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Rams strategy is throw everything cheap at the wall and see what sticks. Gonna be a long year.

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Reminds me of when we had Fisher in like his first year or two. Alot of UDFA and claims that year lol
 
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Fair enough, Merlin. Didn’t mean to take over the whole topic with stuff about authors, authoresses, and such; I just saw Stephen King, and it went from there.

Cheers.

Y'know... This seems like a fairly interesting thread of its own.
 

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[theramswire.usatoday.com] Rams claimed DB Vincent Gray off waivers from Saints

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May 16, 2023 4:15 pm PT
For the first time this offseason, the Los Angeles Rams have added a player from another team that wasn’t via trade. On Tuesday, they claimed defensive back Vincent Gray off waivers from the Saints.

Gray was signed by the Saints as an undrafted free agent last year and though he didn’t make the 53-man roster, he did spend the year on the practice squad. He was released by New Orleans on Monday before ever appearing in a game.

The 6-2 defensive back played at Michigan, making 21 starts at cornerback with one sack and an interception.

Four players were claimed off of waivers today:

– The Packers claimed T DJ Scaife
– The Rams claimed DB Vincent Gray
– The Jets claimed DB Javelin Guidry
– The Steelers claimed DE Manny Jones

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) May 16, 2023
 

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I think this is an excellent move Gray is 6'2 and ran a 4.5 40. ABK for me Anyone But Kendrick.


 

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Vincent Gray, Michigan CB | NFL Draft Scouting Report

The lows were low for Michigan CB and NFL Draft prospect Vincent Gray across his collegiate career, but the former Wolverine completed his scouting report with a redemptive year in 2021. Those low moments may have some doubting Gray, but watching the tape, it becomes clear that he may be one of the most underrated cornerbacks in the draft.


Vincent Gray NFL Draft Profile​

  • Position: Cornerback
  • School: Michigan
  • Current Year: Senior
  • Height: 6’2 1/4″
  • Weight: 192 pounds
  • Wingspan: 78 1/8″
  • Length: 32 3/8″
  • Hand: 9 1/4″

Vincent Gray Scouting Report​

The Michigan Wolverines had an elite defensive unit in 2021. A lot of the credit goes to the tremendous pass-rushing duo of Aidan Hutchinson and David Ojabo. There’s also Daxton Hill — the versatile, explosive, playmaking catalyst in the secondary. Even future prospects like R.J. Moten, Rod Moore, and Mazi Smith had a hand in the success.

One player whose impact continually goes overlooked, however, is Gray. Gray was rocky in coverage earlier in his career. 2019 and 2020 were both akin to roller-coaster seasons. But Gray’s 2021 tape was by far the best yet in his career, and his performance matches up. There are still low moments to clean up, but when he’s on, Gray has the talent to be a lockdown cornerback. Here’s how.

Gray’s athletic profile​

We have to start with Gray’s size. His length shows up on tape, and his Combine numbers only confirmed it. Gray is a hair over 6’2″. He’s slender at 192 pounds, but he has long, 32 3/8″ arms — longer than those of his teammate Hutchinson, in fact. That length helps Gray a lot, but the true foundation of his game is his athleticism.

Gray has great short-area burst, and even better long-track explosiveness. He can launch out of his stance, and he has the long-strider speed to cover ground in zone, as well as match receivers downfield. Going further, Gray’s easy acceleration and long strides afford him impressive closing speed in recovery.


Beyond his speed and burst, Gray has impressive fluidity for his size. The Michigan CB is fluid enough to flip his hips and run with receivers upfield, and he has good acceleration out of his transitions. He can snap his hips outside after leveraging inside. He’s fluid and malleable in short ranges. Moreover, Gray can get low in his stance and transition smoothly. He’s quick to recover when jab steps bait him into opening his hips, and he can flip around in phase.

Additionally, Gray’s length gives him a wide disruption radius. He’s very physical at the catch point, and he flashes ball skills when he can get his head around.

Execution beyond the physical traits​

Gray is very good in press. He actively uses his feet first, matching receivers with his footwork and fluid hips. He maintains patience and discipline at the line, and he has fast feet when matching. Gray keeps an energetic, responsive base. On top of his footwork, he’s shown he can jam the inside shoulder and squeeze receivers toward the sideline.


Gray’s solid footwork extends down the field as well. The Michigan CB flashes the ability to quickly plant and pivot his hips on transitions. He quickly reacts to breaks when running with receivers, and he can snap his hips and accelerate to recover ground. At stems, Gray can disrupt routes and limit WR space with his physicality. He possesses targeted physicality to disrupt the catch process.

Gray is a strong man cornerback for his size, but he has great potential in zone as well. The Michigan CB closes ground quickly but also processes route concepts well, and he stays alert as routes overlap. He rarely gets tunnel vision and is fairly malleable in zone. He identifies routes underneath, avoiding being baited upfield. With his zone awareness, he’s shown he can manage space, position himself, and pass off routes.

