Coach Mcvay show (warning, Goff thread incoming)

[payote75]

I'm curious, what did mahomnes do better than what goff did in the nfc championship game?

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Wasn't his team down like in every game? Wasn't his team trailing by like more than what 20 PTS? I don't remember. He also turned it on in the Superbowl when he had to. Made some clutch throws.

And trust me bro I'm not comparing those two. Even as a rams fan I can say they are not in the same universe. Sorry if that offends anyone but it's true no? I hope we can agree on that lol.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Wasn't his team down like in every game? Wasn't his team trailing by like more than what 20 PTS? I don't remember. He also turned it on in the Superbowl when he had to. Made some clutch throws.

And trust me bro I'm not comparing those two. Even as a rams fan I can say they are not in the same universe. Sorry if that offends anyone but it's true no? I hope we can agree on that lol.

I've said it before, if Jimmy G could hit an open wr in the 4th qtr the chiefs and mahommes don't get close to victory.

If cooks hangs on to 2 tds throws in the endzone the Rams probably win the superbowl.

Don't look at the result and judge how the qbs played. Mahommes looked just as shaky as goff did in the superbowl. Goff made the throws to win the game just like mahommes did at the end.

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[payote75]

I've said it before, if Jimmy G could hit an open wr in the 4th qtr the chiefs and mahommes don't get close to victory.

If cooks hangs on to 2 tds throws in the endzone the Rams probably win the superbowl.

Don't look at the result and judge how the qbs played. Mahommes looked just as shaky as goff did in the superbowl. Goff made the throws to win the game just like mahommes did at the end.

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Yea dude I see what your saying but he made more crucial throws. Those actually happened. "If's is just what we think could should or would of happened. The cooks throw broken up by mcourty cooks was open a long time that ball should have been there way before but those details is what makes good and great.
Goff was excellent in the saints game held it together helped his team win. Probably the most clutch he has ever been which I have mentioned a lot when media pundits etc. mention all negative crap.
Having said all that we really aren't putting Goff and Maholmes on the same level RT? My major point is we want him to go to the upper tier level take that step but he hasn't yet.
He isn't there with Maholmes or Rodgers etc.
I feel this conversation is taking so many turns.

My whole point wasn't to dissect criticise or put Goff down. My point was to say that as a fan of the rams I would just want a back up plan having sufferered for so many years like most of us have. I just see some things that a lot of this board complains about from week to week and rhat worry me as well. So the rams have done well keeping the window open so I just want to protect that and have a qb in the fold if I'm case Goff doesn't take that step.
I also am wondering if have such a back up would light that fire for Goff and make him be better.
Look at all the talk that surrounded Rodgers and how he is reacting to the Packers drafting Love and he has only like one receiver lol.
I'm all seriousness it just goes back to maybe some non complacency and competition could push Goff that's all was that simple.
If people didn't like Darnold that's fine but to call him garbage or a retread well that's a bit unfair. I think that could be how it branches off everywhere lol.
In the end is it fair to say Goff needs to be better needs to take that next step???? All I'm doing is trying to provide an idea. Is say time but then how much time? And how much of AD's career are we willing to continue to gamble on. He is getting older and thankfully has never suffer a major injury. If not Darnold my point a young qb with promise under mcvay is a good thing for many reasons and also let's not forget Goff has been very durable as well I give him credit for that too.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

McVay praised our OL again for their performance during the Dolphins' game. Staley and our D seem to be on the rise to say the least, and we're adding A'Shawn. We know what Goff and our WRs and TEs can do. We destroyed the Phins on the field, despite our QB's worst game. A strong OL can move a lot of needles--they made it to the bye intact and are likely to continue to gel together. I'm really optimistic.

Additional thought tho: Any chance O'Connell's handling of Goff's mechanics has caused a regression? Sometimes you just have to let a guy play and do his thing....

 

[dieterbrock]

Listen don't get your panties in a bunch and don't insult people's football iq because they don't agree with your opinion.
Get your football straight Dilfer was more important cause he actually won a superbowl he did his job he didn't lose the game for his team he at least game managed properly and helped his team win a superbowl. He was part of the winning equation and got a ring. Just like a noodle armed peyton Manning and many others.
Amazing how your such an expert and can call a kid who is barely 23 years of age a retread based on what??? 3 years of a joke of a team or offense? Gase ruined Miami ruined Tannehill so history repeats itself.

