An admission from a Goff supporter...

[Mackeyser]

I still don’t understand the front office thinking of negativity to Goff and questioning whether he’ll still be in team next year. Seems counterproductive and hurting your position to trade him. I don’t buy into saying that it tells other FOs he’s available. You can do that without the media very easily behind the scenes. Hopefully it didn’t cost them. I just don’t like that aspect. Bad mouth in media to light a fire in the guy is ok- but not to trade him.

It was so out of character that even most folks who didn't like Goff don't understand and we may never understand.

I mean, unless we find out what came out of that FOUR HOUR meeting that ended with a "philosophical difference" profound enough to lead to a trade even as Goff was toughing it out with 9 fingers, we likely will never know.

Initially I was so angry. Took being up all night and finally going back and watching Stafford video as well as Goff 2018 highlights versus 2020 highlights before I was able to let go and start to embrace that this might be a good thing....and I'm not pretty convinced that it will be a very good thing.

But yeah, how it all went down?

It had all the stank of 2020 all over it... and if a 12 is dropping a deuce, then a 2020 is explosive diarrhea... and I'm pretty sure all of us are over 2020...

 

[TexasRam]

Welcome to the acceptance phase.

 

[dang]

Jared we’ll always have the greatest Monday Night game in NFL history.

 

[ottoman89]

Jared we’ll always have the greatest Monday Night game in NFL history.

I can't disagree with that at all. Which is why it's so sad that he's fallen this far. From that game until now, his body language, confidence and demeanor is so different.

It's honestly sad.

 

[SteezyEndo]

 

[SWAdude]

I feel this. Excellent post.

I like threads that are more informative than opinionated. Just me. I find this more self indulging.

Since we are sharing opinions, I always felt hope with Goff. Never was there lasting confidence for me. Never saw a single clip he showed true leadership. Some people have it, some not. Goff did not at least with his tenure with the Rams.

My hope was dashed with this trade. Likely for all the right reasons.

I personally invested with Jared and my hope. It was worth its while.

 

[badnews]

It's like the same people who are posting Goff threads just to complain about them...

Neeeeat.

 

[FrantikRam]

Could instead switch gears to talk about the fan of a player phenomenon.

We can argue over Goff's performance, but some people have thought about stopping their fandom with the Rams over the situation.

It's almost like the fan of a city vs fan of a team phenomenon to me.

We could trade Aaron Donald for a 7th round pick tomorrow and it wouldn't stop me being a fan.

And I should say - it's all for entertainment so there's no right or wrong way to be a fan. Just find it fascinating.

 

[TXRams86]

Could instead switch gears to talk about the fan of a player phenomenon.

We can argue over Goff's performance, but some people have thought about stopping their fandom with the Rams over the situation.

It's almost like the fan of a city vs fan of a team phenomenon to me.

We could trade Aaron Donald for a 7th round pick tomorrow and it wouldn't stop me being a fan.

And I should say - it's all for entertainment so there's no right or wrong way to be a fan. Just find it fascinating.

You and I both!

 

[XXXIVwin]

I was a big Goff supporter throughout his time as a Ram, including this year.

He had some terrific games for us this year. Seemed just fine in all four wins vs. NFC East, and was especially good in the wins vs. Chi and Ariz. He played well enough in the great win vs. NE. And against Tampa he was outstanding.

But the "bad" games started piling up. SF. Miami. SF again. The Jets.

But what really did it for me was the INT in the December SEA game. The straw that broke the camel's back. Like a thunderclap, I was DONE with supporting Goff. I thought at the time, "If he is making mistakes that are this unforgivably blatant, then what can his coaches possibly think about him?"

After that Seattle interception, I did a 180. After nearly five years of supporting the guy through good and bad, I just completely lost faith that he could ever lead this team to a championship.

Goff is a class guy. He has had MANY terrific games as a Ram, mostly in 2017-18, but plenty in '19 and '20 as well. I certainly wish him well in the future.

And, of course, I am incredibly pumped to see how Stafford does on this team.

 

[tempests]

I enjoyed this past season and Goff's presence on the team didn't put any damper on it. When he played well, I said so. When he didn't, I said that too.

Whatever I had to say, as long as I expressed it well, that was enough for me. Mixing it up with his critics all the time is something you can simply opt out of.

I'm not glad he's gone, I'm sorry the partnership between him and McVay didn't turn out to be long and fruitful as I once thought it could be. And now, just hopeful that Matt Stafford can take the team where they want to go.

 

[Merlin]

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Gonna be some snowboots on those size 14s here soon. It'll be good for him.

 

[TexasRam]

Could instead switch gears to talk about the fan of a player phenomenon.

We can argue over Goff's performance, but some people have thought about stopping their fandom with the Rams over the situation.

