Bears trade for Khalil Mack

[shovelpass]

McVay and Snead should take notes on cohesion.

 

[Mackeyser]

What’s funny is that Seattle fans are burnt up about this deal.

Was responding to a clip on YouTube which is something I almost never do, and one responded to me that he was pissed because he thought the Bears gave up too much and ruined Seattle’s deal to send Earl Thomas and a first to Oakland for Mack.

Not that Thomas would have struck a deal with Oakland, but the Seattle fan was still upset.

Wasn’t surprised that he had no idea that Thomas was in the last year of his contract, couldn’t be franchised and that Thomas gets credit for the season if he’s there for six games.

So many teams are being mismanaged right now that I’m thrilled one of them isn’t us.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Agree. The Vikes lack the creativity (or maybe just the balls?) to fully utilize a passing QB in their offense. I think Zimmer has a bit of Fisher in him in that regard. Packers and Lions will both be competitive, but of those teams lack a complete roster. That division will definitely be a crap shoot come late November early December.

While Cousins does lack mobility, the Vikings now have a very good OC that does not lack creativity.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Some Rams trash talking for Monday:

“Hey, when’s Mack coming back? Oh wait....”

“If Mark Davis needs a loan, he could ask AD”

 

[kurtfaulk]

can you please explain this.

my understanding is it's a 6 year $141m extension. so the bears have him for 7 years for $155m. $22.1m per year.

rams have ad for 7 years for $142m. $20.3m per year.

.

 

[CGI_Ram]

I saw this interview. He looked “defeated” and I’m not sure how to interpret that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-mack-and-he-made-things-even-more-confusing/

Jon Gruden finally spoke about Khalil Mack and he made things even more confusing

On Saturday, the Oakland Raiders traded their best player, pass-rusher Khalil Mack, to the Chicago Bears. Mack had been holding out for a contract extension throughout the offseason, but when the Bears offered the Raiders two first-round picks and a third-round pick in exchange for Mack and a second-round selection, the Raiders bit and dealt him away. Mack subsequently signed a six-year, $141 million extension that guaranteed him $90 million.

The move was met with almost immediate skepticism in NFL circles -- including from several players on the Raiders, most notably franchise quarterback Derek Carr, who had stated during the press conference announcing his own massive contract extension that he took a little less money than he could have so that the Raiders could retain players like guard Gabe Jackson and, well, Mack.

On Sunday, the Raiders' $100 million coach, Jon Gruden, finally addressed the Mack deal. True to form, Gruden's comments were interesting, to say the least. It had been reported in July that Gruden had not talked to Mack since he took the Raiders job in January, but he said during his talk with reporters that he talked to Mack after the deal was done.

Gruden maintained that he did not want to trade Mack when he took the job, and noted that Mack was one of the reasons he took it in the first place.

If that's the case, some of the other things he said are quite curious. On the subject of the extension negotiations with Mack that preceded his trade, Gruden said, "The negotiation was what it was. It was tough. It was a long process. We talked about it daily. We made an offer, I don't think it was anywhere close to the Bears."

He also said, however, that he was not involved with the day-to-day negotiations with Mack's agent. Oh, and he wasn't involved in the trade negotiations to also include a second-round pick in the deal.

If Mack was one of the reasons Gruden took the job, why didn't he get involved in the negotiations for Mack's new contract before things spiraled to the point where the team had to deal him away? If Gruden didn't want to trade Mack, why didn't he step in and shut down the trade negotiations? Surely the guy the Raiders paid $100 million could have put a stop to the negotiations if he wanted to. And even if he didn't, why didn't he make an effort to reach out to Mack -- his best player -- at any time between January and after he was dealt?

But wait, there's more.

Despite professing that he was not involved in the negotiations, Gruden said that he felt that the Bears made a "unique" offer for Mack. He also said the team elected to trade him now because it felt there was no guarantee they'd get a similar return next offseason or at some other, later point.

So, despite his not being involved in the negotiations (contract or trade) and not wanting to trade Mack, he felt the offer was unique and the trade needed to be made now. Got that? Good. Because Gruden also wants you to know that he and general manager Reggie McKenzie were totally on the same page about the deal, despite the fact that Gruden wasn't involved and didn't want to trade Mack and didn't know about the inclusion of a second-round pick in the deal; and any insinuation to the contrary is just people outside the organization trying to divide them.

