Coach Mcvay show (warning, Goff thread incoming)

[oldnotdead]

It takes more than Goff to execute the "hot route". The WRs aren't doing their part. Too many times there was no hot receiver. All the WRs should have gone into "hot receiver" mode. But look at them. Maybe one did and was covered but the other two have their backs turned to Goff and aren't expecting a throw. IT'S GOFF AND THE WRS NOT RECOGNIZING THE COVER 0 AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT MEANS. THIS IS A GODDAMN COACHING ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[iamme33]

in the vent thread i called for mcvay to call players out so i am glade to see this. alot of us are saying mcvay should have adjusted his play calling but from what i gather he had plays to counter the zero blitz but goff's lack of preparation kept them from working. oh well maybe this is what goff needs to improve his game. this disaster could be the thing that moves us forward certainly hope so.

 

[Ram_Rally]

I can say this with absolute certainty - whatever fronts they were in, our running game was clicking.



Would we have been down 28-7 had McVay not gone away from the run in the first half on drive after drive when it was working? Part of the reason we got in that hole was exactly because of McVay getting away from it.

People have short memories. All last year everybody was frustrated because we couldn't run the ball with any consistency for most of the year. So this offseason, McVay takes action to make sure we can do so this year. And nobody we've faced so far has really shut down our running game. The Dolphins going into the game were the #30th ranked run defense.

Yeah, so lets only run here and there and focus on beating their zero blitz, against a team with two great corners and who blitzes the fifth most in the league, and then all blame the QB while ignoring that the coach deviated from something that was working, and something that we lacked last year, much to our own detriment.

When did all of the blame go against the qb? Mcvay took his responsibility. He just mad she that people like you understood that Goff had prime positions that he didn't take advantage of as well and that he's gotta get better at it.

 

[thirteen28]

Mcvay took ownership. He said he didn't put the guys in favorable positions.

Did he answer why he kept going away from the running game on drives where running the ball had gotten us deep into Dolphin territory? Genuinely asking, because unless he admits to that, he hasn't taken ownership for his failures in this game.

Goff needs to do better, yes. But when he's struggling in a game and there is another option that's working, you go to that option, and you don't wait 'til fucking halftime to do it. The first time Goff got hit and fumbled should have been the wakeup call.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Did he answer why he kept going away from the running game on drives where running the ball had gotten us deep into Dolphin territory? Genuinely asking, because unless he admits to that, he hasn't taken ownership for his failures in this game.

Goff needs to do better, yes. But when he's struggling in a game and there is another option that's working, you go to that option, and you don't wait 'til fucking halftime to do it. The first time Goff got hit and fumbled should have been the wakeup call.

I don't know that he did. I'll have to listen again to clarify. We're going to go in circles about the run game here lol I agree that he abandoned it too soon but again, I dunno what was successful vs what formations. You say Henderson averaged 6 yards a carry. That's good. But that's an average. For all I know he was only getting stuffed on runs against cover 0. Which would explain why Mcvay thought the answer was to pass against it. That's actually what most coaches agree on. It's the old brady argument. If you play back he has too much time but if you blitz he'll make you pay. It's a common attack for cover zero. We just didn't get it done.

But again, I agree that the run was abandoned too soon lol

 

[dieterbrock]

but if you swap Goff for Brady last week and Miami plays the same way, we win that game 49-0

And if you swap Goff for Brady against Chicago, Tampa wins that game instead of losing

 

[Ram_Rally]

And if you swap Goff for Brady against Chicago, Tampa wins that game instead of losing

Maybe not. Brady's offensive line was crap that game lol

 

[Mojo Ram]

But they weren't stopping our run - that's the whole thing. The Dolphins were 30th against the run going in. Henderson was averaging almost 6 yards a pop. Team was averaging over 5 yards a pop and had 100 yards in the first half. So when you are having success like that, why NOT run into it? Why not keep running into it until they have to make an adjustment to stop it?

