Better Rams #1 overall pick: Bradford or Goff

[Memento]

I didn't see Bradford's arm the same way. It was on par with Goff's. He didn't have the arm that Stafford did (who went #1 the year before him). And certainly didn't have the arm of the elite guys (ex. Rodgers). Both he and Goff could make every throw imaginable within the structure of the offense, but neither guy had the sort of rare arm where they could make ridiculous off-platform throws and out-of-structure plays like Mahomes and Rodgers do.

Watched Bradford a lot in college (had to; Oklahoma seemed to play against Mizzou every year - and beat us every year). His freshman year in 2007 is part of why I was sold; his sophomore year was another part. He had the ability to make all of the throws with his strength, but the sheer accuracy and anticipation with those throws was what sold me.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Not quite sure what the point is of a “who was better” thread when the votes would be 100 to zero.

Next thread debate: who was the better Rams DL, Aaron Donald or Kendall Langford?

 

[Jorgeh0605]

Based on my knowledge of nfl scouting (which admittedly is just Mel Kiper gifs), Bradford seemed like the better prospect. And i think that is backed up by how many teams tried to make him work. That dude made so much money being hurt.

But Goff took us to the dance. Goff wins. 100%

 

[Karate61]

Bradford was one disappointment after another. He still is!

 

[Karate61]

We’ll never know. Give Goff Spagnuolo, Brandon Gibbs, Sims-Walker, Amendola and Brian Quick. Then let’s talk.

You had me at Spagnuolo!

 

[Loyal]

Even when he went to Minnesota, he wasn't particularly good. He pulled an Alex Smith and put up numbers that look good on the surface in 2016, but their offense went nowhere because he checked it down nonstop. 2017 Case Keenum in that offense was very arguably better than 2016 Bradford. Sam was definitely a victim of his circumstances, but he wouldn't have been a superstar in better circumstances. IMO, in a good spot, he would have been similar to Alex Smith later in his career. Cautious game manager who doesn't lose you games but won't win you games either. I'd take Goff over Sam without thinking twice. Goff is prone to turnovers, but he has the balls to go win you games.

And I say this as a person who loved Bradford as a prospect and have to admit I was very wrong in hindsight.

He was already ruined when he went to Minnesota. I will agree that Goff was stronger mentally than Sam, but it's impossible to know if Goff would have survived as a decent QB with the same set of circumstances that Bradford had with the St Louis Rams, is all I'm saying.

 

[Loyal]

Not quite sure what the point is of a “who was better” thread when the votes would be 100 to zero.

Next thread debate: who was the better Rams DL, Aaron Donald or Kendall Langford?

Don't get it twisted. At least compare 1st rounders. Like AD and AC (Adam freakin Carriker!)

 

[CGI_Ram]

I felt more certain about Bradford coming out of college than Goff.

Bradford was one of those “good at everything types”... he was a great golfer, for example. An array of skills that seemed to work for him in other sports.

I liked that about him and interpreted from a skill standpoint he could master the NFL game too.

He physically never held up long enough to prove things. Seemed to have lost his own flame too, in the end.

 

[Memento]

Don't get it twisted. At least compare 1st rounders. Like AD and AC (Adam freakin Carriker!)

Hated the Carriker pick the second it was made. I wanted Revis. That's why I'll never get people who say that front offices are beyond reproach; at an age where I couldn't have a license, I probably would've made better picks than Linehan.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Hated the Carriker pick the second it was made. I wanted Revis. That's why I'll never get people who say that front offices are beyond reproach; at an age where I couldn't have a license, I probably would've made better picks than Linehan.

yeah but they picked tye hill the year before instead of ngata so they couldn't double dip and they finally picked their dt.

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[Loyal]

Hated the Carriker pick the second it was made. I wanted Revis. That's why I'll never get people who say that front offices are beyond reproach; at an age where I couldn't have a license, I probably would've made better picks than Linehan.

You didn't like him because his Blackshirts lost in Columbia for the first time 20 years....lol...(I drove Adam that day in my bus along with the Nebraska defense)

 

[kurtfaulk]

I felt more certain about Bradford coming out of college than Goff.