Gruden also acknowledged, however, that the team is going to be second-guessed for making the deal at all.

And while many in and around the league are now asserting that this season will be one in which the Raiders do not compete, Gruden asserted that the plan is still to win right away. Even while saying that, however, Gruden noted that the team has a lot of holes that it needs to fill and that they need to build out the roster. As for how they'll rush the passer, he said it will be a group effort.

So they're going to win right away but they also need to build and, well,everyone is going to replace Mack together. And in case you were wondering, Gruden did not want to trade Mack and he was not involved in the negotiations, but he thought the trade offer was unique but he didn't know about a major part of it, and also Mack was a great Raider.

 

[Ram65]

It looks and sounds like a mess in Oakland. They don't seem to have their story straight. There cap is now almost 2-1 spending on offense over defense. They have over 15 Million in cap space now.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/oakland-raiders/

It seemed to me like they weren't going to resign Mack so the trade made sense. Not following them and looking from the outside I think they should have had a better plan early on. Maybe they could have gotten more earlier in a trade. It sure looks like Gruden is going to mess them up even more.

 

[Akrasian]

It seemed to me like they weren't going to resign Mack so the trade made sense. Not following them and looking from the outside I think they should have had a better plan early on. Maybe they could have gotten more earlier in a trade. It sure looks like Gruden is going to mess them up even more.

Situations can change - perhaps Mack's demands changed considerably - but yeah, if they knew the general parameters and weren't willing to meet them, then better to trade him at the beginning of the league year. More teams are likely able to have the cap room so better competition for him, and the Raiders could have used at least one pick for the 2018 season.

 

[Mackeyser]

I saw this interview. He looked “defeated” and I’m not sure how to interpret that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-mack-and-he-made-things-even-more-confusing/

Jon Gruden finally spoke about Khalil Mack and he made things even more confusing

On Saturday, the Oakland Raiders traded their best player, pass-rusher Khalil Mack, to the Chicago Bears. Mack had been holding out for a contract extension throughout the offseason, but when the Bears offered the Raiders two first-round picks and a third-round pick in exchange for Mack and a second-round selection, the Raiders bit and dealt him away. Mack subsequently signed a six-year, $141 million extension that guaranteed him $90 million.

The move was met with almost immediate skepticism in NFL circles -- including from several players on the Raiders, most notably franchise quarterback Derek Carr, who had stated during the press conference announcing his own massive contract extension that he took a little less money than he could have so that the Raiders could retain players like guard Gabe Jackson and, well, Mack.

On Sunday, the Raiders' $100 million coach, Jon Gruden, finally addressed the Mack deal. True to form, Gruden's comments were interesting, to say the least. It had been reported in July that Gruden had not talked to Mack since he took the Raiders job in January, but he said during his talk with reporters that he talked to Mack after the deal was done.

Gruden maintained that he did not want to trade Mack when he took the job, and noted that Mack was one of the reasons he took it in the first place.

If that's the case, some of the other things he said are quite curious. On the subject of the extension negotiations with Mack that preceded his trade, Gruden said, "The negotiation was what it was. It was tough. It was a long process. We talked about it daily. We made an offer, I don't think it was anywhere close to the Bears."

He also said, however, that he was not involved with the day-to-day negotiations with Mack's agent. Oh, and he wasn't involved in the trade negotiations to also include a second-round pick in the deal.

If Mack was one of the reasons Gruden took the job, why didn't he get involved in the negotiations for Mack's new contract before things spiraled to the point where the team had to deal him away? If Gruden didn't want to trade Mack, why didn't he step in and shut down the trade negotiations? Surely the guy the Raiders paid $100 million could have put a stop to the negotiations if he wanted to. And even if he didn't, why didn't he make an effort to reach out to Mack -- his best player -- at any time between January and after he was dealt?

But wait, there's more.

Despite professing that he was not involved in the negotiations, Gruden said that he felt that the Bears made a "unique" offer for Mack. He also said the team elected to trade him now because it felt there was no guarantee they'd get a similar return next offseason or at some other, later point.

So, despite his not being involved in the negotiations (contract or trade) and not wanting to trade Mack, he felt the offer was unique and the trade needed to be made now. Got that? Good. Because Gruden also wants you to know that he and general manager Reggie McKenzie were totally on the same page about the deal, despite the fact that Gruden wasn't involved and didn't want to trade Mack and didn't know about the inclusion of a second-round pick in the deal; and any insinuation to the contrary is just people outside the organization trying to divide them.

