An admission from a Goff supporter...

[NJRamsFan]

Let them do their job.

Let me express my opinion within the guidelines of the forum.

 

[AvengerRam]

Let me express my opinion within the guidelines of the forum.

Stop whining when others do the same.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Stop whining when others do the same.

Are you under the impression you have some power over me here? You keep responding to me with demands. “Try reading my first post” “let the mods do their job” “stop whining” .....it’s getting cringy.

don’t be mad someone met your snarky comments with snarky responses. You originally said (to no one I particular I’m sure) that there’s a certain irony in complaining about a topic while boosting the thread kinda insinuating it’s a dumb thing to do but we’ll pretend that’s not what you meant.

I posted (to no one in particular surely) that there’s an irony in being relieved a topic is over while creating a post that will surely foster the same conversation you’re “tired” of. And look, it did!

You than responded to me (you chose to engage me by the way) and tell me to TRY reading your first post again. Try being the operative word as if I lack the reading comprehension to successfully do so. But again we’ll pretend you meant nothing by that either. So I responded with the same energy for you to try and re read what the conversation has become.

now you’re insulting me not my post by calling my valid (within the rules of the forum) posts whiney.

do better.

 

[Angry Ram]

And against Tampa he was outstanding.

But the "bad" games started piling up. SF. Miami. SF again. The Jets.

But what really did it for me was the INT in the December SEA game. The straw that broke the camel's back. Like a thunderclap, I was DONE with supporting Goff. I thought at the time, "If he is making mistakes that are this unforgivably blatant, then what can his coaches possibly think about him?"

Tampa might have been his best game but it's mired in that he almost COST the game too with those idiotic picks. That's Jared's career in a nutshell.

Add in those other games in the most important time of the year, and there you go.

 

[AvengerRam]

Are you under the impression you have some power over me here? You keep responding to me with demands. “Try reading my first post” “let the mods do their job” “stop whining” .....it’s getting cringy.

don’t be mad someone met your snarky comments with snarky responses. You originally said (to no one I particular I’m sure) that there’s a certain irony in complaining about a topic while boosting the thread kinda insinuating it’s a dumb thing to do but we’ll pretend that’s not what you meant.

I posted (to no one in particular surely) that there’s an irony in being relieved a topic is over while creating a post that will surely foster the same conversation you’re “tired” of. And look, it did!

You than responded to me (you chose to engage me by the way) and tell me to TRY reading your first post again. Try being the operative word as if I lack the reading comprehension to successfully do so. But again we’ll pretend you meant nothing by that either. So I responded with the same energy for you to try and re read what the conversation has become.

now you’re insulting me not my post by calling my valid (within the rules of the forum) posts whiney.

do better.

You clearly want to create some sort of battle with me. It’s not the first time you’ve done so, and it’s not subtle. Based on the reaction to the original post, many understood and appreciated my point. If you didn’t, that’s fine.

Have a nice day.

 

[NJRamsFan]

You clearly want to create some sort of battle with me. It’s not the first time you’ve done so, and it’s not subtle. Based on the reaction to the original post, many understood and appreciated my point. If you didn’t, that’s fine.

Have a nice day.

You clearly have an overstated sense of self importance. A battle? It’s a message board. With you? Who are you? I don’t even remember seeing your name before this season. Nor do I remember engaging with you prior not saying that I haven’t just that if you think I have it it out for you....you need to get over yourself.

judging by the reactions many people thought “not another Goff thread” which is why you felt the need to say what you did.

but sure have a good day!

 

[OnceARam]

Week 1 - We would have won with Goff.
Week 2 - We would have lost with Goff.
Week 3 - We would have lost if it wasn't for the trade for Stafford.
Week 4 - If Goff had been here he would have made that throw with his small hands!
Week 5 - If Goff wasn't not here things would have worked themselves out in a way different from the way that they did.
Week 6 - If Goff hadn't have left us we would have broken the streak against that team in a way that we wouldn't have foreseen.
Week 7 - Stafford is good but he doesn't seem to win with the same flair as Goff did.
Week 8 - I f'ing told you that Wentz was better than Goff with one thumb!
Week 9 - Goff has an air of someone who just doesn't care if the team wins because that girl with big tits keeps draining his balls before kickoff. I mean, my God, doesn't she know her place already!
BYE...

 

[TexasRam]

Read the underlined portion again. This is not a true statement. Every system, every team is different. It's never going to be black and white, so this blanket statement doesn't work.

It requires an honest look at what the talent around the team is.

Here's an example using the same player, Peyton Manning deserved little to no credit for the Broncos most recent Super Bowl win. But Peyton Manning deserved most of the credit for the Colts most recent Super Bowl win. I don't think many people would disagree with those examples.