It's almost like the fan of a city vs fan of a team phenomenon to me.

We could trade Aaron Donald for a 7th round pick tomorrow and it wouldn't stop me being a fan.

And I should say - it's all for entertainment so there's no right or wrong way to be a fan. Just find it fascinating.

I think you might be conflating fan of a player with fan of the team. When I am pissed off at a trade or draft it has very little to do with being a fan of a player. It has to do with being a fan of the team.

To want the Rams to win does not mean we have to blindly accept all mgmt decisions as wise or good for the team. In Fact history tells you organizations make horrible decisions all the time leading to the demise of the team lasting decades.

So keep in mind, for many who saw Goff as a top tier QB and 1 of 3 QB’s to ever lead the “Rams” to a super bowl, the trade of Goff is not so much missing the goofy bastard as much as it is thinking the organization made a bad decision that will effect the team long term.

For those that are going to stop being Rams fans because a player is traded or because the team moves cities, they are what I consider fair weather fans or non diehards.

A Seperate issue is that related to morals or principles. I hated the way the Rams have dealt with several players. Yea I understand in business nothing is personal. But there is an ideal way that an organization can move on from a player and I think my TEAM should strive to reach that ideal.

I rooted for Kurt Warner when he was no longer a Ram. For a QB that won the first Super Bowl in Rams history and lead The highest scoring offense ever, I’m sorry but as a Ram fan I was a Warner fan when he wasn’t playing the Rams. Probably will be the same for Goff.

Part of it probably has to do with how a fan feels about a player and how well he contributed to the Rams success, what class of a person he was and why he left. When Peters left I didn’t root for him at all. He’s a thug of a class of person and got beat all the time, lacking effort in the run game and blaming others.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I still don’t understand the front office thinking of negativity to Goff and questioning whether he’ll still be in team next year. Seems counterproductive and hurting your position to trade him. I don’t buy into saying that it tells other FOs he’s available. You can do that without the media very easily behind the scenes. Hopefully it didn’t cost them. I just don’t like that aspect. Bad mouth in media to light a fire in the guy is ok- but not to trade him.

I struggle with the idea of Snead and McVay being truthful in their answers to the media affecting his trade value. It's no doubt in my mind that other NFL teams knew the Rams mindset long before the massess (who ignored the earlier warning signs) found out.

 

[FrantikRam]

I think you might be conflating fan of a player with fan of the team. When I am pissed off at a trade or draft it has very little to do with being a fan of a player. It has to do with being a fan of the team.

To want the Rams to win does not mean we have to blindly accept all mgmt decisions as wise or good for the team. In Fact history tells you organizations make horrible decisions all the time leading to the demise of the team lasting decades.

So keep in mind, for many who saw Goff as a top tier QB and 1 of 3 QB’s to ever lead the “Rams” to a super bowl, the trade of Goff is not so much missing the goofy bastard as much as it is thinking the organization made a bad decision that will effect the team long term.

For those that are going to stop being Rams fans because a player is traded or because the team moves cities, they are what I consider fair weather fans or non diehards.

A Seperate issue is that related to morals or principles. I hated the way the Rams have dealt with several players. Yea I understand in business nothing is personal. But there is an ideal way that an organization can move on from a player and I think my TEAM should strive to reach that ideal.

I rooted for Kurt Warner when he was no longer a Ram. For a QB that won the first Super Bowl in Rams history and lead The highest scoring offense ever, I’m sorry but as a Ram fan I was a Warner fan when he wasn’t playing the Rams. Probably will be the same for Goff.

Part of it probably has to do with how a fan feels about a player and how well he contributed to the Rams success, what class of a person he was and why he left. When Peters left I didn’t root for him at all. He’s a thug of a class of person and got beat all the time, lacking effort in the run game and blaming others.

Generally I think when fans ignore shortcomings and blame other coaches/players, they're probably a fan of the player.

That's not exclusive to the QB position.

But becoming a fan of the player does seem to happen more for the QB position, as you only mentioned Warner and Goff. It's fascinating.

Gurley and Donald were the two best players on our team in 2017 and 2018. Many have pointed to Gurleys demise as a big factor for Goff's struggles, which suggests he was a more important piece.

Yet when Gurleys play went down hill, he didn't get nearly as much support as Goff did, and we now know that cutting him was the right move.

 

[Loyal]

Generally I think when fans ignore shortcomings and blame other coaches/players, they're probably a fan of the player.

That's not exclusive to the QB position.

But becoming a fan of the player does seem to happen more for the QB position, as you only mentioned Warner and Goff. It's fascinating.

Gurley and Donald were the two best players on our team in 2017 and 2018. Many have pointed to Gurleys demise as a big factor for Goff's struggles, which suggests he was a more important piece.

