Coach Mcvay show (warning, Goff thread incoming)

[Memento]

Yeah I agree here. I don't blame Goff for much of what happened, but he had a role to play. I don't see calling him out as bashing him at all. Whether it's done here or by McVay.

I'm not talking about this thread in particular: I'm just seeing "Bulger" and "trade". I'm sorry that I had to vent in this thread, and critique is fair. I'm not talking about critique.

 

[badnews]

We also had an absurd number of passes batted at the line. What was up with that?

Our tendencies and rhythm were completely prepared for and exposed ANNND their D was ON FIRE.

 

[Zodi]

Goff and McVay will continue to learn and grow from losses like this. Next!

 

[Dz1]

I feel like some of you are commenting without actually taking account what happened during the game. The first turnover occurred on a totally unnecessary deep pass attempt on 2nd and 2 where the Rams ran an empty set with 4 receivers running deep routes and a single receiver running a hot route. The Dolphins got unblocked pressure with 3 linemen and 3 miami players were covering the hot route. Preperation or not, 1) that's an excellent defensive play call, 2) there was still 23 seconds on the play clock when that ball was snapped. Nobody changed the play into something that would actually work. That play was doomed to fail.

What worked in the second half was (1) not going empty (2) play action (3) screens. If the game plan was beating the 3rd ranking blitzing defense with hot routes, that's a terrible game plan. No matter who is the QB. Hot routes on designed pass plays are for unexpected pressure. Throwing balls to hot routes in the face of an expected unblocked man is a 50/50 senario, unless you can generate space/time with your legs.

I'll post a couple thoughts and btw liked your post good for thought.

2nd and 2 Heck yeah deep ball is a norm

Part 2 Qb sees freaking zero cover and doesn't line his men up right to block the blitz. Btw this is normal for College spread Qbs and McV knows this.

Part 3 McV sees the play, he calls all the plays and everyone on this board knows it and he doesn't call timeout because ??

Part 4 if he has given audible to Goff, wtf he should have adjusted in the 2nd 3rd time around imho.

Part 5 Miami continued with that BS,after the 2nd turnover for sure, Personal should have been adjusted.

Part 6 how about more 2 TE sets, I know many like Heds and the Rook are better than Mal Brown but he is So much better in pass pro than those 2.

Just watch the 2nd halve,Malcolm is blocking all over the place, picking up blitz after blitz.

Part 7 gonna run put Henderson and the Rookie in, gonna pass Brown.

 

[payote75]

Dude completely unfair if Goff was on the jets right now he would be one the worst qbs in the league. The jets currently are twice as bad as the fisher rams when Goff debuted.
No running back no receivers no tight ends no offensive line and a terrible coach.

Really unfair to judge the kid..I see him plenty and he has talent and actually for as much duress as he is under he does not get as skittish as Goff. As far as NFL IQ I feel Darnold is more cerebral and has more fire.
I am not saying Goff sucks so understand I'm just saying we should have an alternative and maybe somebody to push him or eventually take the reigns should he fail to progress or even regress.

Also if he sat a year behind Goff is it really a terrible thing? What if Goff doesn't take that step? I think there is to much money invested in the rams and a new stadium to not have a plan B and I'm scared of wasting AD and his career.

 

[FrantikRam]

Glad to hear that from McVay. It was fairly obvious to me that the OL held up well and the WRs got open.

Miami wouldn't do this obviously - but if you swap Goff for Brady last week and Miami plays the same way, we win that game 49-0

So how does Goff get better? How does he magically turn into a great LOS QB? Not sure.

 

[fearsomefour]

Who said he needs to be goaded into preparing? He's not a child, or is he??? lol
No but seriously, where did that come from?

McVay saying he needs to work on prep.

 

[badnews]

So Goff can come out and complete 12 straight passes without a script in multiple games this season, be the best outside the pocket and for the most part had been executing the offense to the tune of a 70+% completion pct. but now we are extrapolating that he doesn't prepare well enough? Isn't committed?

Gtfoh.

That was a bad game by McVay and Goff and when BOTH say they themselves must do better - that's the truth. Screw this McVay throwing Goff under the bus bullshit.

Sure, Jared has to be a lot better than he was Sunday but so does McVay.
Some serious self scouting about our offense is needed and McVay needs to keep his playbook advancing with new wrinkles.

