Brian Flores suing NFL

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Jorgeh0605

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How? Because he got the names screwed up? I hate BB as much as the next guy but it seems like people want this to be a smoking gun much more than it actually is one
This doesn't really have much to do with BB. But BB's texts seem to tell us that Giants had already made their decision before interviewing with Flores, which they aren't supposed to do. The spirit of the Rooney Rule is to give minority coaches a chance. Not really much of a chance if they already made up their mind. Just checking boxes to satisfy the rule isn't technically breaking the rule, but it does break the spirit of the rule.
 

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Maybe, Bellicheat's e-mail wasn't an accident.
 

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Chris Grier, a black man himself, currently conducting interviews for the next Miami Head coach - this shit is spicy

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If "whatever it takes" is being forced to suffer interviews with teams that aren't actually interested in hiring you, no, he shouldn't have to be willing to do that. Yes, I am employed. But if I was unemployed, I think it would be an even bigger kick in the nuts.


Well, Miami has definitely been spreading rumors. How do I know? You just repeated something they leaked. And it's something that isn't very believable. You really think a head coach stopped talking to his assistants during a stretch of games where his squad went 8-1? C'mon.
Not the rumors I meant, but whatever. Suffering through interviews is a funny take. I ran an employment program for the state. One of the first things we were told to tell the young people is that you should interview even if you think you won’t get the job. It’s good practice, good for getting your name and face seen. It’s good to learn how to answer tough questions.

The Rooney rule has been around long enough that we all realize some of the interviews are solely to satisfy the rule. If Flores wants to revamp the rule he could go about it another way. But that’s not his intent is it?

Part of that purpose of the Rooney rule is to get potential minority coaches seen and to learn the process. Brian Flores has been a head coach once, for three years? Now the very system that may have helped him land his first head coaching job is suddenly not worth his precious time? :laugh1:
 

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Not the rumors I meant, but whatever. Suffering through interviews is a funny take. I ran an employment program for the state. One of the first things we were told to tell the young people is that you should interview even if you think you won’t get the job. It’s good practice, good for getting your name and face seen. It’s good to learn how to answer tough questions.
There's a difference between interviewing for a job I have doubts I'll get and interviewing for a job the employer knows they won't offer me. They're not paying for me to be there. So they're wasting my time asking me to do that. And I have no doubt that's how Flores felt.

I don't interview for a job for fun. Interviews are very, very rarely fun. They're stressful and can be quite time consuming. My time is valuable to me. Don't waste it. And especially don't expect gratitude or appreciation if you do. An employer is seriously entitled if they think they're doing me a favor interviewing me for a job they're going to definitely give to another person.
 

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I think there's one flaw there though. They'd already interviewed 2 minorities before Flores.
Is there a link confirming this as this is a game changer if true and I don't hear anyone discussing this in media? If they hit their "quota" already then fair game and bringing him in for a look see is no harm as anything can happen ie. Josh McDaniel in Indy.
 

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Is there a link confirming this as this is a game changer if true and I don't hear anyone discussing this in media? If they hit their "quota" already then fair game and bringing him in for a look see is no harm as anything can happen ie. Josh McDaniel in Indy.
It’s wrong. They had interviewed 2 minorities, but one was internal. Under Rooney, you need to interview 2 external minority candidates. Flores would have been the interview that made them compliant with the Rooney rule.
 

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It’s wrong. They had interviewed 2 minorities, but one was internal. Under Rooney, you need to interview 2 external minority candidates. Flores would have been the interview that made them compliant with the Rooney rule.
So they are compliant. Next crisis is up!
 

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There's a difference between interviewing for a job I have doubts I'll get and interviewing for a job the employer knows they won't offer me. They're not paying for me to be there. So they're wasting my time asking me to do that. And I have no doubt that's how Flores felt.

I don't interview for a job for fun. Interviews are very, very rarely fun. They're stressful and can be quite time consuming. My time is valuable to me. Don't waste it. And especially don't expect gratitude or appreciation if you do. An employer is seriously entitled if they think they're doing me a favor interviewing me for a job they're going to definitely give to another person.
I could see a scenario where I was pleased to get the experience of an interview - even if I knew I had no shot - but that would require me to (1) need the experience and (2) know that the employer was taking it seriously as an interview and not just running thru the motions with me. It’s the 2nd part that sounds like it is missing with most of those Rooney compliance interviews.
 

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So they are compliant. Next crisis is up!
Well, no they aren’t. That’s the point. Unless you are saying that deciding who the coach is and then interviewing 2 black guys to check the box is compliant. And if that is compliance, then the process is the issue.
 

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There's a difference between interviewing for a job I have doubts I'll get and interviewing for a job the employer knows they won't offer me. They're not paying for me to be there. So they're wasting my time asking me to do that. And I have no doubt that's how Flores felt.

I don't interview for a job for fun. Interviews are very, very rarely fun. They're stressful and can be quite time consuming. My time is valuable to me. Don't waste it. And especially don't expect gratitude or appreciation if you do. An employer is seriously entitled if they think they're doing me a favor interviewing me for a job they're going to definitely give to another person.
Yes you’ve made it very clear that you value your time. You aren’t Brian Flores nor unemployed but I’ll put that aside.

I don’t understand the need for a lawsuit. He can simply turn the interview down. It sounds like the Saints really liked him. If he’s pissed because he wanted the Giants job and they chose someone else, well that’s how it goes when a GM has his man and doesn’t want to let him out of the room for another team to offer him a contract. I think Snead did that with McVay.

There are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs. It sounds like he may have a good shot at one. Suing the league because he doesn’t like the Rooney rule seems extreme. What other reasons could there be for him not being chosen for the Giants job? Maybe because the trend for head coaches is offensive coaches. The market for defensive head coaches pretty small right now. The other reason could be that GMs higher who they think is the best man for the job.
 

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Yes you’ve made it very clear that you value your time. You aren’t Brian Flores nor unemployed but I’ll put that aside.

I don’t understand the need for a lawsuit. He can simply turn the interview down. It sounds like the Saints really liked him. If he’s pissed because he wanted the Giants job and they chose someone else, well that’s how it goes when a GM has his man and doesn’t want to let him out of the room for another team to offer him a contract. I think Snead did that with McVay.

There are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs. It sounds like he may have a good shot at one. Suing the league because he doesn’t like the Rooney rule seems extreme. What other reasons could there be for him not being chosen for the Giants job? Maybe because the trend for head coaches is offensive coaches. The market for defensive head coaches pretty small right now. The other reason could be that GMs higher who they think is the best man for the job.
He's suing because he thinks he and others have been wronged. I'd say we'll find out if that's true, but odds are that the NFL is going to settle this.
 

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There's a difference between interviewing for a job I have doubts I'll get and interviewing for a job the employer knows they won't offer me. They're not paying for me to be there. So they're wasting my time asking me to do that. And I have no doubt that's how Flores felt.

I don't interview for a job for fun. Interviews are very, very rarely fun. They're stressful and can be quite time consuming. My time is valuable to me. Don't waste it. And especially don't expect gratitude or appreciation if you do. An employer is seriously entitled if they think they're doing me a favor interviewing me for a job they're going to definitely give to another person.
Which is what the Rooney itself promotes. Actually, it is a requirement that a minority will be interviewed without having a legit chance at getting the job.
What bothers me most about this whole thing is the double standard. Lets say Belichick text was about Flores, and Flores then got hired.
Would he be drawing up a law suit on behalf of Leslie Frazier not getting a fair shot?
Clearly in that case the Giants would have circumvented the Rooney rule if he was their guy
 
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