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Rumor is that Toub is Plan B. Indy comes out ahead imo if Toub hires a good OC and a good DC.

Checkered history hiring a current Special Teams Coach as Head Coach. John Harbaugh has been a success, but others in the past not so much. Unsure on Toub, somewhat old for a first time Head Coach at 55 and I'm not sure this late in the game, he would put together a solid staff. If it was me Counselor, I would hire John DeFilippo.
 

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Good old Paycheck McD.

What an absolute douche.

I hope nothing but failure for that egomaniac. The Pats are putting themselves in a sticky situation here. Is Belichick retiring anytime soon? What if he wants to continue coaching for another 5 years or so? McDaniels isn't waiting 5 years. You gonna push Bill out then? Gotta be confident that Bill is retiring soon. I guarantee they are lining that job up for him.
 

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What a fucking jackass. I hope McDouchel's flames out completely.
 

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Can’t say I’m too surprised since Character, unless we’re taking dubious, clearly doesn’t factor in to the “Patriot Way”
 
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nfirm-josh-mcdaniels-will-not-be-their-coach/

The team released a statement that cancelled both that press conference and the end of their coaching search.

“After agreeing to contract terms to become the Indianapolis Colts’ new head coach, New England Patriots assistant coach Josh McDaniels this evening informed us that he would not be joining our team,” the team said in a statement. “Although we are surprised and disappointed, we will resume our head coaching search immediately and find the right fit to lead our team and organization on and off the field. The scheduled press conference at Lucas Oil Stadium will not take place tomorrow. More information will be forthcoming.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/06/colts-have-no-legal-recourse-against-josh-mcdaniels/

Colts have no legal recourse against Josh McDaniels
Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2018

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Some of you have asked whether the the decision by Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to jilt the Colts creates any type of legal liability. It does not.

Put simply, McDaniels has no responsibility to the Colts because he never signed a contract. From the NFL’s perspective, no deal is done until it’s actually done. Although the Colts contend in their statement announcing the resumption of their coaching search that McDaniels “agreed to terms,” he didn’t officially agree via the execution of a binding document.

If he had signed the contract, the Colts ultimately couldn’t have forced McDaniels to work for them. But they could have prevented him from working for the Patriots or anyone else.

Based upon promises possibly made by McDaniels during the recruitment and negotiation, the Colts could be able to craft legal arguments that don’t depend on a signed, written contract. But the Colts would be foolish to raise them, since doing so would make it clear that the Colts violated league rules preventing them from hiring McDaniels while he was still finishing up his season with the Patriots.

So there’s nothing the Colts can do about this, other than to realize that they never should have announced the hiring until they had McDaniels signed, sealed, and delivered to Indianapolis.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/06/who-will-the-colts-interview/

Who will the Colts interview?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 6, 2018

As PFT reported earlier tonight, the Colts were bracing for the possibility of Josh McDaniels not signing the paperwork that would have made him the next head coach of the team. Three candidates are expected to be interviewed in the next 24-48 hours.

For now, it’s not known who they are. Possibilities (in our view, with no inside information for now) include Chiefs special-teams coordinator Dave Toub, Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, Eagles offensive coordinator Frank Reich, Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, Bills defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, and former Falcons and Seahawks coach Jim Mora.

Toub worked with Colts G.M. Chris Ballard in Kansas City. Many believed Toub would be the first choice to replace Chuck Pagano; ultimately, Toub wasn’t even interviewed.

Schwartz, Reich, and DeFilippo currently have the shine of a Super Bowl championship, having beaten McDaniels and the Patriots. Schwartz and DeFilippo both interviewed for the Cardinals’ job last month.

Frazier once worked for the Colts as an assistant to Tony Dungy, and Frazier surely would get the endorsement of his former boss. Mora’s father coached the Colts before Dungy.

Then there’s Dungy. He joked on PFT Live recently that he’d come back to coaching for $20 million per year. And while he’s been officially done for nine years, this could be the kind of situation that makes him at least think for a minute or two about a return, even though it remains highly, highly unlikely that Dungy would emerge from retirement.
 

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McDaniels is a massive POS for doing this. He hasn’t even spoken to the staff he hired as assistants at the Colts.

No way he gets another HC job unless it’s in New England which has to what he’s been told is gonna happen.
 

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and to think some people wanted me banned when i kept calling him by his consensus name by every person that watches the nfl, mcdouche, after the rams signed him.

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Well Josh, you'd better hope you get the Patriots job after Belichek goes, because you have just given 31 other owners a reason to not trust you or ever even consider you for their job.

What a d!ck, and what an idiot.
 

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I don't, but I know it happened. IIRC, he did it a day after his introductory press conference.
If everyone hasn't already, I recommend watching that 30-on-30 "The Two Bills" (Parcells and Bellichick)... very interesting, and they spend some time on that whole mess (Bellichick backing out after he committed to NYJ).

Yup, he taught "MickeyD" just how to be a scumbag...