Saying cover zero is a good formation to stop the run doesn't cut it, because it was not stopping our run game Sunday. The only thing that slowed it down and prevented a huge day on the ground was the playcaller, period.

Yeah from a defensive perspective if you keep blitzing into the run it can be semi-effective until inevitably the RB makes that one cut and runs to the house untouched. Can't do that.

Down 21-7(?) McV lost patience with the grind it out stuff that was extremely effective and went the other way, which sucks because Miami wasn't getting anything done on offense. It's not like the Rams were in a shootout. Frustrating gameplan.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Yeah from a defensive perspective if you keep blitzing into the run it can be semi-effective until inevitably the RB makes that one cut and runs to the house untouched. Can't do that.

Down 21-7(?) McV lost patience with the grind it out stuff that was extremely effective and went the other way, which sucks because Miami wasn't getting anything done on offense. It's not like the Rams were in a shootout. Frustrating gameplan.

That's The part that bothers me most. His gamelan was at if miami was gonna run away from us. He was chasing the score and not the script to an extent.

 

[badnews]

Nobody does well in this league without people coaching them well individually.

@MachS
What is so hilarious?

I'm sure you are trying to stretch what I wrote way too far if you're laughing.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Yeah from a defensive perspective if you keep blitzing into the run it can be semi-effective until inevitably the RB makes that one cut and runs to the house untouched. Can't do that.

Down 21-7(?) McV lost patience with the grind it out stuff that was extremely effective and went the other way, which sucks because Miami wasn't getting anything done on offense. It's not like the Rams were in a shootout. Frustrating gameplan.

It didn't help that we were killing the clock the 1st half of the 4th quarter either.
We should have been in the hurry up offense the entire quarter. Miamis offense was't a threat. Why play like we're protecting a lead?
Instead all we did was kill the clock for Miami.
Odd coaching decision.

 

[BatteringRambo]

I'm not bashing Goff but I think it's related to the puntang. Yes she's hot but I think it's affecting him on the field where it's important. But what the fuck do I know.


View: https://youtu.be/9YrWsmlJSiw

 

[Memento]

I'm not bashing Goff but I think it's related to the puntang. Yes she's hot but I think it's affecting him on the field where it's important. But what the fuck do I know.


View: https://youtu.be/9YrWsmlJSiw

Yes, because us females are distracting an NFL player so much that he completely falls apart in a game. And boys say that we're the overly-emotional type.

Nice band, though; I have one of their songs on my iPhone, and I'm hoping to get another.

 

[MachS]

@MachS
What is so hilarious?

I'm sure you are trying to stretch what I wrote way too far if you're laughing.

Just think its funny when you say "nobody does well without individual coaching." Like you assume for some crazy reason that Goff doesn't get any 1 on 1 coaching. Or because he plays bad, that's somehow an indication that he's not being coached 1 on 1 enough.

We brought in a new OC to help coach him, we have a QB coach to coach him 1 on 1. You dont think McVay spends time with him 1 on 1? We have given him playmakers, improved the oline, improved the running game... given him one of the best play callers and play designers in the NFL in McVay. He has a legit top 5 defense to practice against and to help him on game day. And if you watch the game film or look at Merlin's stills, we have visual evidence of how he doesn't see open WRs, know where his hot routes are, recognize a blitz, etc.

When do we start holding the player accountable for their play? We give them all the credit when they play well, but we should pass the blame off when they dont? I just dont get many people around here. We all love our team and we all want Goff to play well. But we also need to have integrity as football fans and call it like it is.

 

[gogoat1]

Hey look, Goff had a bad/terrible game. But I blame McVay much more than Goff. The Dolphins were not going to score any points. If we just ran,ran and maybe pass we beat them 17-0.
The Rams do not have a true deep threat and the fins were all over everything short. The rest of the NFL will do the same, just not as talented on D as Miami.
Now the Rams appear to have a VERY good defense. If we run the crap out of the ball this season from here on out the chunk passing plays will happen and we win the division.
The Rams can work on being a pass first team next year when we get a deep threat, more O line talent(don't care what McVay says, I seen O-linemen shoved back in Goffs face) and a real off season-training camp.
And STOP TRADING 1st ROUND PICKS. Run what ya brung.