Gruden also acknowledged, however, that the team is going to be second-guessed for making the deal at all.

And while many in and around the league are now asserting that this season will be one in which the Raiders do not compete, Gruden asserted that the plan is still to win right away. Even while saying that, however, Gruden noted that the team has a lot of holes that it needs to fill and that they need to build out the roster. As for how they'll rush the passer, he said it will be a group effort.

So they're going to win right away but they also need to build and, well,everyone is going to replace Mack together. And in case you were wondering, Gruden did not want to trade Mack and he was not involved in the negotiations, but he thought the trade offer was unique but he didn't know about a major part of it, and also Mack was a great Raider.

That article triggered my vertigo... holy crap...

 

[Malibu]

This a tough one for me. On one hand the Raiders lost a world class player in Mack which when drafting no matter what we all think is no exact science. We got Donald and Robinson one was a bust one will be a HOFer the problem was the bust. I doubt Chicago will be the worst team in the league so my guess they draft best case top ten and near ten. Same for Raiders. Note they still need to replace Mack unless Key can cover a portion of his production.

On the other hand Raiders got 2 first rounders plus a couple other picks only surrendering a 2nd and cond. 5th. They also got out of paying 141m/87m guaranteed. The long term if the picks pan out or they use them to wheel and deal is what I would do instead of a maybe type drafted vs a player that has firm bonafide stats like the Rams did with Peters, Talib or Cooks and you still have your #1 left which helps build for the future.

The short term the Raiders will miss his leadership impact etc.

The reason I feel the Raiders did this is money first and future second. They were cash poor team with a big ticket item come due. Also their stadium is due to be finished in 2020 when all these picks will be on the team.

On a side note this trade was really good for Rams in several ways. Helps us with our Monday night game and Mack being on the Bears now will help the Bears against all their division rivals. Each team could beat up each other which bodes well for playoff seeding. Especially now that Rodgers is back as well.

 

[RamsSince1969]

I saw this interview. He looked “defeated” and I’m not sure how to interpret that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-mack-and-he-made-things-even-more-confusing/

Jon Gruden finally spoke about Khalil Mack and he made things even more confusing

On Saturday, the Oakland Raiders traded their best player, pass-rusher Khalil Mack, to the Chicago Bears. Mack had been holding out for a contract extension throughout the offseason, but when the Bears offered the Raiders two first-round picks and a third-round pick in exchange for Mack and a second-round selection, the Raiders bit and dealt him away. Mack subsequently signed a six-year, $141 million extension that guaranteed him $90 million.

The move was met with almost immediate skepticism in NFL circles -- including from several players on the Raiders, most notably franchise quarterback Derek Carr, who had stated during the press conference announcing his own massive contract extension that he took a little less money than he could have so that the Raiders could retain players like guard Gabe Jackson and, well, Mack.

On Sunday, the Raiders' $100 million coach, Jon Gruden, finally addressed the Mack deal. True to form, Gruden's comments were interesting, to say the least. It had been reported in July that Gruden had not talked to Mack since he took the Raiders job in January, but he said during his talk with reporters that he talked to Mack after the deal was done.

Gruden maintained that he did not want to trade Mack when he took the job, and noted that Mack was one of the reasons he took it in the first place.

If that's the case, some of the other things he said are quite curious. On the subject of the extension negotiations with Mack that preceded his trade, Gruden said, "The negotiation was what it was. It was tough. It was a long process. We talked about it daily. We made an offer, I don't think it was anywhere close to the Bears."

He also said, however, that he was not involved with the day-to-day negotiations with Mack's agent. Oh, and he wasn't involved in the trade negotiations to also include a second-round pick in the deal.

If Mack was one of the reasons Gruden took the job, why didn't he get involved in the negotiations for Mack's new contract before things spiraled to the point where the team had to deal him away? If Gruden didn't want to trade Mack, why didn't he step in and shut down the trade negotiations? Surely the guy the Raiders paid $100 million could have put a stop to the negotiations if he wanted to. And even if he didn't, why didn't he make an effort to reach out to Mack -- his best player -- at any time between January and after he was dealt?

But wait, there's more.