Well, MickeyD better get that NE HC gig... because this article is most likely right... he's burned all his bridges now and is probably viewed as a nutjob.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/josh-mcd...s-cautionary-tale-31-nfl-teams-060451467.html

MickeyD is nothing without Bellichick and Brady. Most NE fans would even tell you that. And it was proven when he was the OC for the Rams. Never looked around and tried to understand what his personnel was... just kept Bradford dropping back deep and getting clobbered until he went down.

Couldn't stand him when he was with the Rams (took a lot of heat for it)... pretty sure my instincts were right.

Hey... but what do I know?

I wish him nothing but the worst. Scumbag.
 

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and to think some people wanted me banned when i kept calling him by his consensus name by every person that watches the nfl, mcdouche, after the rams signed him.

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I am quite sure I was not one of them giving you grief.

My moniker for him, MickeyD, was roundly rebuked.

My gut always told me he was slime... my gut always told me Fisher was slime.. I think I'll stick with my gut - which - BTW, is feeling GREAT about the Rams coaching staff!!
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Gotta laugh about Josh McDaniel's

I liked Wayne.
I remember a scene, where Wayne shot a guy in the back....didn't like him as much then...had a funny saying...my buddy always laughs and said that was the "real" duke. LOLOL
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/07/agent-chastises-mcdaniels-for-not-taking-colts-job/

Agent chastises McDaniels for not taking Colts job
Posted by Mike Florio on February 7, 2018

At a time when some think Colts G.M. Chris Ballard may part ways with the agent who represents both Ballard and not-quite Colts coach Josh McDaniels, McDaniels may want to reconsider his relationship with Bob Lamonte, too.

According to Mike Garafolo of NFL Media, Lamonte told McDaniels that he was “making perhaps the biggest professional mistake of his career” by bailing on the Colts.

If Lamonte truly believes that (in other words, if he isn’t simply doing damage control), Lamonte should fire his client. And if McDaniels thinks that Lamonte leaked this warning in order to allow Lamonte to engage in damage control, McDaniels should fire his agent.

As one source said in the immediate aftermath of the McDaniels news emerging on Tuesday night, this one quickly will become a “major storm of sh-t.” And it has.

If everyone hasn't already, I recommend watching that 30-on-30 "The Two Bills" (Parcells and Bellichick)... very interesting, and they spend some time on that whole mess (Bellichick backing out after he committed to NYJ).

Watched it recently. There was definitely some bad blood between those two because of Belichick's decision to leave the Jets at the altar.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...arned-from-the-bears-mess-with-dave-mcginnis/

Colts should have learned from the Bears’ mess with Dave McGinnis
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 7, 2018

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In 1999, the Bears announced that they had hired Dave McGinnis as their next head coach. One problem: McGinnis hadn’t signed the contract the Bears gave him. And as McGinnis, his wife and his agent sat in a Chicago hotel room looking over the contract, the breaking news that he was the Bears’ next head coach came on the TV. McGinnis was none too pleased that the Bears put out the announcement before he signed, didn’t like the terms of the contract, and walked away.

Other teams should have learned from that, but the Colts didn’t. On Tuesday the Colts announced that Josh McDaniels would be their next head coach, but by Tuesday night McDaniels had informed them he wasn’t taking the job.

McDaniels never signed a contract with the Colts, never put out a public statement saying he would be the next Colts head coach, and repeatedly refused to answer reporters when they asked him if he’d coach the Colts. So why did the Colts put out the announcement?

Maybe the Colts thought a verbal agreement was good enough. Or maybe the Colts knew that (as PFT reported on Sunday) McDaniels was wavering, and they thought putting out a public announcement would make him feel like he had no choice but to follow through. Either way, there’s a lesson to be learned in this.

The lesson is clear: Don’t announce your next head coach without a signed contract.
 

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/07/josh-mcdaniels-colts-patriots-changes-mind-peter-king

The Josh McDaniels U-Turn: Coach Abandons Colts After Patriots Convince Him to Stay
By PETER KING

Tuesday was supposed to be a momentous day for Josh McDaniels. The Colts were going to announce—and did—the hiring of the 41-year-old Tom Brady mentor as the new Indianapolis coach, and he was going to fly to Indianapolis to prepare for a Wednesday press conference. One Patriots source said McDaniels actually drove to Gillette Stadium on Tuesday morning to clean out his office and say his goodbyes.

Tuesday was momentous for McDaniels, as it turned out, but for another reason. Owner Robert Kraft and coach Bill Belichick, still smarting two days after a sobering Super Bowl 52 loss to the Eagles halfway across the country, met with McDaniels at length Tuesday in Foxboro and convinced him by late afternoon to stay.

He wouldn’t have to clean out his office after all. But it might take McDaniels some time to clean up the damage done by leaving his friend, Colts GM Chris Ballard, at the altar, looking for a new head coach five weeks after Indy’s original search began.

