Anyone else get the sense Gurley is about done

[Mister Sin]

I think he’s out of the league within 3 years. His body is breaking down. A damn shame.

 

[Merlin]

I enjoy hanging out with you guys. I really do. I don’t care for occasional negativity, but I am a weird guy in that I find different opinions engaging. I think it sometimes makes me a lousy mod because I have tolerance for disagreement in many ways. At work, I encourage it when problem solving.

I see it the same way. Not all discussions wrt the Rams are going to be positive, and that's ok. And if I hit a point where I'm tired of a certain type of discussion I stay out of it.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Speaking of Goff, it sure seems like his releases are slower lately.

Glad i'm not imagining this. I've been banging the table that he's slowed down a tad in a number of ways this season.

Dropback, footwork, read and lookoff, pocket clock, release.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Colin Cowherd asked if anyone gets the sense that there is tension in the Rams locker room. He said the Rams drafted a very good runningback in the third round but haven’t played him. Maybe McVay isn’t playing him because it will cause more tension with Gurley.

Then he said, or maybe Henderson isn’t picking things up as quickly. The scheme is complex for a RB. Etc,..


My interpretation: So maybe Gurley took offense to the Rams drafting Henderson and felt it was disrespecting him as if he is no longer able to do what he did the last two years.


Or maybe none of it holds water. But Todd has seemed a bit more Surly this season and we haven’t seen the rookie back play.

McVay brought in that scat back via FA from Dallas in '17. Forgot his name. Explosive but oft injured. He was envisioned as a #3 RB/change up guy.

It's possible that Henderson was drafted exactly for that role. I just don't think Henderson is up to speed on blocking schemes.

 

[1maGoh]

Occams' Razor my friends................

Sometimes it is zebras. Especially if you're in a place where zebras are more common than horses.

 

[TexasRam]

I think the biggest issue with Gurley’s Knee is it makes it tough to really
stay in elite shape physically and mentally.

When Gurley is in the game he is just a tad off physically because he’s probably not able to push himself in workouts. He’s also mentally not totally able to focus because of feeling out his knee.

it’s small stuff but renders his less than elite which is where the falloff starts and spirals.

The oline not run blocking well just makes things worse

 

[Mojo Ram]

Man... Yeah. It’s also society in general.

 

[Ramstien]

Disagree about Donald. His stats may be average, but every team we face is game planning for him specifically, and dedicating at least 2 OL to him on just about every play. You do not game plan around average players.

If they are dedicating 2-3 players to Donald, that makes it easier for other defensive players to win their match-ups. Statistics rarely tell the whole story.

I seem to remember Donald getting double teamed all of last year and he was much more disruptive. As much as I hate to say it there seems to be a correlation between these guys getting paid and their play dropping off. Please don't get me wrong I love Gurley and Donald but I have to call it as I see it. I hope I am wrong.

 

[coconut]

Or it could be that Suh is much more missed than previously thought?

 

[badnews]

Honestly, Goff isn't having a good start.
The O line has issues.
The D is hit and miss.
None of us can figure out why Natson made the team over Hodge and Dakota.
The failure to answer the 6-1 is baffeling.
So asking about TG is.... Well normal.
It's not Taboo to discuss.

But also honestly Goff hasn't been bad either, just a little unlucky in the QB glory stats. (TD-INT rate, W/L%)
And on the road against the Seattle Russells, I didn't notice any issues vs the 6-1 with the usage of the TEs and better run calls for attacking it.

If we are are going to claim there is enough reason for the endless worrying threads, it's only fair to point out we are 3 inches right of being 4-1 against a tough early schedule and despite the slow starts and low scoring 1st halves, the Offense is still finishing with above average production.

Nobody thinks we are firing on all cylinders... but some of us are really confused about all of the sky is falling threads and posts.... it's as if a bunch of fans who just joined this journey during the McVay honeymoon are now realizing that the Rams might not always win every game and that this is still the early days of a new era, not the end.

If we don't get back this year, Goff + McVay and Co will have several more young years together to make it happen.
As for Gurley, who I think is at 90%, he's awesome and I love him in horns..... but RBs are not long for this league and when his days with us are over, I expect the Rams to find a very capable new tailback to carry the load and tradition of great Rams backs.

I feel like the 3 biggest issues are the little SB hangover we came in with, the ongoing work on our O-line and the sky-high expectations of the fans who forgot what 2 losses in a row feels like.

 

[oldnotdead]

The problem in the run game is not Gurley, it's poor execution by the o-line.

Some are sounding like a bunch of old worry warts......god haven't said that in a long ass time. I'm only concerned that they will continue to play SJD who has only proved he is soft against the run. He can't shed a block to save his life and is astondingly easy to move out of his gap. Play like that is the whole reason they went and got Suh. I would expect the Niners to run right at him. Littleton is going to have a monster day.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

Nailed it, this is all on the FO and Mcvay. If he does have an arthritic knee then at this point just come out and say it. But this idea that he missed the last month of the season, then was used limitedly in the playoffs, and was basically was a no show for the SB and management thought they could sweep it under the rug and no one was gonna ask questions is a joke. He was in the running for the MVP ffs and now is on a pitch count, of course it's going to raise eyebrows.

Likely to try and save face for a contract that will have a poor ROI.

 

[TexasRam]

The problem in the run game is not Gurley, it's poor execution by the o-line.

