Coach Mcvay show (warning, Goff thread incoming)

[payote75]

I actually like Ben Maller. O think he is a pisser and has some good views. Let me know what you guys think. I hope it works I'm not great at this stuff lol


View: https://twitter.com/benmaller/status/1324552083194974213?s=09

Sorry I probably should have clarified I didn't say I agreed with his point of view but I do like him most times. He is on point and very entertaining for sports radio which often times can get mundane.

 

[dieterbrock]

Robert woods is a tier 2 receiver but Robert woods in the 3 years I am referencing was not however in his last two years he has done more than Anderson has ever done. He has almost 2400 yards recieving and over 176 receptions.

Woods has been a stud for the Rams, 1200-1300 yards of offense per season when in Buffalo he was only around 600 yards. Anderson is seeing the same type of bump going from a weak offense to a good one. Its the same scenario. Although Anderson was better for the Jets than Woods was for the Bills...

Would you be opposed to Sam Darnold as a back up for a year under mcvay (at a cost we are all ok with if the opportunity should arise) while we wait on Goff to take a positive leap forward or would you prefer a back up plan? And if you don't like Darnold I understand but give me someone who you think would fit hopefully long term. I don't want to waste AD's career and I don't want a Fitzpatrick type. For mcvay to have true ownership of this team he may want his own quarter back. So I don't mind that and I thi.k at some point we have all said Goff looks like he in a funk or asleep or blah so maybe the USC guy will motivate him spark him.

McVay has his QB, it's Goff.
He got us to the Superbowl, he'll be just fine.
The backup QB really doesnt mean much, the days of the long term backup QB are gone. As much as I was shocked Wolford got the #2 job, I'm fine with him keeping it as long as the $$ stays low

 

[Tano]

I'd like hear more about these better plays. What were they and how were they different. Do tell I am legitimately curious about this.

Just as an example

Dolphins went into a Cover 0 Blitz in the 4th qtr and on one play Goff threw a WR screen immediately to Kupp and he gain 20 yards on the play. I can't remember the others but that was one example that blew the Cover 0 blitz out of the water.

That play was there for the taking all game long.

That play at worst based on how the dolphins were defending in the Cover 0 blitz would have gained at minimum 5 yards and probably a lot more.

 

[payote75]

Woods has been a stud for the Rams, 1200-1300 yards of offense per season when in Buffalo he was only around 600 yards. Anderson is seeing the same type of bump going from a weak offense to a good one. Its the same scenario. Although Anderson was better for the Jets than Woods was for the Bills...

McVay has his QB, it's Goff.
He got us to the Superbowl, he'll be just fine.
The backup QB really doesnt mean much, the days of the long term backup QB are gone. As much as I was shocked Wolford got the #2 job, I'm fine with him keeping it as long as the $$ stays low

I'd be fine with that too but I'd feel better with another mcvay groomed young possible franchise quarterback on the cheap.
Unfortunately love Goff but he hasn't taken that next step yet and you cannot wait forever. AD is not immortal and as I said earlier a spark could help push Goff no competition could make for complacency.
I guess we just just disagree but my I still think there is to much invested in this team these players this market so I feel safer with a back up plan with the possibility of it paying great rewards if Goff doesn't progress or god forbid gets hurt.

 

[Merlin]

Just as an example

Dolphins went into a Cover 0 Blitz in the 4th qtr and on one play Goff threw a WR screen immediately to Kupp and he gain 20 yards on the play. I can't remember the others but that was one example that blew the Cover 0 blitz out of the water.

That play was there for the taking all game long.

That play at worst based on how the dolphins were defending in the Cover 0 blitz would have gained at minimum 5 yards and probably a lot more.

Are you certain that screen wasn't run in the first half? Because we did run them in that first half.

One thing I did notice was the same swing pass that hadn't worked earlier working really well with Akers. Not trying to be a dick here believe it or not I really am interested because I didn't really notice a big change in the scheme.

 

[Tano]

Are you certain that screen wasn't run in the first half? Because we did run them in that first half.

One thing I did notice was the same swing pass that hadn't worked earlier working really well with Akers. Not trying to be a dick here believe it or not I really am interested because I didn't really notice a big change in the scheme.

I am doing this based on memory but I swear I remember Kupps run being a couple plays before Everetts drop

I will have to rewatch that game - crap

 

[Mojo Ram]

Brockers was asked how an offense can beat a cover zero and he basically responded "hit them with one or two big plays and they'll back out of it".

In that same breath he mentioned draw plays, which were nowhere to be found. The Rams adjusted by basically putting the RB behind center in front of Goff to blitz pickup. It helped but of course MIA adjusted as well and attacked the edges instead.
Man, a draw here or there could have been a very big play with Goff just handing off.

