Covid 19 thread

[Faceplant]

There a some butter knives getting absilutely abused by firearms in here...

 

[RamBall]

Yeah tell that to the 230 thou plus dead.

You compared h1n1 with 60 mill cases and 12,500 hurderd deaths. Covid has 9 mill infections and 230 thou deaths, imho you're a

Where did I say they were the same? I said the guy that claims he knows how to stop covid couldnt even stop H1N1. You can go ahead and live in fear. I will continue to base my decisions on fact and personal experience. Of those 230k deaths less than 15k were due to covid alone. That is much less than 1% of covid cases. If covid is killing so many people why are we on pace to have less deaths in 2020 than we had in any of the previous 4 yrs? If covid is truly the cause of all those deaths we would be on pace to have extra deaths not less deaths. But go ahead and be a prisoner in your own home. There are enough of us with common sense to keep the country running.

 

[RamFan503]

This is not aimed at you Flv. Just checking my math with all the numbers being thrown around.

Just so I have this straight. 6.6/66 is greater than 9/320 - right? Of course I have never claimed to be a "numbers guy"

imho you're a Fucking Joke.

IMNSHO.... You need to take a breath and reacquaint yourself with the rules.

 

[thirteen28]

And when they come out of it, Covid will just snap back and start running wild again like it has everywhere else they locked down hard. Meanwhile, Sweden will continue to have only occasional deaths from here on out.

Mother Nature is not fooled, virus gonna virus.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Ok and please post why 230 thou have past because of what ??

I have to assume that you know that the overwhelming number of people that have died were over 65 yrs of age, and the majority of that number were over 80 yrs of age.

It's simply because of the immune system.
https://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/guide/seniors-boost-immunity#1

Couple a weaker immune system with pre-existing conditions of things like obesity, diabetes etc and these older, elderly people are unfortunately very susceptible to common illnesses like the common cold, influenza and other viruses. It's always been like this. Covid has just magnified the complications and mortality rate among this demographic.

The number of "younger people" (under 65+) who have died from Covid are simply outliers of the bigger picture which i explained above. Kind of like the poor guy who eats right, exercises every day and then drops from a heart attack at the age of 40. Then there's the guy who smokes a pack a day, eats Taco Bell and watches tv for a living yet lives to be 90. Genes play a part as well but you get the idea.

We're talking about a World population here. BIG number, and yet the death model is clear. If you're over 65 and aren't healthy Covid is very dangerous...much like getting the flu is moderately dangerous if you're over 65 and unhealthy.

It's not a super virus.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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So, after 10 months of this virus only 0.015% of the world's population has died from it. And that's with inflated numbers.

The Media onslaught about this virus has been disgusting. How many people control the news around the world? Does anyone know? More than 5 people?

What on earth would happen if a real pandemic hit the world?

Having said that I'm still wearing a mask in public. I have no idea how my body would react if it caught this virus.

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I have to assume that you know that the overwhelming number of people that have died were over 65 yrs of age, and the majority of that number were over 80 yrs of age.

It's simply because of the immune system.
https://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/guide/seniors-boost-immunity#1

Couple a weaker immune system with pre-existing conditions of things like obesity, diabetes etc and these older, elderly people are unfortunately very susceptible to common illnesses like the common cold, influenza and other viruses. It's always been like this. Covid has just magnified the complications and mortality rate among this demographic.

The number of "younger people" (under 65+) who have died from Covid are simply outliers of the bigger picture which i explained above. Kind of like the poor guy who eats right, exercises every day and then drops from a heart attack at the age of 40. Then there's the guy who smokes a pack a day, eats Taco Bell and watches tv for a living yet lives to be 90. Genes play a part as well but you get the idea.

We're talking about a World population here. BIG number, and yet the death model is clear. If you're over 65 and aren't healthy Covid is very dangerous...much like getting the flu is moderately dangerous if you're over 65 and unhealthy.

It's not a super virus.

And, scene.

That’s a wrap everybody.

 

[Mojo Ram]

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So, after 10 months of this virus only 0.015% of the world's population has died from it. And that's with inflated numbers.

The Media onslaught about this virus has been disgusting. How many people control the news around the world? Does anyone know? More than 5 people?

What on earth would happen if a real pandemic hit the world?

Having said that I'm still wearing a mask in public. I have no idea how my body would react if it caught this virus.

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Take a look. Article from 2018.
https://fortune.com/longform/media-company-ownership-consolidation/

I believe it's currently down to 5 corporations owning the US media since Disney bought Fox. So Five guys? Lol.

In 1983, 90% of US media was controlled by 50 different companies.
https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6?op=1

 

[Allen2McVay]

How many people control the news around the world? Does anyone know? More than 5 people?

While I strongly disagree with the prevalent view on this thread, can we all just agree that if there are only 5 people ‘who control the news around the world’, one of them is Bill Belichick.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

While I strongly disagree with the prevalent view on this thread, can we all just agree that if there are only 5 people ‘who control the news around the world’, one of them is Bill Belichick.

I guess it all boils down to if one trusts the media or certain agencies , or questions it. (and this alone could take literally pages)

Many of us question it, and I’m well aware of the horror from the early phase, personally I m convinced the strain has petered out substantially, it’s good to agree to disagree while not having to get all bent.

Cheers

 

[RamFan503]

I just got done with a 10 mile hike and was having beers. Not sure why I was thinking 10%. I did say I wasn't a numbers guy - right?

 

[XXXIVwin]

I have to assume that you know that the overwhelming number of people that have died were over 65 yrs of age, and the majority of that number were over 80 yrs of age.