Some are sounding like a bunch of old worry warts......god haven't said that in a long ass time. I'm only concerned that they will continue to play SJD who has only proved he is soft against the run. He can't shed a block to save his life and is astondingly easy to move out of his gap. Play like that is the whole reason they went and got Suh. I would expect the Niners to run right at him. Littleton is going to have a monster day.

I’ve seen SJD make more than a few plays every game. He’s not consistently a wall like Suh but he’s no Adam Carriker either.

 

[Ramstien]

Shu was never all that when he was a Ram. Just my opinion but he looked lazy and I'm glad he is gone.

 

[EastRam]

Well it's fair to say the sky isn't falling. It's not there's plenty of time to win and make the playoffs.

But the truth of the matter is were 3-2 and our team kinda has its ass up against the wall.

Lose Sunday and shits gonna get real.

Rams have some issues and Gurley, Goff the O line and the D including some coaching need to step up.

I hope they step up

 

[kurtfaulk]

I seem to remember Donald getting double teamed all of last year and he was much more disruptive. As much as I hate to say it there seems to be a correlation between these guys getting paid and their play dropping off. Please don't get me wrong I love Gurley and Donald but I have to call it as I see it. I hope I am wrong.

They got paid before the season started last year.

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[LesBaker]

I see too many still shots and video of him interacting with his teammates where there is still a love for the game.

Still shots of him interacting with other players have no bearing on his knee issue that has been pretty widely reported.

Yep. The attention teams have been paying to Donald and the general disruption he causes had Clay Matthews on a 19 sack pace.

Yup even when Donald isn't getting his stats it just leads to others doing it.

He is amazing.

It has way more to do with the inefficiency of the run blocking being done by our o-line that it does Gurley.

Are you opposed to it being both?

Because it could actually BE both.


If he is a 12 touch player then he needs to be cut because he is the second highest paid RB in the league.

12 touches is not going to cut it.

The reason Gurley and the team are continually asked questions about his knee is due to him and the team not giving full disclosure about the injury.

They keep saying it is not an issue but he clearly has a reduced role.

There is clearly an issue and it has not been just this year.

People are not paying attention to last year.

Something is wrong and we hear that it's an arthritic knee.

There i nothing wrong with talking about that.

It isn't negativity it's just discussion.

Talking about the OL isn't viewed with the same disdain as talking about Gurley's knee and lack of production for many games now.

Man... Yeah. It’s also society in general.

I really go out of my way every day to enjoy life in whatever way I can. At this very moment that’s my iPad and a beer. You only get one life... fun sounds like the way to live it.

I enjoy hanging out with you guys. I really do. I don’t care for occasional negativity, but I am a weird guy in that I find different opinions engaging. I think it sometimes makes me a lousy mod because I have tolerance for disagreement in many ways. At work, I encourage it when problem solving.

This is a community. My view of things is quite simple; collectively we set the culture. We get more positive by engaging that way. We all own that. I guess those that don’t value that don’t stay around.

Anyway...

Woo hoo! We have a good team. Hard not to have fun when I think of the Rams!

Different opinions are the main thing that drives a great board like this. Discussion about all things Rams from ll different angles is fantastic.

If everyone was just sunshine and blue sky it would become dull and uninteresting. I'm not saying that fighting is good, I mean that differences are good.

Many years ago I had a job that I learned a lot from because the woman that owned the company was brilliant, truly brilliant. She used to say (paraphrasing) "If we always agree on matters which of us isn't necessary".

IMO my friend that describes this board.

Enjoy the Wobblypop and iPad.

They got paid before the season started last year.

Knock off that common sense shit LOL.

greatpostthankyou

 

[ramfan46]

Physically he looks capable. Mentally, something is going on there. He doesn't get up happy and drop the ball after a first down. He doesn't jog back to the huddle with that bounce he used to. Even when he scored, he looked subdued.
He's also not a Captain on the team, it seems like its a combination of things that are adding up to things being a bit off. I have no clue what the future looks like for him as a Ram, but I appreciate all he's done.

 

[RamFan503]

So I get everyone’s point of view and I see things both ways. However, I think people should be able to express concern, even if it’s unwarranted. This place is here for us to discuss. Overly negative and overly positive posts do get annoying, but if I see a thread that I know is stupid I move on and don’t comment. My personal opinion on this discussion is the whole team is sluggish outside of some individual players. I’ve seen signs of it changing, but until this entire team gets into a rhythm, we will continue to see these discussions.

Agreed. I think the main point I just like to make is that when we already have multiple threads on a subject like what's wrong with player X, maybe just chime in on that thread rather than creating a whole other what's wrong with player X thread. It may not seem all that different but the negative threads start to overwhelm the others and then it looks and feels more negative than it really is. And then it seems the same exact points are posted across multiple threads on the same subject.

We don't want to stifle discussion. But for me, having multiple threads with the same dread get a little rusty.

 

[Merlin]

Glad i'm not imagining this. I've been banging the table that he's slowed down a tad in a number of ways this season.

Dropback, footwork, read and lookoff, pocket clock, release.

Yeah he's been late on a ton of passes. Not sure why or what's going on there but the deep outs have been late the most I think and even a lot of his checkdowns to Gurley have come when there's very little room to run.

They did mention he'd take on more with the protections before the season. Not sure how that played out or if that has slowed him a bit in his reads, him thinking more and not being used to doing it maybe.