Your not going to bait me to bash Goff because I'm not bashing him at the same time I want what's best for the team I root for. So wether it's Darnold or someone else that can push Goff to hopefully get him to that 36 million dollar a year level I'm all for it. What I won't do is wear Goff blinders and say he is where we need him to be. You don't care about what people say in the game day thread you obviously have issue with someone having an opposing view so I guess the buck stops with you????
I root for a team not an individual and I also don't declare someone our franchise qb based on pay. If Goff doesn't take that step then he isn't living up to his contact and things need to happen. Just like any other occupation! Do we really feel like waiting his contract out if he does not progress and then what let poor AD who is actually worth more than his contract fall by the wayside? Or keep trying to take quarterbacks in the draft maybe we will hit like oh say a Tony Banks or T.J. Rubley lol!!!!
I responded to everything in a respectful manner. I like having football conversations and I don't jump on anyone. I respect people's point of view even if it goes back and forth. Perhaps you should work on that a bit. Most people on this board know football so try and relax unless Goff is like your cousin or something then I apologize.

Who's panties are in a bunch?
You think Dilfer was as important to the Ravens as Goff was to the 2018 Rams? Good grief.
Just take a chill pill, read what I've said and maybe reply after you calm down. We arent really that far off in what we are saying. Im all for bringing in a draft pick, give the kid a year or so to learn the system and then possibly compete when Goff contract is running out. It makes no sense to bring in a re-tread on a 1 year deal to ride the pine
The Rams are happy with Goff, only monday morning QB fans judge him after a bad game. . Darnold will be a re-tread after the Jets dispense of him when they draft his replacement. I wouldnt doubt a team may offer him a deal with a chance to start, a place with a shaky starter like Jacksonville, Denver, Washington or an Indy.
Teams live or die with their starter QB. Sure there is the anomaly of the Nick Foles, but that is so far the exception and not the rule. Like finding a Warner bagging groceries or a Tom Brady in the 6th round.

 

[payote75]

Who's panties are in a bunch?
You think Dilfer was as important to the Ravens as Goff was to the 2018 Rams? Good grief.
Just take a chill pill, read what I've said and maybe reply after you calm down. We arent really that far off in what we are saying. Im all for bringing in a draft pick, give the kid a year or so to learn the system and then possibly compete when Goff contract is running out. It makes no sense to bring in a re-tread on a 1 year deal to ride the pine
The Rams are happy with Goff, only monday morning QB fans judge him after a bad game. . Darnold will be a re-tread after the Jets dispense of him when they draft his replacement. I wouldnt doubt a team may offer him a deal with a chance to start, a place with a shaky starter like Jacksonville, Denver, Washington or an Indy.
Teams live or die with their starter QB. Sure there is the anomaly of the Nick Foles, but that is so far the exception and not the rule. Like finding a Warner bagging groceries or a Tom Brady in the 6th round.

It's like word twisting lol . I have said I like Darnold personally but i want someone to make goff feel pressured and do better not get complacent. The reason i pick Darnold is because I feel he isn't a retread. He came out so early that he still young enough that he is like a draft pick. That's why I said opportunities like that don't happen often. Like we have no 1st round pick so if Sam Darnold was in this draft we wouldn't ever even get a sniff if we had a pick. Even my Tannehill example and how he has flourished and is in the top echelon of qbs right now statistically is a retread and he is significantly older that's why I admittedly am fixated on Darnold. Would be like a 1st round pick at his young age.

What I know is
goff is a better quarterback than Dilfer what we know is Dilfer has a ring and actually won and didnt lose it for his team. So facts are making and winning a superbowl are entirely different.

Does anyone really remember jake delhomme when he actually helped lead his team to the Superbowl and had a hell of a better game than Goff did. I'd say no So we can go back and forth bottom line I want better for Goff and for our team so I/we need him to be better. That simple. I hope we agree on that as well.