I'd like to see some draws run other than give up play situations at the end of halves, 3rd and a mile etc. Draws can kill a blitz just like the hot read pass can.

 

[dieterbrock]

Unfortunately love Goff but he hasn't taken that next step yet and you cannot wait forever

He got the Rams to the Superbowl, which isnt easy to do.
I would imagine that the Rams will draft a QB one of these years, kind of surprised they havent yet. There is no cheaper deal than that.

 

[Ram_Rally]

In that same breath he mentioned draw plays, which were nowhere to be found. The Rams adjusted by basically putting the RB behind center in front of Goff to blitz pickup. It helped but of course MIA adjusted as well and attacked the edges instead.
Man, a draw here or there could have been a very big play with Goff just handing off.

I'd like to see some draws run other than give up play situations at the end of halves, 3rd and a mile etc. Draws can kill a blitz just like the hot read pass can.

I'd like to see some too

 

[Ramlock]

I'd be fine with that too but I'd feel better with another mcvay groomed young possible franchise quarterback on the cheap.

Doesn't everyone?

 

[Ellard80]

In that same breath he mentioned draw plays, which were nowhere to be found. The Rams adjusted by basically putting the RB behind center in front of Goff to blitz pickup. It helped but of course MIA adjusted as well and attacked the edges instead.
Man, a draw here or there could have been a very big play with Goff just handing off.

I'd like to see some draws run other than give up play situations at the end of halves, 3rd and a mile etc. Draws can kill a blitz just like the hot read pass can.

You mentioned this earlier and I have seen that over 35 years of watching football. But that play seems to be dead in the nfl for whatever reason - i think it may be the speed of the defenses. Because of fantasy football i watch so many nfl games on sunday going on a 15 years now and I just dont see them anymore. Maybe because no teams do it anymore it might work? It might be worth a try at least once.

 

[payote75]

He got the Rams to the Superbowl, which isnt easy to do.
I would imagine that the Rams will draft a QB one of these years, kind of surprised they havent yet. There is no cheaper deal than that.

Yea but every game thread there seems to be a lot of uncertainty over if or when Goff can take that next step. So Sam Darnolds don't become available to often. Can't rely on a low round pick to bring in real competition for Goff unless you get lucky. A lot of GM's and or coaches want there own guy and I think mcvay has done well with Goff but you never know. Well I'm loyal to a fault but I also like to be prepared.
I'm grateful he got us to the Superbowl bit the fact remains since that game we have been waiting for him to power up a level so how long would you wait? I definitely get what your saying too so all good. I just don't want to ever go back to looking for another qb for 15 years again. I see the struggles all over the league and it's worrisome.

 

[payote75]

Doesn't everyone?

Yea that's my point that's why I'm saying I'd jump all over it if it presented itself. Not hating on Goff at all. Can't just say we have good he got us to a superbowl....doesn't end there and for the rams to get to another superbowl he has to take that next step.

 

[Gandalf]

Is our roster good enough to use a decent pick on one? I'd personally rather double down on Goff for now

We never have enough picks left to draft what we need to draft. A first rounder once in a while would be great. Instead of getting young talent with low salaries, we trade for players that are at the end of their contracts and are looking to get paid.

 

[dieterbrock]

Yea but every game thread there seems to be a lot of uncertainty over if or when Goff can take that next step. So Sam Darnolds don't become available to often. Can't rely on a low round pick to bring in real competition for Goff unless you get lucky.

Well, I dont worry about what is said in game threads about Goff, on a week to week basis he's either in the top 10 or needs to be replaced. He is the franchise QB. Sam Darnold's, Josh Rosen's, Jameis Winston's, Jake Locker's etc etc, come along all the time, and they go.
Bringing in a qb for "competition" is just fan talk. You dont give a QB 110 mill guaranteed unless you're damn sure he's you guy for the foreseeable future.
If the time comes that the Rams want to move off Goff, they'll find a way to move up and draft a guy

 

[payote75]

Well, I dont worry about what is said in game threads about Goff, on a week to week basis he's either in the top 10 or needs to be replaced. He is the franchise QB. Sam Darnold's, Josh Rosen's, Jameis Winston's, Jake Locker's etc etc, come along all the time, and they go.
Bringing in a qb for "competition" is just fan talk. You dont give a QB 110 mill guaranteed unless you're damn sure he's you guy for the foreseeable future.
If the time comes that the Rams want to move off Goff, they'll find a way to move up and draft a guy

We tried that for 15 years didn't work out well. And those guys don't always come along or franchises wouldn't be looking for franchise quarterbacks constantly.

Tannehill under gase how'd that go now look at him now and he got paid.

Goff is our quarterback he needs to take another step and your right we paid him so he needs to perform as as one of the best qbs in the league not a top 10-15.