Goff can't throw deep completions now? Didn't he just lead the league depth of completion 2 seasons ago?
I remember Goff killing secondaries for regular and razor sharp 20+ yard completions, which is what opened up Gurleys run game. It really worked like that.

So this selective memory thing sweeping this board is strange to me. We've seen Goff play spotless at times. We've seen him hang in there and make teams pay. We've seen him overcome the Pat's SB def to do enough to win if Cooks makes a catch.

We've seen Goff scratch out a tough season behind a trash O-line and still have good passing numbers.
Just a few weeks ago he pretty much single handedly brought us back vs the Bills.

So yeah... I get it. Sunday was traumatic and left us all grasping for what went wrong... but sometimes its just a really bad day, 60 degrees hotter on your sideline, 6 days to prepare vs 2 weeks and a Defensive mind that had his guys dialed in.
Sunday wasn't who we are. It represents the exception and not the rule. The Rams will learn from it, be better, and get back to their usual winning ways.... and I feel like most of you know that but just want to stomp in the pissy puddle a little longer...

 

[thirteen28]

What worked in the second half was (1) not going empty (2) play action (3) screens. If the game plan was beating the 3rd ranking blitzing defense with hot routes, that's a terrible game plan. No matter who is the QB. Hot routes on designed pass plays are for unexpected pressure. Throwing balls to hot routes in the face of an expected unblocked man is a 50/50 senario, unless you can generate space/time with your legs.

Not to mention, knowingly leaving you QB on an island like that when you know unblocked pressure is coming is not the smartest thing to do if you want to keep him healthy. Martz became strangely obsessed with doing that trying to show the world how smart he was after the Super Bowl, got his HOF QB hurt, and ran out of town. Any one of those plays in which Goff got blown up by the pressure could have resulted in him getting hurt - even IF he had made a good throw for a completion. If McVay went into this game with a game plan that exposed Goff to this, that's coaching malpractice.

I haven't listened to the who show, but reading the OP and this thread, it seems like McVay wants to throw Goff under the bus while failing to acknowledge his own failings in going away from the run when it was working, then that's going to be a big problem going forward.

And where is the OC? Isn't he supposed to be somewhat of a consiglieri that whispers in McVay's ear to rein his some of his bad tendencies? Is he whispering and McVay is just not listening? What the hell is going on?

But I'll repeat again the obvious thing - if your running game is working and the opponent is not showing an ability to stop it, then Run. The. Goddamn. Football. You can come back and work on getting better against the zero blitz in practice and film study. Meanwhile, if you do run the football you have a chance of taking them out of their defensive gameplan and creating more favorable circumstances for the passing game.

 

[Ram_Rally]

They didn't stop running the ball against the Bills when they were losing by even more. It was bad coaching.

Cover zero is a good formation to stop the run and can be vulnerable against quick passes. Why run into it? Maybe that's Mcvay's thinking.

 

[Ram_Rally]

I feel like some of you are commenting without actually taking account what happened during the game. The first turnover occurred on a totally unnecessary deep pass attempt on 2nd and 2 where the Rams ran an empty set with 4 receivers running deep routes and a single receiver running a hot route. The Dolphins got unblocked pressure with 3 linemen and 3 miami players were covering the hot route. Preperation or not, 1) that's an excellent defensive play call, 2) there was still 23 seconds on the play clock when that ball was snapped. Nobody changed the play into something that would actually work. That play was doomed to fail.

What worked in the second half was (1) not going empty (2) play action (3) screens. If the game plan was beating the 3rd ranking blitzing defense with hot routes, that's a terrible game plan. No matter who is the QB. Hot routes on designed pass plays are for unexpected pressure. Throwing balls to hot routes in the face of an expected unblocked man is a 50/50 senario, unless you can generate space/time with your legs.

I'd greatly contest your last paragraph. Hot routes are made for beating pressure. Why not design some in the gameplan to beat a blitz. That's exactly what Mcvay said and that's what I've always seen as well. If you see a blitz, audible into something where the reviewers run quick routes. Do you disagree?

 

[thirteen28]

Cover zero is a good formation to stop the run and can be vulnerable against quick passes. Why run into it? Maybe that's Mcvay's thinking.