We are basically saying the same thing and probably just disagree on Darnold but I thought I did ask who would you think would light a fire? And not like a 4th round or 5th round pick. Lol

I think I'm also defending Darnold cause I see him play and how bad the jets have been living in NY....no line since he was drafted no weapons...they started by signing bell but gase sucks (I mean horrific) and a running back with no line no receivers nor tight ends. I just feel he needs help coaching and then weapons. Imagine good had never gottencvay and would have gone a couple more seasons unde Fischer and that regime? ..My point is for Darnold to be like a mariotta or a Winston and hopefully turn into a Tannehill in case Goff doesn't take the step that was my vision.
We could afford to sit on Darnold a year also cause I don't forsee the rams pulling the plug on Goff anytime soon.

Wasn't being a dick I think we on same page basically seems we just disagree on Darnold and the type of back up???? Lol
Hope I got it right.

 

[Tano]

I am doing this based on memory but I swear I remember Kupps run being a couple plays before Everetts drop

I will have to rewatch that game - crap

Ok I rewatched the two series where Goff moved the ball on the dolphins.

3 of the times that Miami went into a Cover 0 blitz, the Rams threw a WR screen and each time the play got anywhere from 7 to 15 yards (including the one I thought Kupp got 20 yards on).

Miami's cornerbacks were playing 7 yards off the line of scrimmage when they were playing the Cover 0 blitz. The Rams could have done that every single time they went into that defense. I don't know why it took Mcvay over 3 quarters to start doing the WR screen.

They didn't do one in the first 3 quarters that I saw. I didn't rewatch the first half but all I remember was Goff taking way too long to throw the ball and getting hit. On the WR screens, he threw the ball immediately to a WR and it worked every single fricken time.

I am really ticked that McVay didn't go to that play earlier. I know he does it too often against other defenses but it would have worked against the Cover 0 blitz that Miami was throwing at the Rams.

Even if the defenders backed off from blitzing it would have taken too long for the defenders to stop the receivers from getting at minimum 5 yards. If the cornerbacks jammed the receivers at the line of scrimmage, then the receivers should be able to beat the cornerbacks on a deeper throw. It would have to be quick but I would have Goff throw it over the head of the receiver and see if he could run under it. I am not a coach so there is probably a better play they could do too.

 

[dieterbrock]

Wasn't being a dick I think we on same page basically seems we just disagree on Darnold and the type of back up???? Lol
Hope I got it right.

We are saying very similar things, and perhaps we're all just a little bitter from the shit sandwich we had to eat on Sunday. I look at any QB who was drafted, had a team built around him and for him and then got released/traded so they could move on to another is a re-tread. The title of re-tread is semantic to me, its about the contract that the QB will sign with his next team. Darnold could sign a prove it deal, like Bortles did, but when the QB doesnt miss any time it proved nothing. Give me an early round (2-4) QB and the 4 year deal that comes with it. If the kid lights it up in pre-season like a Russell Wilson, Goff will feel the pressure. If he doesnt, that's fine too, he rides pine a year and comes back stronger the next time.
Im in no way comfortable with our backup right now, but it is what it is
And BTW, USC just made a nice comeback to beat ASU
Go Trojans!

Cheers my Rams brother, we're all on the same team

 

[MauiRam]

I don't know what it will take but the rams must get Darnold. Keep him away from the whiners but he will be a true franchise qb he has the skills and the intelligence. And again not bashing but I think that's where Goff might lack is in the intelligence part of the game.

I don't know about acquiring another "Sam" to play quarterback. Goff knows he needs to play better, and McVay definitely needs to coach better. As another pointed out - Sean's offense isn't fooling teams nowadays. If he's still a "genius" he must conjure up some new wrinkles for each and every game. That, and run the damn ball more often - especially when we are doing so successfully.

 

[payote75]

We are saying very similar things, and perhaps we're all just a little bitter from the shit sandwich we had to eat on Sunday. I look at any QB who was drafted, had a team built around him and for him and then got released/traded so they could move on to another is a re-tread. The title of re-tread is semantic to me, its about the contract that the QB will sign with his next team. Darnold could sign a prove it deal, like Bortles did, but when the QB doesnt miss any time it proved nothing. Give me an early round (2-4) QB and the 4 year deal that comes with it. If the kid lights it up in pre-season like a Russell Wilson, Goff will feel the pressure. If he doesnt, that's fine too, he rides pine a year and comes back stronger the next time.
Im in no way comfortable with our backup right now, but it is what it is
And BTW, USC just made a nice comeback to beat ASU
Go Trojans!