If that’s not enough, Gray is an excellent tackler and a good run-support CB. He squares up, lowers his shoulders, and wraps up ball carriers. He comes downhill with urgency, and he can also occupy blockers, establish a half-man relationship, and wall off outside lanes.

Areas for improvement​

The most prevalent problem with Gray, at this point, is anticipation. Both at the line and downfield, he sometimes has a habit of anticipating instead of taking in information and reacting. When leverage is incorrectly anticipated, the receiver can take advantage of that. Gray can position himself poorly by anticipating leverage, allowing space to wideouts. In that sense, he needs to be more consistently reactive.

Moving onward, Gray can do better at tracking the ball downfield. He doesn’t always get his head around quickly, and there are also times where he looks back too early, slowing his pace and losing WRs. In those moments, while Gray has good speed, he doesn’t quite have elite deep speed, and he can struggle to close the gap.

While Gray’s efficiency of motion has drastically improved to this point, there are still minor inconsistencies at times. He can still make a point of planting and driving more consistently on transitions. He also occasionally loses balance when transitioning and needs space to gather himself. And when receivers get a step, he sometimes gets grabby. His tendency to tug when off-balance can draw penalties.

Gray’s 2022 NFL Draft scouting report overview​

Gray was one of the more surprising evaluations of the 2021 cycle. Obviously, you don’t want to come into evaluations with expectations. But several of Gray’s lowest moments, including a touchdown scored on him against Georgia in the CFB Playoffs this past season, were widely spread on social media. Perception paints Gray as a severely flawed prospect, but his 2021 tape was clean more often than not.

Gray can still track the ball better and avoid digging a hole for himself by anticipating leverage. But he has a high-upside physical foundation, as well as great technique in man and zone coverage. Gray has superb hip sink for his size and can match receivers with fast feet and fluid hips. He then has the explosiveness and long-strider speed to mirror downfield, and he recovers quickly on breaks.


In zone, Gray processes and positions himself well, and his combination of length and closing speed gives him disruptive potential. Even if he doesn’t reach the catch point, his tackling ability allows him to make crucial stops coming downhill. Bottom line: Gray has great all-around coverage ability, and he can make plays on top of that.

There’s still room for growth as a playmaker for Gray, but the flashes are there, and they’re bright. He may end up a Day 3 pick, but I’d easily take him on Day 2. He’s a physical, high-upside, potentially scheme-versatile cornerback with press-man and zone capabilities. He can play on the boundary or in the slot, and he offers lockdown potential.

Gray’s Player Profile​

Gray was part of a star-studded Michigan defense in 2021, filled with former top recruits. He himself, however, didn’t bring the same kind of pedigree when he came out of high school. Playing both wide receiver and cornerback in high school, Gray flashed with his 6’2″ frame. But he only managed to garner a three-star recruit ranking in the 2018 class.

Hailing from Rochester Hills, Michigan, Gray had a lot of interest from MAC schools. Some Power Five programs, like Kentucky, Missouri, Washington State, and Purdue also took notice of his potential. But when Michigan presented him with an offer, the decision was simple. Gray chose to play in-state for one of the premier programs in college football.

Gray’s career at Michigan​

Gray began his career as a special teamer, but he played enough in 2018 to avoid a redshirt. In 2019, Gray only started one game, but he played in all 13 games, earning extended opportunities on the defensive side of the ball. Gray made the most of his action, notching 20 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, and 5 pass deflections in a rotational role.

Gray earned a full-time starting role in 2020. But the truncated COVID year presented its challenges for Gray. He was up and down against Big Ten opponents, and he only came out with 3 pass deflections to go with 25 tackles. Nevertheless, Gray kept working, and eventually, he’d earn his breakout season. 2021 was his best campaign yet.


In 2021, Gray became a key cog in Michigan’s ascent on the national stage. The Michigan CB collected 46 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, a sack, 7 pass deflections, and a forced fumble in 14 starts. He earned All-Big Ten honors for the first time in his career, placing on the third-team media squad.

Gray’s NFL Draft ascension​

Teams that like length at the cornerback position will immediately gravitate to Gray. But as impressive as his athletic profile is, the Michigan CB offers plenty more than that. He’s patient and physical in press, owning good feet and discipline. He offers good closing speed in space with his long strides. He flashes the ability to make plays on the ball, and he’s also an excellent tackler at the CB position.

Gray sometimes gets buried in a strong cornerback class, but in my opinion, the Michigan CB is one of the most underrated at his position. Though he may sneak into the Day 3 range, he’s more than worthy of Day 2 consideration. And his relative scheme versatility should give him plenty of suitors.

Tony Pauline’s Scouting Report on Vincent Gray​

Positives: Nice-sized cornerback who does a solid job reading as well as diagnosing plays. Instinctive, shows excellent awareness, and stays with assignments in zone. Works to locate the pass, effectively positions himself against opponents, and possesses a quick closing burst. Effective backed off the line of scrimmage. Works to defend the run and drives his shoulders through tackles.