Bradford was one of those “good at everything types”... he was a great golfer, for example. An array of skills that seemed to work for him in other sports.

I liked that about him and interpreted from a skill standpoint he could master the NFL game too.

He physically never held up long enough to prove things. Seemed to have lost his own flame too, in the end.

sammy must have been the unluckiest, football wise, player that came into the league.

gets drafted by spags, who was afraid of his own shadow and wanted sam to play the same way.

after his rookie year the rams sign mcdouche as the oc just before the owners lock the players out for the whole offseason. so nobody on offense knew what the hell was happening out there. it set him back years playing for mcdouche.

fisher comes to town and sam had to use the 2012 season to get his bearings back.

then in 2013, just when he was starting to get it all together and was tearing the panther's d a new arsehole (kind of) he tears his knee up.

eagles stint was pretty average behind an awful oline, then gets traded to the vikings a week before the regular season starts. you can't make this stuff up.

starts the next season for the vikings and absolutely rips the saints d apart. that we find out he hurt his knee again and that was pretty much it.

by the time the rams played him in 2018 he had given up. it was sad seeing him only attempt passes behind the line of scrimmage. i think everyone in the league knew it was over after that game.

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[Memento]

You didn't like him because his Blackshirts lost in Columbia for the first time 20 years....lol...(I drove Adam that day in my bus along with the Nebraska defense)

Nah, he didn't fit the system. He was a 3-4 end, and we tried to shoehorn him into a 4-3 tackle with predictable results.

...Although, yeah, I'll quote @kurtfaulk and say that I wanted Ngata in 2006. Trading down to take Hill was a total damper on my mood.

 

[dieterbrock]

Did Goff ever win it, counselor?

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[Loyal]

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[Mackeyser]

Serious question: was Gurley better than Dickerson, since Gurley led us to a Super Bowl as our best offensive player?

Not. Even. Close.

Dickerson by a country mile. Dude ran for 2105 on stacked boxes... it's not even close.

Now... Dickerson or Faulk? That's a conversation because they're such different backs that it's hard to compare... like comparing Jim Brown (best power back of all time, all due respect to the 1a: Earl Campbell) versus Barry Sanders (best shifty back of all time)

On pure aesthetics, it's Dickerson, hands down. He ran upright and guys on D would think they were lining him up for an epic smash and... he'd just glide right by. He was deceptively fast. Only guy I recall catching him from behind was Darrell Green.

 

[So Ram]

look above, Sam has a message for ya...

Still Balls in OS Face!! Bradford

 

[den-the-coach]

Bradford was one disappointment after another. He still is!

The only thing you could rely on with Sam Bradford is his unreliability. Goff is a very durable QB, there is no contest, if the Cleveland Browns had made that FG against the Rams in 2011, the Rams could have dealt Bradford and drafted Andrew Luck....Oh well.

 

[Loyal]

Not. Even. Close.

Dickerson by a country mile. Dude ran for 2105 on stacked boxes... it's not even close.

Now... Dickerson or Faulk? That's a conversation because they're such different backs that it's hard to compare... like comparing Jim Brown (best power back of all time, all due respect to the 1a: Earl Campbell) versus Barry Sanders (best shifty back of all time)

On pure aesthetics, it's Dickerson, hands down. He ran upright and guys on D would think they were lining him up for an epic smash and... he'd just glide right by. He was deceptively fast. Only guy I recall catching him from behind was Darrell Green.

Dickrson drove me nuts. He always seemed to be half-assing it. Like he wasn't even trying that hard....I appreciated him years later better than I did when he was with us. I'd look at Earl Campbell just killing teams and that's what I like more than a gazelle.

Having said that, Marshall Faulk was the best complete RB/weapon we ever had.

 

[Loyal]

The only thing you could rely on with Sam Bradford is his unreliability. Goff is a very durable QB, there is no contest, if the Cleveland Browns had made that FG against the Rams in 2011, the Rams could have dealt Bradford and drafted Andrew Luck....Oh well.

hater ~ Pat Haden