did not say "nothing matters no matter what" -- I haven't written that ever.

I only said that there was no wrong or right way to deal with this - which wholly is different than saying nothing matters no matter what.

You can use common sense or you can use uncommon sense and the results are gonna be almost the same to the society as a whole
Some places got hit early, some places are getting hit later - guess what, they are both getting "hit."
Santa Barbara like I had mentioned was super closed off, but now that they are welcoming people back, they are getting cases
New Zealand claims to be practically Covid free - guess what, they are now in a recession, have started to see more cases pop up from seemingly nowhere and will eventually have to open up again thus rendering them prone to, wait for it.... Coronavirus
You can take Sweden, the UK, NYC, Fort Smith Arkansas - wherever you want - and I'm only suggesting when this is all over the numbers will look practically the same per capita.

On a person to person basis - there are always going to be exceptions to every story. But when you are talking statistics and numbers and how certain governments behave as oppose to others - I think it's all gonna look really similar numbers-wise across the board in the end.

 

[Mackeyser]

Without an ounce of contrariness, jackassery, or disbelief in my question I want to ask this: How do we know they were misclassified?

the number of Snowbird seasonal deaths to pneumonia per year(Nov-May) is around 950 with little variation going back at least 5 years. This season they suddenly have something like 5300 cases of pneumonia in that 6 month period even from places where COVID was rampant like nursing homes.

It’s blatant data manipulation.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

the number of Snowbird seasonal deaths to pneumonia per year(Nov-May) is around 950 with little variation going back at least 5 years. This season they suddenly have something like 5300 cases of pneumonia in that 6 month period even from places where COVID was rampant like nursing homes.

It’s blatant data manipulation.

Do you have data?

C’mon now you know the rules

Okay let’s just pretend anything stated here is fact, is it really your perspective that Hospitals don’t have incentive to tag COVID-19 to as many deaths as possible?

You ARE right though about the blatant data misrepresentation, just not as you see it, opinions my man, we all are afforded them

Cheers!

 

[12intheBox]

Do you have data?

C’mon now you know the rules

Okay let’s just pretend anything stated here is fact, is it really your perspective that Hospitals don’t have incentive to tag COVID-19 to as many deaths as possible?

You ARE right though about the blatant data misrepresentation, just not as you see it, opinions my man, we all are afforded them

Cheers!

just trying to understand - is the suggestion that people are being tagged as dying from COVID that don’t actually have it? Or that people have COVID, die from something else, and the hospital tags it as a COVID death for financial gain?

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

just trying to understand - is the suggestion that people are being tagged as dying from COVID that don’t actually have it? Or that people have COVID, die from something else, and the hospital tags it as a COVID death for financial gain?

Of course no one here can really be sure, my guess is with the money to be made, nothing is off the table, case in point were those two ER Doctors in Bakersfield whom posted a video on YouTube lamenting being encouraged to tag Covid to deaths for financial gain, of course they were demonized by MSM and deleted from Youtube, it is fact they were real Doctors at that Hospital, why would they make this up? Talk about the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

Or maybe we should just believe everything MSM reports, like I used to, lol

I don’t claim to be omniscient on this topic by any means, yet at the same time, I’m not going to bury my head in the sand when I perceive blatant B/S being pushed at us

And both sides are guilty, it’s really a crying shame we can’t get REAL unbiased News these days on a everyday basis, nope either it’s slanted to one jackass side or the other.

That being said, I would sure love to see data on this years deaths (flu, cancer, pneumonia etc.) as compared to recent history, real data not wiki, I’m a little surprised no one has really taken the time look into this or maybe I missed it

To answer your question 12, yes I have a hunch Covid-19 is being attached to as many deaths as possible, maybe Covid was the cause, you have to believe the overwhelming majority were, and maybe many other perhaps not but there were “symptoms”

Just my opinion

 

[12intheBox]

I would be surprised if deaths were being attributed to covid for people who didn’t actually have it. I would not be surprised if deaths were called covid deaths where a person was positive and the cause of death was something unrelated or tangentially related.

fraud is a funny thing. If there is a paper trail, you tend to get caught.

5 years from now, COVID litigation and criminal investigations are going to be cooking on the front burner.

 

[RhodyRams]

Yet another warning

Next poster who brings politics in to the conversation will get 3 points and a timeout

That includes references to politician quotes also

 

[bluecoconuts]

Yet another warning

Next poster who brings politics in to the conversation will get 3 points and a timeout

That includes references to politician quotes also

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