It's simply because of the immune system.
https://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/guide/seniors-boost-immunity#1

Couple a weaker immune system with pre-existing conditions of things like obesity, diabetes etc and these older, elderly people are unfortunately very susceptible to common illnesses like the common cold, influenza and other viruses. It's always been like this. Covid has just magnified the complications and mortality rate among this demographic.

The number of "younger people" (under 65+) who have died from Covid are simply outliers of the bigger picture which i explained above. Kind of like the poor guy who eats right, exercises every day and then drops from a heart attack at the age of 40. Then there's the guy who smokes a pack a day, eats Taco Bell and watches tv for a living yet lives to be 90. Genes play a part as well but you get the idea.

We're talking about a World population here. BIG number, and yet the death model is clear. If you're over 65 and aren't healthy Covid is very dangerous...much like getting the flu is moderately dangerous if you're over 65 and unhealthy.

It's not a super virus.

I’d concede all your numbers about the virus primarily attacking those over 65. And yes, I’d concede that if the opposite were true— if the virus mostly killed people under 21– that that would be profoundly more disturbing.

Still, a disease that kills off old folks is a bit of a bummer, right? I’m sure a 65 y.o. dude in moderately poor health would still like to have the chance to live out his last few years, rather than having his life cut short.

So maybe it’s not a “super” virus. But for those who tend to downplay this virus,I wonder how many older ppl would have to die before they’d say, “yeah, this virus is a pretty big deal.”

Serious question. Is the answer that “any virus that primarily attacks ppl who are old and infirm is by definition “not a big deal?”

 

[-X-]

Serious question. Is the answer that “any virus that primarily attacks ppl who are old and infirm is by definition “not a big deal?”

Nobody cared during flu season, apparently. So why all the compassion now? I did a board search for “the flu” + “OMG we should all wear masks”, and I limited it to 2018

Zero results.

And yet, this still happened anyway.

I was also curious if anyone cared that seniors die to the tune of 166,000 every month, but I guess everyone accepted that as normal, because nobody mentioned it. Until now.

Yes it’s a serious illness, and yes it’s horrible that it affects the elderly at a disproportionate rate, and yes it’s a tragedy that they’re dying from it. But 20somethings wearing masks in their car while they’re driving alone isn’t the solution. It’s the symptom. The symptom of 24-hour cycles of fear porn generated by the media.

 

[thirteen28]

The symptom of 24-hour cycles of fear porn generated by the media.

That, more than anything, is the difference between this pandemic and previous ones.

Upthread a posted an article about the Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968-1970, which killed about 100k when our population was 200 million. No lockdowns, no panic, no mask theater, no shaming no Karen-ing. No 24 hour cable news fanning the flames of fear either.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Nobody cared during flu season, apparently. So why all the compassion now? I did a board search for “the flu” + “OMG we should all wear masks”, and I limited it to 2018

Zero results.

And yet, this still happened anyway.


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I was also curious if anyone cared that seniors die to the tune of 166,000 every month, but I guess everyone accepted that as normal, because nobody mentioned it. Until now.

Yes it’s a serious illness, and yes it’s horrible that it affects the elderly at a disproportionate rate, and yes it’s a tragedy that they’re dying from it. But 20somethings wearing masks in their car while they’re driving alone isn’t the solution. It’s the symptom. The symptom of 24-hour cycles of fear porn generated by the media.

You didn’t answer my question though.

Your mention of the approx 60k who died from the flu in 2018 is a fair point. Nobody seemed to notice then, but they sure are now.

But the mention of the “20 something person driving alone in their car with a mask” is a straw man. Nobody is advocating for that, and the person who does so is an idiot.

All that is being asked is for ppl to wear masks in crowded places and try to social distance.

So again... is there any hypothetical disease— which primarily attacks the old and infirm— which could or should be considered a “big deal”?

 

[Mojo Ram]

Serious question. Is the answer that “any virus that primarily attacks ppl who are old and infirm is by definition “not a big deal?”

It's a big deal when people die. Always. No matter the cause.
It's less of a big deal and disingenuous when said virus is "advertised" as something else by mass media and used for political leveraging, which Covid 19 clearly has been.

You're intelligent. Why have the facts of the ages of these fatalities been either not talked about or placed at the bottom of the story in fine print?

 

[XXXIVwin]

It's a big deal when people die. Always. No matter the cause.
It's less of a big deal and disingenuous when said virus is "advertised" as something else by mass media and used for political leveraging, which Covid 19 clearly has been.

You're intelligent. Why have the facts of the ages of these fatalities been either not talked about or placed at the bottom of the story in fine print?

Yes, I’d concede this is a fair point. The media constantly talks about cases (across all ages), but you’re right, when it comes to deaths, the emphasis on the AGES of deaths is rarely mentioned. And it should be.

If I were one of the 5 people in control of the media (ha), I’d advocate for a slogan like, “wear a mask for grandma and grandpa.”

 

[SWAdude]

If I were one of the 5 people in control of the media (ha), I’d advocate for a slogan like, “wear a mask for grandma and grandpa.”

My 88 year old mother is mad as hell at how this country is destroying her Grand and Great-grand children's future ignoring the simplicity of protecting people like her.

One of my best friends 97 year old mother is on day 8 or 9 with Covid. She chose to live her life and not let Covid control the time she has left. Her only symptom is fatigue. She had a really good day yesterday.

Fear is a powerful tool. The apparent ease of spreading fear is very concerning.