Negatives: Gets very grabby and handsy throughout the route. Cannot stay on the receiver’s hip out of breaks and makes plays after the fact.

Analysis: Gray is a cornerback with nice length who would be best in a zone system or a scheme in which he faces the action.

 

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I think in our system, Gray has a legit shot. He likely just needs some good NFL coaching as his physical traits look attractive. Not an elite burner but good speed and quickness nonetheless. Good coaching should really help get him out of his head.
 

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Wow! You guys are Really Good Fans. No Joke; and that's not sarcasm. I swear!

Think CB is the weakest position group; and hope Gray is good enough to make the roster and contribute.


I am forever hopeful for the team I love but not confident that the 2023 Rams will be a good team.

This player was an undrafted free agent, who sat on a 7-10 team's Practice Squad all season, was signed to a futures contract following the season and was waived before training camp.

Vincent Gray sounds a lot like former Rams' DB T.J. Carter.

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After going unselected in the 2022 NFL Draft, Carter was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Los Angeles Rams. At the final roster cuts on August 30, he was waived, but afterwards was re-signed to the practice squad. Carter signed a reserve/futures contract on January 9, 2023. On March 10, Carter was waived.
 

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Wow! You guys are Really Good Fans. No Joke; and that's not sarcasm. I swear!

Think CB is the weakest position group; and hope Gray is good enough to make the roster and contribute.


I am forever hopeful for the team I love but not confident that the 2023 Rams will be a good team.

This player was an undrafted free agent, who sat on a 7-10 team's Practice Squad all season, was signed to a futures contract following the season and was waived before training camp.
New Orleans was a 7-10 team because of their offense, not their defense. Gray has good size and it is obvious someone on the Ram staff likes him, thus the claim. Rams need Robert Rochel to step big this year because he has the size & athleticism to be a viable outside CB. Cobie Durant Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson (THT) will round out the troika so hopefully either Gray, Shaun Jolly, Jordan Jones or Timarcus Davis can show something too because regardless of the fact that Derion Kendrick was only a rookie I just believe he is too slow to play CB at the NFL level.

 
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New Orleans was a 7-10 team because of their offense, not their defense. Gray has good size and it is obvious someone on the Ram staff likes him, thus the claim. Rams need Robert Rochel to step big this year because he has the size & athleticism to be a viable outside CB. Cobie Durant Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson (THT) will round out the troika so hopefully either Gray, Shaun Jolly, Jonas Jones or Timarcus Davis can show something too because regardless of the fact that Derion Kendrick was only a rookie I just believe he is too slow to play CB at the NFL level.
I'm with you den, especially the 'hopefully' part.

B-T-W, I think it's Jordan Jones
 

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B-T-W, I think it's Jordan Jones
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Yet another HULA bowl participant, Jordan Jones of Rhode Island is a ball hawking corner with a powerful first step and enough size to stick outside.

He’s proven successful in both zone and man coverage, with a lot of versatility to play throughout the backend.

Jones keeps his eyes on the quarterback and has good ball skills for a DB, having totaled 6 interceptions and 28 passes defended over the past two seasons.

His production was backed up by an impressive pro day performance, putting up a verified 4.52 40, 37.5″ vertical, 131″ broad, and 6.97 cone drill.

He’s experienced on special teams, has decent length, and mirrors receivers well on the outside. He plays calm and collected, and has been a consistent force the past two years while earning All-America recognition.

His athletic traits are comparable to Mekhi Blackmon, who received a combine and Senior Bowl invite.

 

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Yet another HULA bowl participant, Jordan Jones of Rhode Island is a ball hawking corner with a powerful first step and enough size to stick outside.

He’s proven successful in both zone and man coverage, with a lot of versatility to play throughout the backend.
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Still with you den; and the horns on his college helmet might be a good sign. Sure hope so.
 

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Wow! You guys are Really Good Fans. No Joke; and that's not sarcasm. I swear!

Think CB is the weakest position group; and hope Gray is good enough to make the roster and contribute.


I am forever hopeful for the team I love but not confident that the 2023 Rams will be a good team.

This player was an undrafted free agent, who sat on a 7-10 team's Practice Squad all season, was signed to a futures contract following the season and was waived before training camp.

Vincent Gray sounds a lot like former Rams' DB T.J. Carter.

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After going unselected in the 2022 NFL Draft, Carter was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Los Angeles Rams. At the final roster cuts on August 30, he was waived, but afterwards was re-signed to the practice squad. Carter signed a reserve/futures contract on January 9, 2023. On March 10, Carter was waived.
While I hope this team improves, on defense especially, what does it say about a unit that we are hoping that other teams castoffs can become starters?

It’s not a ringing endorsement. I know it’s not out of the question that one may become a helpful contributor (Darius Williams), I find that I’d rather not have to hope for a UDFA or former PS squad kid to become a star player. The odds are pretty low.
 

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To be fair to Crichton, he had some amazing books turned into movies. Micro was an amazing book (I believe he passed away before finishing it.), and there were quite a few others I loved of his.
 
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