Cheers my Rams brother, we're all on the same team

I gotcha bro your one of the best posters on here so I like debating with knowledgable peeps but at times writing, texting, etc. can get misinterpreted ...as I'm sure it's probably gotten you into some trouble. I know it has destroyed me in the past Lmao!!! In actual real life!!! I totally get what you mean now. Still a stubborn fuck and want Darnold on the rams but I get it.

Btw bud if Darnold is a whiner next year under shanny and lights us up I'm holding you responsible!!!

 

[payote75]

I don't know about acquiring another "Sam" to play quarterback. Goff knows he needs to play better, and McVay definitely needs to coach better. As another pointed out - Sean's offense isn't fooling teams nowadays. If he's still a "genius" he must conjure up some new wrinkles for each and every game. That, and run the damn ball more often - especially when we are doing so successfully.

My post wasn't to insult Goff. My post was about improving are depth, motivating Goff possibly, having a back up plan break glass in an emergency (of any kind sucking or injury) and overall improve the team. While I know peopleight not like Darnold that I understand.

I hope Goff takes a leap and becomes the next Dan Marino with a ring or 5 though lol!!!

 

[MauiRam]

My post wasn't to insult Goff. My post was about improving are depth, motivating Goff possibly, having a back up plan break glass in an emergency (of any kind sucking or injury) and overall improve the team. While I know peopleight not like Darnold that I understand.

I hope Goff takes a leap and becomes the next Dan Marino with a ring or 5 though lol!!!

I was just being a wiseass regarding another "Sam". I had high hopes for Bradford when we drafted him, but things didn't work out. Fisher wasn't a quarterback guru - that's for sure.

My Dad graduated from USC, and played DT for them back in the thirties' so growing up in west LA, I was a fan. My Mom went to UCLA so as you can imagine there were some tense moments at those games. My Dad always had tickets. I rooted wholeheartedly for SC back then because if UCLA won, my mom wouldn't shutup about how great UCLA was, and needle my father all the way home - an hour's drive. By the time we'd get home my father, who was a man of few words, would be absolutely stewing, and I knew to not speak unless spoken to for the rest of the evening.

 

[payote75]

I was just being a wiseass regarding another "Sam". I had high hopes for Bradford when we drafted him, but things didn't work out. Fisher wasn't a quarterback guru - that's for sure.

My Dad graduated from USC, and played DT for them back in the thirties' so growing up in west LA, I was a fan. My Mom went to UCLA so as you can imagine there were some tense moments at those games. My Dad always had tickets. I rooted wholeheartedly for SC back then because if UCLA won, my mom wouldn't shutup about how great UCLA was, and needle my father all the way home - an hour's drive. By the time we'd get home my father, who was a man of few words, would be absolutely stewing, and I knew to not speak unless spoken to for the rest of the evening.

That's freakin awesome though dude lolol wow and impressive at the same time!!! DT so you must really love watching AD more than most!! That's some cool stuff right there!!! I would have broken from the pressure lololol

 

[oldnotdead]

Just breaking down Goff's play from the broadcast viewpoint some things stand out about Jared's inconsistent play.

1. He's trying too hard. He simply needs to understand that taking sacks though bad isn't as bad as throwing INTs. Punting with Hekker isn't always a bad thing.

2. Jared is having problems reading the defenses. As I've maintained McVay's system until this year has inhibited Goff's growth as a QB. McVay was in his ear until 15 seconds before the snap and making Jared's initial reads for him. Under McConnell, Jared is being asked to take more of the responsibilities. As such he's like a second-year QB who has experience but is still learning the complexities of NFL defenses. It's going to take time and patience is required. This issue is of McVay's own making so he shouldn't be throwing Goff under the bus.