Despite professing that he was not involved in the negotiations, Gruden said that he felt that the Bears made a "unique" offer for Mack. He also said the team elected to trade him now because it felt there was no guarantee they'd get a similar return next offseason or at some other, later point.

So, despite his not being involved in the negotiations (contract or trade) and not wanting to trade Mack, he felt the offer was unique and the trade needed to be made now. Got that? Good. Because Gruden also wants you to know that he and general manager Reggie McKenzie were totally on the same page about the deal, despite the fact that Gruden wasn't involved and didn't want to trade Mack and didn't know about the inclusion of a second-round pick in the deal; and any insinuation to the contrary is just people outside the organization trying to divide them.

Gruden also acknowledged, however, that the team is going to be second-guessed for making the deal at all.

And while many in and around the league are now asserting that this season will be one in which the Raiders do not compete, Gruden asserted that the plan is still to win right away. Even while saying that, however, Gruden noted that the team has a lot of holes that it needs to fill and that they need to build out the roster. As for how they'll rush the passer, he said it will be a group effort.

So they're going to win right away but they also need to build and, well,everyone is going to replace Mack together. And in case you were wondering, Gruden did not want to trade Mack and he was not involved in the negotiations, but he thought the trade offer was unique but he didn't know about a major part of it, and also Mack was a great Raider.

All that's missing is him saying the typical Hollywood Star type thing when something horrible happens:
"The Oakland Raiders request that at this time, you respect our privacy while we deal with the loss of Khalil Mack."

 

[RamsFlash80]

Rams offered package for Khalil Mack, but Raiders believed the draft pick would be too low in 2019

http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-report-20180905-story.html

The Rams defense is a star-laden unit that features defensive linemen Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh among others.

And as they prepared for Monday night’s season opener against the Oakland Raiders, the Rams were working last week to add another piece: Khalil Mack.


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Kevin Demoff, the Rams’ executive vice president of football operations, said Wednesday that the Rams made inquiries with the Raiders about trading for Mack, the star outside linebacker who was dealt to the Chicago Bears on Saturday for two first-round draft picks, a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick.

Demoff declined to specify what the Rams offered the Raiders for the 2016 NFL defensive player of the year, who signed a $141-million extension with the Bears the day after Donald signed a $135-million extension with the Rams.


“We offered a pretty aggressive package and they came back and said, ‘We just think you’re going to pick too low,’ ” Demoff said about the Rams’ potential pick in the 2019 draft.

The Raiders also might have been wary of facing Mack in the season opener before a fan base angry about the team’s decision to trade a star who had held out for an extension.

The Rams finished 11-5 last season. They had the No. 23 pick in the 2018 draft before trading it to the New England Patriots for receiver Brandin Cooks.

The Rams are regarded as one of the Super Bowl favorites. A deep run into the playoffs might leave them picking in the high 20s or 30s in the first round of the 2019 draft.

Raiders coach Jon Gruden, in his second stint with the franchise, said trading Mack and “everything we do here” was for the “betterment” of the Raiders.

“No decisions are ever easy — that was a tough one,” Gruden said during a teleconference with reporters. “We didn't want to lose him, but we had our reasons.”

Gruden coached the Raiders from 1998 to 2001. He is coaching for the first time since he was fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2008 season.

“We’ve got to turn this team around,” Gruden said. “We’ve got to get this team built back to where we can compete for championships.

“It was that way in 1998 and it's that way 20 years later. We’ve got to put this train back on the track and we’ve tried to assemble the right guys to get us started. We’ll see where we are on Monday night.”

 

[Prime Time]

Rams offered package for Khalil Mack, but Raiders believed the draft pick would be too low in 2019

http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-report-20180905-story.html

The Rams defense is a star-laden unit that features defensive linemen Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh among others.

And as they prepared for Monday night’s season opener against the Oakland Raiders, the Rams were working last week to add another piece: Khalil Mack.


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Kevin Demoff, the Rams’ executive vice president of football operations, said Wednesday that the Rams made inquiries with the Raiders about trading for Mack, the star outside linebacker who was dealt to the Chicago Bears on Saturday for two first-round draft picks, a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick.

Demoff declined to specify what the Rams offered the Raiders for the 2016 NFL defensive player of the year, who signed a $141-million extension with the Bears the day after Donald signed a $135-million extension with the Rams.


“We offered a pretty aggressive package and they came back and said, ‘We just think you’re going to pick too low,’ ” Demoff said about the Rams’ potential pick in the 2019 draft.