And just because you hand out a huge contract doesn't mean it guarantees someone taking it to the next level. See Minnesota and Kirk Cousins who some could even argue is not to far off from Goff. Goff got us to a superbowl but let's not make it like he put us on his shoulders like Maholmes did the chiefs and got us there. He was part of a team and another important cog a piece if you will. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl to he was a piece not Joe Namath.

I don't see why it's a big deal to have a young possible franchise quarterback as a back up if you can. The only one who should feel threatened is goff not us. Complacency can set in with the best of players.

 

[dieterbrock]

We tried that for 15 years didn't work out well.

No they didnt.
Maybe I missed it, what other Rams QB avg 4300 yards, 30 TD and took team to SB before signing the largest guaranteed contract?
Teams dont develop re-tread QB's in to "franchise QB's" on the bench, that's silly, and the idea that Darnold is one is even sillier. He's garbage just like the rest of the USC QB's that dont cut it in the NFL.
If you think Goff and Dilfer shared the same value on their teams, you clearly dont know the difference between a football and a coconut.
*If* the Rams are gonna be developing a QB, its one they'll draft

 

[PhillyRam]

Robert woods is a tier 2 receiver but Robert woods in the 3 years I am referencing was not however in his last two years he has done more than Anderson has ever done. He has almost 2400 yards recieving and over 176 receptions.

Anderson is a different type of receiver but they are not both studs. Anderson at least not yet.

Also I know Goff is the one throwing him the ball but I am not bashing Goff I just want my team to have a back up plan should Goff not take that next step or regress.

Lastly in fairness Goff has had better weapons now and the 3 years I was referencing.

So dieterbrock I see you weighing in and I know neither of us hate Goff but I don't want to get off the subject. Respectfully I ask you what the original post was about:

Would you be opposed to Sam Darnold as a back up for a year under mcvay (at a cost we are all ok with if the opportunity should arise) while we wait on Goff to take a positive leap forward or would you prefer a back up plan? And if you don't like Darnold I understand but give me someone who you think would fit hopefully long term. I don't want to waste AD's career and I don't want a Fitzpatrick type. For mcvay to have true ownership of this team he may want his own quarter back. So I don't mind that and I thi.k at some point we have all said Goff looks like he in a funk or asleep or blah so maybe the USC guy will motivate him spark him.

You are not getting Darnold cheap. He will be traded and teams like Chicago, Carolina, Las Vegas, New England, San Fran, Atlanta, Indianapolis, and possibly New Orleans would all have interest.

He is not an option unless you are swapping out Goff.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Goff got us to a superbowl but let's not make it like he put us on his shoulders like Maholmes did the chiefs and got us there.

I'm curious, what did mahomnes do better than what goff did in the nfc championship game?

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[payote75]

No they didnt.
Maybe I missed it, what other Rams QB avg 4300 yards, 30 TD and took team to SB before signing the largest guaranteed contract?
Teams dont develop re-tread QB's in to "franchise QB's" on the bench, that's silly, and the idea that Darnold is one is even sillier. He's garbage just like the rest of the USC QB's that dont cut it in the NFL.
If you think Goff and Dilfer shared the same value on their teams, you clearly dont know the difference between a football and a coconut.
*If* the Rams are gonna be developing a QB, its one they'll draft

Listen don't get your panties in a bunch and don't insult people's football iq because they don't agree with your opinion.
Get your football straight Dilfer was more important cause he actually won a superbowl he did his job he didn't lose the game for his team he at least game managed properly and helped his team win a superbowl. He was part of the winning equation and got a ring. Just like a noodle armed peyton Manning and many others.
Amazing how your such an expert and can call a kid who is barely 23 years of age a retread based on what??? 3 years of a joke of a team or offense? Gase ruined Miami ruined Tannehill so history repeats itself.

Your not going to bait me to bash Goff because I'm not bashing him at the same time I want what's best for the team I root for. So wether it's Darnold or someone else that can push Goff to hopefully get him to that 36 million dollar a year level I'm all for it. What I won't do is wear Goff blinders and say he is where we need him to be. You don't care about what people say in the game day thread you obviously have issue with someone having an opposing view so I guess the buck stops with you????
I root for a team not an individual and I also don't declare someone our franchise qb based on pay. If Goff doesn't take that step then he isn't living up to his contact and things need to happen. Just like any other occupation! Do we really feel like waiting his contract out if he does not progress and then what let poor AD who is actually worth more than his contract fall by the wayside? Or keep trying to take quarterbacks in the draft maybe we will hit like oh say a Tony Banks or T.J. Rubley lol!!!!
I responded to everything in a respectful manner. I like having football conversations and I don't jump on anyone. I respect people's point of view even if it goes back and forth. Perhaps you should work on that a bit. Most people on this board know football so try and relax unless Goff is like your cousin or something then I apologize.