But they weren't stopping our run - that's the whole thing. The Dolphins were 30th against the run going in. Henderson was averaging almost 6 yards a pop. Team was averaging over 5 yards a pop and had 100 yards in the first half. So when you are having success like that, why NOT run into it? Why not keep running into it until they have to make an adjustment to stop it?

Saying cover zero is a good formation to stop the run doesn't cut it, because it was not stopping our run game Sunday. The only thing that slowed it down and prevented a huge day on the ground was the playcaller, period.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Not to mention, knowingly leaving you QB on an island like that when you know unblocked pressure is coming is not the smartest thing to do if you want to keep him healthy. Martz became strangely obsessed with doing that trying to show the world how smart he was after the Super Bowl, got his HOF QB hurt, and ran out of town. Any one of those plays in which Goff got blown up by the pressure could have resulted in him getting hurt - even IF he had made a good throw for a completion. If McVay went into this game with a game plan that exposed Goff to this, that's coaching malpractice.

I haven't listened to the who show, but reading the OP and this thread, it seems like McVay wants to throw Goff under the bus while failing to acknowledge his own failings in going away from the run when it was working, then that's going to be a big problem going forward.

And where is the OC? Isn't he supposed to be somewhat of a consiglieri that whispers in McVay's ear to rein his some of his bad tendencies? Is he whispering and McVay is just not listening? What the hell is going on?

But I'll repeat again the obvious thing - if your running game is working and the opponent is not showing an ability to stop it, then Run. The. Goddamn. Football. You can come back and work on getting better against the zero blitz in practice and film study. Meanwhile, if you do run the football you have a chance of taking them out of their defensive gameplan and creating more favorable circumstances for the passing game.

Dolphins were in a cover zero. That's basically everyone stacked at the line of scrimmage. Not good to run against that formation. Better off with quick passes. I will say this. The dolphins offense was doing nothing so maybe Mcvay should've been more patient and tried to chip away. But running into a cover 0 is pretty counter productive and I'd be here complaining that we were running into a maximum stacked box.

 

[Ram_Rally]

But they weren't stopping our run - that's the whole thing. The Dolphins were 30th against the run going in. Henderson was averaging almost 6 yards a pop. Team was averaging over 5 yards a pop and had 100 yards in the first half. So when you are having success like that, why NOT run into it? Why not keep running into it until they have to make an adjustment to stop it?

Saying cover zero is a good formation to stop the run doesn't cut it, because it was not stopping our run game Sunday. The only thing that slowed it down and prevented a huge day on the ground was the playcaller, period.

Do you know what fronts the dolphins were in when we ran? Just wondering. If you can unequivocally say "yes we were successful running against cover zero" then I'll concede. However I suspect that we were more successful running when the dolphins were NOT in cover zero. So I'm guessing that what you saw was the Rams running when they didn't see cover zero and committing to passing when they did.

He abandoned running way to early though. I'll give you that. And probably still got too pass happy to an extent, But when you're down 28-7 running the ball into a stacked box when time isn't on your side is just bad football. And even worse, it puts jared in unfavorable long down and distance. And guess what happens when a shaky qb has unfavorable down and distance? Even more blitzing.

 

[jacktheripper85]

I see a lot of comments that it takes Goff until halftime in some games to adjust to what the defense is doing.

My question is what the hell are him and the coaches talking about on the sidelines between series when they are looking at these tablets. If we know what the other team is doing after the first set of downs why does it take until halftime to adjust?

 

[thirteen28]

Dolphins were in a cover zero. That's basically everyone stacked at the line of scrimmage. Not good to run against that formation. Better off with quick passes. I will say this. The dolphins offense was doing nothing so maybe Mcvay should've been more patient and tried to chip away. But running into a cover 0 is pretty counter productive and I'd be here complaining that we were running into a maximum stacked box.

Again, did you actually read my post and look at the numbers? You are talking about theory, I am talking about actual results in the game. We WERE running against their cover 0, with great success. 5 yards per carry is a damn good average, and that came against what they were doing. We had over 100 rushing yards at halftime.

You might have a point had we tried to run and ended up with 50 yards against halftime and something like a 2.5 YPC. But that wasn't the case. So your argument doesn't hold up against the actual evidence of what transpired.