The problem is that when someone becomes a fan of a player, their perspective becomes skewed. Because they want said player to be successful, they start blaming other entities when things are going wrong - coach, OL, and the WRs. There were a handful of people who wanted Goff to fail - although honestly I'm not sure if there are actually any still here, they seem to get banned - but most of the arguing was done between people who wanted Goff to succeed and people who wanted the Rams to succeed. People will say they wanted both, but you can't be objective once you like a single player that much. QBs tend to have this effect on all fan bases unfortunately.

When Goff played well, he deserved credit. When he played poorly, he deserved the blame. If he played poorly in a win, he still didn't deserve credit for it. If a team wins a game 52-49 and the defense couldn't stop the other team, the coaches aren't going to review that game with the defense and say "well we won so no worries about all those blown assignments guys".

I'm fine giving a player some credit for team success as long as the player is also knocked for playing poorly in a win. For example, the Browns game in 2019 was a really bad one for Goff, but we won.

The Vikings game in 2018 was an awful one for the defense, but we won.

In both these cases, neither deserved credit for the win IMO.

I think everyone would agree that a QB’s play weighs more heavily on the overall success of a team then most positions for obvious reasons. But agreed, a team cannot win championships without a great team surrounding said QB. The examples are endless.

Bias exists both positively and negatively for a player. It’s fair to say if a fan likes or dislikes a player, said player can get too much credit or blame. In Goffs case the like for many fans was based on an unprecedented success at a young age. Demonstrated success that was confirmed via stats, peer ranking (#32) best NFL player, Pro Bowls and all this sustained over 2 years. It’s not that we “like” him, it’s that we valued his effect on the overall success of the Rams with the right surrounding cast.

You say a person can’t be objective if they like a player. That argument cuts both ways. I could say in Goffs down years people became subjectively bias against him. Both camps have reason to believe their view of him is correct and probably have some bias.

I don’t believe this plateau that claims superiority in objectivey because you didn’t “like” a player. My objectivity is based on analysis as much as yours is. A QB demonstrated an elite level of play so I registered that and predicted the offensive struggles once the Oline deteriorated and wasn't addressed. I’ve seen the movie a million times, including the non objective fans that can’t see the correlation.

It sounds like you are comparing Goff “like” to something akin to a Justin Beiber fan, or someone that follows a politician blindly without seeing their faults.

Fans on both sides are knowledgeable and have reasons they see value or lack of value in a player and that can be based on detailed objective analysis.

If you claim “liking” a player creates bias you are creating a self defeating argument. You are falsely creating a definition of “like” that is divorced from value based on demonstrated success. Let’s take the word “like” out because that is a deceptive word. You value players or you are not doing analysis. If you don’t put different value on players then you have no opinion to speak of.

But we know for a fact that isn’t the case.

You see Stafford as having greater value than Goff. This is undeniable. But I don’t call you biased due to your “like” of said QB.

 

[John R]

My first thought upon the trade was, why do the Rams always trade away their franchise quarterback before they retire. In my lifetime I can remember four quarterbacks that I thought were great; Roman Gabriel, Jim Everett, Kurt Warner and Jared Goff. Gabe and Warner went on to play well for other teams, Everett not so much. We’ll see what happens with Goff.

 

[FrantikRam]

I think everyone would agree that a QB’s play weighs more heavily on the overall success of a team then most positions for obvious reasons. But agreed, a team cannot win championships without a great team surrounding said QB. The examples are endless.

Bias exists both positively and negatively for a player. It’s fair to say if a fan likes or dislikes a player, said player can get too much credit or blame. In Goffs case the like for many fans was based on an unprecedented success at a young age. Demonstrated success that was confirmed via stats, peer ranking (#32) best NFL player, Pro Bowls and all this sustained over 2 years. It’s not that we “like” him, it’s that we valued his effect on the overall success of the Rams with the right surrounding cast.

You say a person can’t be objective if they like a player. That argument cuts both ways. I could say in Goffs down years people became subjectively bias against him. Both camps have reason to believe their view of him is correct and probably have some bias.

I don’t believe this plateau that claims superiority in objectivey because you didn’t “like” a player. My objectivity is based on analysis as much as yours is. A QB demonstrated an elite level of play so I registered that and predicted the offensive struggles once the Oline deteriorated and wasn't addressed. I’ve seen the movie a million times, including the non objective fans that can’t see the correlation.

It sounds like you are comparing Goff “like” to something akin to a Justin Beiber fan, or someone that follows a politician blindly without seeing their faults.

Fans on both sides are knowledgeable and have reasons they see value or lack of value in a player and that can be based on detailed objective analysis.

If you claim “liking” a player creates bias you are creating a self defeating argument. You are falsely creating a definition of “like” that is divorced from value based on demonstrated success. Let’s take the word “like” out because that is a deceptive word. You value players or you are not doing analysis. If you don’t put different value on players then you have no opinion to speak of.

But we know for a fact that isn’t the case.

You see Stafford as having greater value than Goff. This is undeniable. But I don’t call you biased due to your “like” of said QB.