For the Colts, the bummer is having lost out on the coach that was 1b to McDaniels’ 1a—Houston defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel, who was hired by the Titans when it appeared McDaniels would get the Indianapolis job.

The stunner for Ballard was getting the phone call from McDaniels around dinner time Tuesday, especially after Ballard and McDaniels talked for more than 90 minutes Monday night about the 2018 Colts coaching staff.

That’s a sign that the McDaniels-Patriots marriage got somehow rekindled in a long day of talks in Foxboro. A source close to the story said late Tuesday night that, as part of his agreement to stay in New England, McDaniels got no written assurance that he will succeed the 65-year-old Belichick when he walks away from the job.

No one knows when that will be. Belichick will coach at least this year, and at the Super Bowl last week, one longtime Belichick acquaintance said he thought Belichick would coach multiple years in New England, despite the reports of discord between him and Kraft.

It’s clear McDaniels would get first consideration to take over for Belichick when Belichick leaves. That’s assuming McDaniels would still be on the staff when that happens. It seems absurd to think McDaniels might get a future offer to coach another team after leaving the Colts high and dry, but remember two things: Belichick landed on his feet (in New England) when he jilted the Jets and was radioactive in 2000.

And the Patriots’ last two directors of player personnel—Scott Pioli (former) and Nick Caserio (current)—are high on McDaniels and could seek to hire him if they sit in GM chairs outside of New England in the future.

Why did this happen? A few reasons:

• The biggest: McDaniels felt more comfortable staying in New England than he did taking the Colts’ job, particularly after hearing pitches from Kraft and Belichick. According to the source, McDaniels hadn’t heard such enticements to stay from the team since the end of the season, and so felt at the end of the regular season like this was a good time to seek another job so long as it would come in a place with a good quarterback and GM he trusted.

• The source said McDaniels felt better about the Patriots’ structure and long-term prospects than about Indy’s, even with Brady playing next season at 41. That leaves open something that could not be confirmed—the prospect of McDaniels being concerned with what ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported Sunday, that Andrew Luck might have to have another surgery on his rehabbing throwing shoulder.

It would be surprising if the shoulder injury that unexpectedly kept Luck out for the entire season last year was not at least some factor in this decision. However, Luck is working out with noted throwing-mechanics gurus Tom House and Adam Dedeaux—Brady’s throwing coaches too—in California, and a source told me Tuesday that they are optimistic that Luck will be fine for the start of training camp.

• McDaniels is very close to his family—he is married with four young children—but any reticence to move his family was not part of the decision, I was told.

• McDaniels, the source said, felt he could have taken the Colts’ job and been happy and made it work. But McDaniels has said at recent Super Bowl press availabilities that he would only want to take a job in a place with a good quarterback, a good GM, and a good chance to win.

Otherwise, he’d stay in New England, even if it meant he might not get the chance to be a head coach again. He was 11-17 in his prior shot (Denver, 2009-10), presiding over the failed Tim Tebow experiment. Something had to be missing for him not to go through with his.

The Colts have dealt with a tragedy in the past few days. Early Sunday morning, linebacker Edwin Jackson and his Uber driver were out of their vehicle in central Indiana when a suspected drunk driver plowed into them, killing both men. Now Ballard will deal with the organization’s emotions surrounding Jackson while opening a second coaching search.

There are several good candidates—Chiefs special teams coach Dave Toub, and Eagles assistants Jim Schwartz, Frank Reich and John DeFilippo among them—but Ballard will likely take his time with the search. He’s not competing with anyone now, obviously.

McDaniels, I was told Tuesday night, felt terrible about the damage left in his wake, with the Colts already having signed contracts with three coaches for his proposed staff. But regardless of the circumstances with this story, it won’t matter how sorry he is.

McDaniels won’t escape the wrath of Hoosiers for a long time—luckily for him, the Colts and Patriots play in 2018, but the game is in New England—and he could feel cold shoulders with men in the coaching fraternity. In any collegial business like coaching, going back on your word and affecting families is verboten. And McDaniels should anticipate more columns like these.

Prospective defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, signed away from Dallas, wants to be a defensive coordinator and so would be likely to want to stay in this job. This becomes a sticky issue. If the Colts hire a head coach who either works on the defensive side of the ball or is an offensive guy, would he want Eberflus? That could be tough for Ballard to navigate.

This story has a Four Weddings and a Funeral feel. On his wedding day, Hugh Grant goes to the church, decides he doesn’t want to get married to the woman in the wedding dress, and it’s called off—but not before she slugs him in the jaw.

That movie might be pretty popular in Indiana on Netflix today.
 

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Watched it recently. There was definitely some bad blood between those two because of Belichick's decision to leave the Jets at the altar.
I'd go past "bad blood"... I think they hated each other with a white hot intensity.

Clearly, they have moved on now... but, when it happened and for some time afterward? They hated each other (especially Parcells -> Bellichick)