 

[Ram_Rally]

So Goff can come out and complete 12 straight passes without a script in multiple games this season, be the best outside the pocket and for the most part had been executing the offense to the tune of a 70+% completion pct. but now we are extrapolating that he doesn't prepare well enough? Isn't committed?

Gtfoh.

That was a bad game by McVay and Goff and when BOTH say they themselves must do better - that's the truth. Screw this McVay throwing Goff under the bus bullshit.

Sure, Jared has to be a lot better than he was Sunday but so does McVay.
Some serious self scouting about our offense is needed and McVay needs to keep his playbook advancing with new wrinkles.

Goff can't throw deep completions now? Didn't he just lead the league depth of completion 2 seasons ago?
I remember Goff killing secondaries for regular and razor sharp 20+ yard completions, which is what opened up Gurleys run game. It really worked like that.

So this selective memory thing sweeping this board is strange to me. We've seen Goff play spotless at times. We've seen him hang in there and make teams pay. We've seen him overcome the Pat's SB def to do enough to win if Cooks makes a catch.

We've seen Goff scratch out a tough season behind a trash O-line and still have good passing numbers.
Just a few weeks ago he pretty much single handedly brought us back vs the Bills.

So yeah... I get it. Sunday was traumatic and left us all grasping for what went wrong... but sometimes its just a really bad day, 60 degrees hotter on your sideline, 6 days to prepare vs 2 weeks and a Defensive mind that had his guys dialed in.
Sunday wasn't who we are. It represents the exception and not the rule. The Rams will learn from it, be better, and get back to their usual winning ways.... and I feel like most of you know that but just want to stomp in the pissy puddle a little longer...

A couple of things.

1. Mcvay took ownership. He said he didn't put the guys in favorable positions. But I think it's fair to say that Goff was as bad as bad can be. We shouldn't be blaming Mcvay for Goff being AWFUL. I think what Mcvay is saying is right. Goff just did some unacceptable things Sunday. They all did. But his were killer.

2. I'd be careful with stats out if context. He led the league in depth of target but our receivers also led the league or were top of the league in separation yards per target. We already know Mcvay's scheme was giving defenses fits back then. Maybe he was just hitting open guys? Which is his job, but still. Also, the NFL is a now league. We all know this. What Goff did in 2018, when he has the best running back in the nfl, 2 1 thousand hard receivers, a 3rd receiver who would've hit 1000 if not for injury, and the best offensive line in the league is irrelevant to what he does when he's finally asked to be THE guy of an offense.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Again, did you actually read my post and look at the numbers? You are talking about theory, I am talking about actual results in the game. We WERE running against their cover 0, with great success. 5 yards per carry is a damn good average, and that came against what they were doing. We had over 100 rushing yards at halftime.

You might have a point had we tried to run and ended up with 50 yards against halftime and something like a 2.5 YPC. But that wasn't the case. So your argument doesn't hold up against the actual evidence of what transpired.

I read your post. My question is do we know how well the Rams ran SPECIFICALLY against cover zero. I get that we were running well in the first half but the dolphins weren't in cover zero every single snap. So, again, what I'm asking you is do you have the specific numbers vs cover 0. Not just first half numbers. But the numbers vs certain formations vs another.

 

[thirteen28]

Do you know what fronts the dolphins were in when we ran?

I can say this with absolute certainty - whatever fronts they were in, our running game was clicking.

He abandoned running way to early though. I'll give you that. And probably still got too pass happy to an extent, But when you're down 28-7 running the ball into a stacked box when time isn't on your side is just bad football. And even worse, it puts jared in unfavorable long down and distance. And guess what happens when a shaky qb has unfavorable down and distance? Even more blitzing.

Would we have been down 28-7 had McVay not gone away from the run in the first half on drive after drive when it was working? Part of the reason we got in that hole was exactly because of McVay getting away from it.

People have short memories. All last year everybody was frustrated because we couldn't run the ball with any consistency for most of the year. So this offseason, McVay takes action to make sure we can do so this year. And nobody we've faced so far has really shut down our running game. The Dolphins going into the game were the #30th ranked run defense.

Yeah, so lets only run here and there and focus on beating their zero blitz, against a team with two great corners and who blitzes the fifth most in the league, and then all blame the QB while ignoring that the coach deviated from something that was working, and something that we lacked last year, much to our own detriment.