 

[dieterbrock]

As for the "Why didnt we run more in the 2nd half against Miami?", does it matter that the Rams lost Darrell Henderson to injury in the 1st half?
2nd half drives
#1- 1st 2 plays, 2 rushes for -3 yards, 1 pass inc on 3rd and 13
#2- 2 rushes, 7 yards. 3 passes 1/3 for 13 yards, 1 1st down
#3- 2 rushes, 5 yards. 4/6 passing for 73 yards, 2 1st downs
#4- Cam with 3 straight rushes for 11 yards and a 1st down. Stick with the running right? 5 straight passes (5/5) for 73 yards. 1 rush, then pass for TD
#5- 6/9 passing, 1 rush, crucial drop by Everett, missed FG and game over

So I'm not saying McVay called a great game, but the cries for more running in the 2nd half seem a bit unfounded. Again, no Henderson.
1st 2 2nd half drives, 4 rush, 4 pass, 1 st down
Next 3 drives, 7 rush, 19 pass. 1 TD, 1 miss FG, 1 turnover on downs
So primarily passing in the 2nd half actually paid off

 

[matt30]

I'd greatly contest your last paragraph. Hot routes are made for beating pressure. Why not design some in the gameplan to beat a blitz. That's exactly what Mcvay said and that's what I've always seen as well. If you see a blitz, audible into something where the reviewers run quick routes. Do you disagree?

I think we have different terminology here. You can have a quick passing game. You don't have hot routes on a quick passing game. Every route is viable because its within 5 yards of the LOS or behind the LOS. In the second half we were much more successful with the passing game because we were not calling long developing plays where the first read is deep. When we needed 10 yards or more in the second half we upped the protection.

Empty set pretty much limits you to a complicated route tree that requires the QB to hold the ball for 2-3 seconds or beat a blitz.

 

[dieterbrock]

Maybe not. Brady's offensive line was crap that game lol

And who doesnt get 5 downs any more? Poor guy...

 

[kurtfaulk]

“urgency and preparation”

uh-oh.

seems like his girlfriend is taking him to too many parties, or some other activities.

when the coach uses the words "lack of preparation" alarm bells start going off in my head.

i want the rams qb to be the best he can be, not just show up to work and do the minimum he has to do.

.

 

[gogoat1]

As for the "Why didnt we run more in the 2nd half against Miami?", does it matter that the Rams lost Darrell Henderson to injury in the 1st half?
2nd half drives
#1- 1st 2 plays, 2 rushes for -3 yards, 1 pass inc on 3rd and 13
#2- 2 rushes, 7 yards. 3 passes 1/3 for 13 yards, 1 1st down
#3- 2 rushes, 5 yards. 4/6 passing for 73 yards, 2 1st downs
#4- Cam with 3 straight rushes for 11 yards and a 1st down. Stick with the running right? 5 straight passes (5/5) for 73 yards. 1 rush, then pass for TD
#5- 6/9 passing, 1 rush, crucial drop by Everett, missed FG and game over

So I'm not saying McVay called a great game, but the cries for more running in the 2nd half seem a bit unfounded. Again, no Henderson.
1st 2 2nd half drives, 4 rush, 4 pass, 1 st down
Next 3 drives, 7 rush, 19 pass. 1 TD, 1 miss FG, 1 turnover on downs
So primarily passing in the 2nd half actually paid off

You understand that if we had simply ran the ball on those plays where Goff had a turnovers they do not happen. That is how Miami got all the points. They were never going to score a lot on us with a rookie QB.
McVay tends to overthink things. I do the same at work.
Hey, the Rams might not had scored 20 points if they ran a LOT more, but they would have won the game. It would have been a beautiful, ugly win.
And no, it did not matter if Hendo was hurt. Run the other guys in the first half and its a W.