Yet when Gurleys play went down hill, he didn't get nearly as much support as Goff did, and we now know that cutting him was the right move.

I don't think it had much to do with positions when comparing the treatment Gurley and Goff receieved at the end. Gurley was standoffish a lot of the time, while McVay continually lied about the status of Gurley's knee. Most of us worried about the longetivity of Todd due to his college injuries and then McVay lying about the obvious impairment of Gurley and Gurley's apparent attitude about things (and rumors of lockerroom problems), soured many on him. Goff was always the happy go-lucky kid, until this year. I didn't want him gone myself because I know how hard it was for us to get a good, competant QB since I've been a fan ('69). I wish Jared well, but I think we have a better QB in STafford.

 

[TexasRam]

Generally I think when fans ignore shortcomings and blame other coaches/players, they're probably a fan of the player.

That's not exclusive to the QB position.

But becoming a fan of the player does seem to happen more for the QB position, as you only mentioned Warner and Goff. It's fascinating.

Gurley and Donald were the two best players on our team in 2017 and 2018. Many have pointed to Gurleys demise as a big factor for Goff's struggles, which suggests he was a more important piece.

Yet when Gurleys play went down hill, he didn't get nearly as much support as Goff did, and we now know that cutting him was the right move.

Gurley was hurt and contributed little to our 55 point explosion vs the Chiefs. He also was mostly replaced by another RB for the remainder of the Super Bowl run. In fact he was a liability vs the Saints, though Goff found a way move the offense and win the NFC Championship without Gurley.

The offense struggles began in 2019 due to the decimated Oline.

Cutting Gurley was the right move as he was washed up due to injury.

Notice from one side of your mouth you blame Goff for the offensive struggles then the other side you say you are fascinated by fans becoming fans of the QB.

So either the QB deserves lots of credit for success or he doesn’t, which one is it?

If the Rams traded Donald Tomorrow under the Goff scenario I would react exactly the same way, so clearly it has to do with fans perceived value of player and the organizations handling of it.

There is a reason why the same QB’s, or top QB’s are in the playoffs each year.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Try reading my first post again. It’s an epilogue, not an opening chapter of a sequel.

Try reading the last several posts again. It’s just another Goff thread.

 

[FrantikRam]

Gurley was hurt and contributed little to our 55 point explosion vs the Chiefs. He also was mostly replaced by another RB for the remainder of the Super Bowl run. In fact he was a liability vs the Saints, though Goff found a way move the offense and win the NFC Championship without Gurley.

The offense struggles began in 2019 due to the decimated Oline.

Cutting Gurley was the right move as he was washed up due to injury.

Notice from one side of your mouth you blame Goff for the offensive struggles then the other side you say you are fascinated by fans becoming fans of the QB.

So either the QB deserves lots of credit for success or he doesn’t, which one is it?

If the Rams traded Donald Tomorrow under the Goff scenario I would react exactly the same way, so clearly it has to do with fans perceived value of player and the organizations handling of it.

Read the underlined portion again. This is not a true statement. Every system, every team is different. It's never going to be black and white, so this blanket statement doesn't work.

It requires an honest look at what the talent around the team is.

Here's an example using the same player, Peyton Manning deserved little to no credit for the Broncos most recent Super Bowl win. But Peyton Manning deserved most of the credit for the Colts most recent Super Bowl win. I don't think many people would disagree with those examples.

The problem is that when someone becomes a fan of a player, their perspective becomes skewed. Because they want said player to be successful, they start blaming other entities when things are going wrong - coach, OL, and the WRs. There were a handful of people who wanted Goff to fail - although honestly I'm not sure if there are actually any still here, they seem to get banned - but most of the arguing was done between people who wanted Goff to succeed and people who wanted the Rams to succeed. People will say they wanted both, but you can't be objective once you like a single player that much. QBs tend to have this effect on all fan bases unfortunately.

When Goff played well, he deserved credit. When he played poorly, he deserved the blame. If he played poorly in a win, he still didn't deserve credit for it. If a team wins a game 52-49 and the defense couldn't stop the other team, the coaches aren't going to review that game with the defense and say "well we won so no worries about all those blown assignments guys".

I'm fine giving a player some credit for team success as long as the player is also knocked for playing poorly in a win. For example, the Browns game in 2019 was a really bad one for Goff, but we won.

The Vikings game in 2018 was an awful one for the defense, but we won.

In both these cases, neither deserved credit for the win IMO.

 

[AvengerRam]

Try reading the last several posts again. It’s just another Goff thread.

No, it’s not. Some have tried to make it one, but my point was not to rehash the last two years.

If the Mods felt this was not a valid independent thread, they could merge it. Let them do their job.