The Raiders also might have been wary of facing Mack in the season opener before a fan base angry about the team’s decision to trade a star who had held out for an extension.

The Rams finished 11-5 last season. They had the No. 23 pick in the 2018 draft before trading it to the New England Patriots for receiver Brandin Cooks.

The Rams are regarded as one of the Super Bowl favorites. A deep run into the playoffs might leave them picking in the high 20s or 30s in the first round of the 2019 draft.

Raiders coach Jon Gruden, in his second stint with the franchise, said trading Mack and “everything we do here” was for the “betterment” of the Raiders.

“No decisions are ever easy — that was a tough one,” Gruden said during a teleconference with reporters. “We didn't want to lose him, but we had our reasons.”

Gruden coached the Raiders from 1998 to 2001. He is coaching for the first time since he was fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2008 season.

“We’ve got to turn this team around,” Gruden said. “We’ve got to get this team built back to where we can compete for championships.

“It was that way in 1998 and it's that way 20 years later. We’ve got to put this train back on the track and we’ve tried to assemble the right guys to get us started. We’ll see where we are on Monday night.”

Absolutely insane if true. How would they pull that off under the salary cap unless they had planned to trade Aaron Donald? :eek:

 

[MadGoat]

Absolutely insane if true. How would they pull that off under the salary cap unless they had planned to trade Aaron Donald? :eek:

They could backload the deal with guaranteed money. I'm not saying it would be smart, but they could have even offered the kind of money AD and Mack got. I think it would have been Goff that would have been a challenge to fit in. Maybe not. I'm now convinced the Rams have wizards in the accounting department.

 

[12intheBox]

The Raiders were right, we are picking 32nd this year.

And I suppose we can put to bed the notion that we won't be able to afford to extend Peters and Goff if we so choose - the salary cap doesn't appear to apply to us.

 

[Gandalf]

Rams need to save some of the high draft picks and use them on low salary players
that will fill in the roster in the future.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Absolutely insane if true. How would they pull that off under the salary cap unless they had planned to trade Aaron Donald? :eek:

 

[Karate61]

Rams offered package for Khalil Mack, but Raiders believed the draft pick would be too low in 2019

http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-report-20180905-story.html

The Rams defense is a star-laden unit that features defensive linemen Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh among others.

And as they prepared for Monday night’s season opener against the Oakland Raiders, the Rams were working last week to add another piece: Khalil Mack.


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Kevin Demoff, the Rams’ executive vice president of football operations, said Wednesday that the Rams made inquiries with the Raiders about trading for Mack, the star outside linebacker who was dealt to the Chicago Bears on Saturday for two first-round draft picks, a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick.

Demoff declined to specify what the Rams offered the Raiders for the 2016 NFL defensive player of the year, who signed a $141-million extension with the Bears the day after Donald signed a $135-million extension with the Rams.


“We offered a pretty aggressive package and they came back and said, ‘We just think you’re going to pick too low,’ ” Demoff said about the Rams’ potential pick in the 2019 draft.

The Raiders also might have been wary of facing Mack in the season opener before a fan base angry about the team’s decision to trade a star who had held out for an extension.

The Rams finished 11-5 last season. They had the No. 23 pick in the 2018 draft before trading it to the New England Patriots for receiver Brandin Cooks.

The Rams are regarded as one of the Super Bowl favorites. A deep run into the playoffs might leave them picking in the high 20s or 30s in the first round of the 2019 draft.

Raiders coach Jon Gruden, in his second stint with the franchise, said trading Mack and “everything we do here” was for the “betterment” of the Raiders.

“No decisions are ever easy — that was a tough one,” Gruden said during a teleconference with reporters. “We didn't want to lose him, but we had our reasons.”

Gruden coached the Raiders from 1998 to 2001. He is coaching for the first time since he was fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2008 season.

“We’ve got to turn this team around,” Gruden said. “We’ve got to get this team built back to where we can compete for championships.

“It was that way in 1998 and it's that way 20 years later. We’ve got to put this train back on the track and we’ve tried to assemble the right guys to get us started. We’ll see where we are on Monday night.”

Front office sucks! Can't they ever get it together! We needed Mack...badly!

 

[Mojo Ram]

A good discussion about the trade, Gruden and the value of pass rushers.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k87xpKA2WOw