3. Jared's mechanics are inconsistent. His throws tend to be high and long which bespeaks of poor mechanics. We have seen him throw absolute dimes so it shows when his mechanics are right so, is he. There are several reasons for bad mechanics. I'm not going to go through them all except to say it's correctable and related IMO to #1 & 2. Although the o-line is playing better, he still is under pressure on most of his throws. If he can't break out of the pocket to extend, I would rather see him give himself up and simply protect the ball (again another coaching thing).

4. I think McVay's criticism of Goff in regards to hot reads is a bit unfair. Yes, there are times Goff needs to be more aware of the impending blitzes, but blown calls by Blythe aren't helping. I see at least one or two blown line calls by Blythe every game. Additionally, it's also up to the WRs to recognize blitzes as well and break off their routes. Too many times those hot routes aren't thrown simply because the WRs aren't playing it so he has no hot receiver or one who is tightly covered while the other two continue to run their routes without regard to the blitz.

All these things are correctable issues. But it will require the coaching staff to recognize their own failures as well. Not only from the QB's coach but the o-line and WRs and RBs (who are missing their blitz pickup blocks). These issues point to a larger problem with the coaching staff who are clearly too complacent in many ways and are simply ignoring their primary functions to continue to coach up these young players. This is a systemic failure that must be addressed at that level and all parties from coaches to players must accept their part in this. With the bye week, there is no longer any excuse for this to continue.

One additional thing. IMO a lot of this is the by-product of having too few live practices and scrimmages. It's one thing to talk about it in zoom sessions and it's another to actually be able to implement and coach the individual players. I believe this is reflected in the ragged play by some teams that otherwise should be playing better and the lack of consistency by the Rams in particular. Remember the Rams have had a high degree of cross country traveling this first half. With the live practice restrictions in place coupled with the short week (playing on Monday night then having to travel to play a Sunday game in the Eastern time zone causes the team to lose practice time and IMO accounted for the Rams coming out flat that game. The good news is that they only have one east coast game remaining and the rest of the travel is within their own division.

I think the travel issues this year are reflected in their home games going 3-0 this year at SoFi. It's why I feel confident in their performance down the stretch.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

I see at least one or two blown line calls by Blythe every game.

How do you evaluate this? Is it based on the times we see him pointing things out before the snap?

 

[RhodyRams]

Come on..do we really need another thread like this?

 

[hotanez]

Come on..do we really need another thread like this?

I'm with you 100%, why don't we all just take a deep breath and wait to see how are next game plays out.

 

[KayJay]

*Jared comes out and has a great game against Seattle next week*

People that agree with this thread:

 

[CoachAllred]

In that same breath he mentioned draw plays, which were nowhere to be found. The Rams adjusted by basically putting the RB behind center in front of Goff to blitz pickup. It helped but of course MIA adjusted as well and attacked the edges instead.
Man, a draw here or there could have been a very big play with Goff just handing off.

I'd like to see some draws run other than give up play situations at the end of halves, 3rd and a mile etc. Draws can kill a blitz just like the hot read pass can.

What I'm waiting for is a direct snap to the RB lined up behind the guard presnap.lol

View: https://youtu.be/UdFPJqLeHEk

 

[KayJay]

In all seriousness, I think there is merit to some of the things you are saying. But I also think it was one game. The dude had played a good game against the Bears last week, and that's undone by the complete melt down he had against the Dolphins where others didn't exactly help. Everett's dropping balls, Kupp's continued drops, and the offensive line turning into swiss cheese at times also played a part in Goffs clock speeding up. This is the best year he's had in terms of pre-snap reading and audibling. The broadcasting booth went in on him because some of his passes to be honest had no business on its way down field. He attempted to do what Carson Wentz has been doing and people ignored it because he isn't Goff. I am not going to sugar coat it, he played like complete shit against the Dolphins. But they were on some other shit themselves. Its called any given Sunday for a reason.

But its one game. He isn't the perfect QB and he'll never be. But he's above average and I'm confident it was an outlier. Remember Aaron Rodgers week 6 this year? LOL of course not. Jared is the only QB who's losses are all magnified and put under the microscope. QB's have shit games. Onto the next one. If he continues this trend, we have something to talk about. For now, I don't think we should be critiquing a guy who once again is poised to have another winning record this early. (With help of our almighty defense of course)