Some good points, but for the end, it's because I don't like Stafford for any reason other than he's a Ram. I have no reason to. Felt the same as Goff. I'll root for him to succeed and call him out the same as Goff if he ends up holding the offense back.

 

[Ramon Ram]

I was a Wentz guy prior to draft. I still think Wentz would have been better under McVay than Goff. I supported Goff but this year it became clear that he wasn't the guy here. I welcome Stafford and believe he gives us the better chance to win. Go Rams

 

[Florida_Ram]

I always supported Jared Goff. I believed, and still believe, he has the potential to be a very good starting QB and, with the right team around him, a Champion.

That said, after the trade I found myself feeling like Tommy Lee Jones at the end of The Fugitive...

“It’s over. You know, I’m glad. I need the rest.”

Therein lies my confession. I was tired of defending Goff. The combination of the constant criticism, and Goff’s failure to silence those critics, put a strain on my nearly boundless optimism.

So now he’s gone, and I’m glad. At least for a while, I can go back to my primary role - Rams fan - rather than constantly having to defend one player.

I wish Goff well..but I’m glad he’s gone.

I'm in your corner Avenger.

He was my favorite player since the day he was drafted.

I thrived when he showed his talent in 2017 & 2018 under McVay.

I defended and rooted for him as much as I did of any Rams players prior to the day he was drafted.

After the 2019 season I woke up and smelled the coffee.

I gave him a mulligan after 2019 but after I pondered it over I was realizing his naysayers were more right than I was.

I was most surprised that he was never as nimble and mobile (short space) quick feet and elusive as he showed on film as the California Bears quarterback.

His slow feet (compared to his college tape) and his lack of peripheral vision at the NFL level never made sense to me. I thought he just needed another year... and another year..

Then I just accepted that he was not McVay's cup of tea and I could clearly see why.

Wish him the best but I would've traded him for Stafford after the 2019 (9-7) season ended if it was possible.

We are blessed to have Stafford.

Maybe Staff won't be as good as many of us think he's going to be but I'm all in on this trade and willing to ride it out until we get witness his play as a Ram.

Good luck Jared and thanks for the good memories.



The first time I seen this picture, it made a lot of the pain losing to Green Bay in the divisional round go away.

 

[CoachAllred]

Oh. so you wanna throw down?~ @AvengerRam

What? What? I thought this was america. I'm sorry I thought this was merica

 

[CoachAllred]

Thank you for saying such. I felt the same way!

I was at the Minn. game with @bubbaramfan three years ago when Goff was dropping dimes all over the field! How could you not defend that?

But now...it hurts but it is time to move on.

Love the Avatar dude. Very Nice.

 

[CoachAllred]

I always supported Jared Goff. I believed, and still believe, he has the potential to be a very good starting QB and, with the right team around him, a Champion.

Same here I loved Goff, and supported him all the way up to the Miami game.
That's when the doubt started sinking in for me. It wasn't what he did in the game
as much as it was the first time McVay mentioned something about
a lack of preparation of our QB.
I can support someone who is giving it everything. But when someone is
failing because of a lack of dedication, I can't back that.
I think Goffs future is up to him.

 

[Varg6]

I feel the same way. Ultimately, I rooted for Goff, and I wanted him to succeed with us. But more often than not, really since the Lions game, he hasn't been the same player. And over time, I began to cringe whenever he dropped back to pass. You didn't really ever know what to expect, but bad things could happen.

There were many times where I said to myself, I feel like I don't see these types of turnovers with other QBs. They all make mistakes but Goff's seemed to be pretty bad. Well, turns out he's #1 in turnovers since 2019.

The reality is you just aren't going to win a lot of games with mistakes like that. The regression is saddening because he seems like a good guy. But I'm glad we have McVay, someone who simply won't allow that type of play with the Rams.

I wish him the best but I am relieved to see what else can be done with another QB. Frankly, I really loved what I saw from Wolford and I think the coaching staff probably realized what this offense could be with a legit QB who is a coach on the field.

Hoping this is the opportunity Stafford needed. I think it is.

 

[CoachAllred]

Stop whining when others do the same.

Dude just ignore the thread police. People have the right Not to open a thread that
they don't like. This is a forum you have a right to post anything Ram related.
It's funny I have zero problem ignoring a thread, if I'm not interested in the topic.

I feel absolutely no need or desire to go into that thread and complain
about it's content, because I am not a Mod or owner and that means
I have no right to do so. I just don't get that kind of behavior.

Dude post on. If it's out of the guidelines, the mods will let you know.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I'll keep it short on Goff. Appreciate all he did, wanted him to succeed, but he underperformed in relation to his salary. Hope he fucking sucks at his next stop cuz he's not a Ram. I only wish Rams players good luck, hope u heard that Stafford

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Ok I let me rephrase that, I hope he's great against our enemies a la 49ers and Seahawks, but blows against the Rams lol

 

[Loyal]

What? What? I thought this was america. I'm sorry I thought this was merica

Randy Marsh is my favorite South Park character now....lol