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So far, they have failed to do that. No victims there... just self-inflicted wounds.
Pretty much nailed it. The cold reality is that hard work, incredible knowledge and experience doesn't guarantee success. Despite all those factors, failure is still unfortunately possible
And unless things don't turn around dramatically in the last 9 games of the season, that is sadly where we will be at
 

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X, you sound like they're victims here... yes, they inherited a very bad team but they've had five years to improve it. They have improved it to a point, but I think we should have been in the playoffs by now and I expect they should get in the playoffs this year... maybe it happens.

"Making the most out of life"... these are extremely intelligent, extremely well paid men who have been entrusted to build a successful sports franchise.

So far, they have failed to do that. No victims there... just self-inflicted wounds.
That's not really what I mean. Princes and Paupers, they are all just people doing the best they can at whatever it is they do. Jeff Fisher is not actively trying to piss everybody off, and I'm 100% positive that it's his goal to do the best he can at his job. It wouldn't make any sense for him to strive for anything less than perfection. People can say whatever they want about him, but I can guarantee that he certainly wants to succeed. So for people to take shots at him because he's not living up to their expectations, is not something I can identify with. That's all.
 

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Yes-we all are looking for the organization to succeed. We are fans and we all hope that the leaders of the organization can create a winner. The GREAT thing about boards, social media, etc is the fan has somewhat of a voice. If they are unsatisfied, they can communicate their frustration and others can respond if they so desire. Its been 12 long years of losing. Current regime brought great hope,however the reality is they are no better today than year 1. Yes,we can all point to the talent improvement, but what good is it if it doesnt result in wins? So, here we are-what needs to change to alter the course of the franchise. I simply brought up an unpopular POV, but where are we lifelong fans to look for change if leadership (Stan/Kevin) dont want to clean house at the coach/gm level. "If" Kevin made changes to improve the record and they didnt work out, I would not blame him for a revised plan of improvement. Its the "hoping" strategy that is being employed by Rams leadership today and we all know HOPE is not a strategy.

That's not really what I mean. Princes and Paupers, they are all just people doing the best they can at whatever it is they do. Jeff Fisher is not actively trying to pee pee everybody off, and I'm 100% positive that it's his goal to do the best he can at his job. It wouldn't make any sense for him to strive for anything less than perfection. People can say whatever they want about him, but I can guarantee that he certainly wants to succeed. So for people to take shots at him because he's not living up to their expectations, is not something I can identify with. That's all.
 

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Its the "hoping" strategy that is being employed by Rams leadership today and we all know HOPE is not a strategy.
Yeah, no. Point me to some empirical evidence that the entire Rams Organization is employing "hope" as their only strategy, and not using the same model all NFL teams use to achieve success. Solid drafting, developing your own players, developing fundamentally sound game plans, and coaching up their players. Hope? Give me not just a break, but give me all of your breaks. You're no longer in need of them.
 

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And what's wrong with Ryan Tannehill? Dude plays in a terrible organization and has averaged 4k passing yards, 25ish TD and a 90 passer rating the last 3 full seasons.
If that's the worst case scenario, we're in pretty good shape
Exactly. Dude if we had that production this year we'd be the class of the division period. Shit, I wish we had a Tannehill equivalent! Some people think just because somebody isn't Manning, Brady, or Rogers they are shit and that is the ESPN effect I suppose...
 

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And what's wrong with Ryan Tannehill? Dude plays in a terrible organization and has averaged 4k passing yards, 25ish TD and a 90 passer rating the last 3 full seasons.
If that's the worst case scenario, we're in pretty good shape
Nothing wrong with Tannehill. I just found it humorous that J.T. already had Goff's ceiling pegged before he even took a snap.
 

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I simply brought up an unpopular POV, but where are we lifelong fans to look for change if leadership (Stan/Kevin) dont want to clean house at the coach/gm level. "If" Kevin made changes to improve the record and they didnt work out, I would not blame him for a revised plan of improvement. Its the "hoping" strategy that is being employed by Rams leadership today and we all know HOPE is not a strategy.
Wait what? The reason it's an unpopular opinion is because DEMOFF DOES NOT CONTROL FOOTBALL DECISIONS. It's not a difference of opinion it's a difference of facts. Why do you think Demoff commented on multiple issues about the environment at the Coliseum such as not having enough water etc? Because he is in charge of the business/ fan experience side of things but not who starts, recruiting, scouting, if they waste a timeout etc. If it was a horrible financial deal then yeah cream him. But Demoff is dead on on not burying us for years to come how he structures contracts.

Come on dude...
 

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Nothing wrong with Tannehill. I just found it humorous that J.T. already had Goff's ceiling pegged before he even took a snap.
I'm with you, I was just saying that if JT thinks Ryan Tannehill is a slam against Goff, then I find it complimentary
 

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Who hired the people that make the football decisions? You are telling me it was 100% Stan? Give me a break. HE is running multiple sports franchises and real estate ventures. He works through Kevin to create short lists of viable candidates. He then works with the football leadership team to build the on he field product, leveraging the expertise of who he hired. If he makes a bad hire, we all suffer. If he blows out Snisher and brings in a new leadership team and they dont perform...who you blaming then?

DEMOFF DOES NOT CONTROL FOOTBALL DECISIONS
 

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lol. Cuz some random dude suggests as much, and Jim Thomas calls him the next Ryan Tannehill before a snap is taken?

K, Scoop. Keep up the investigation. You're really onto something here.
He's probably the one that posed the question to JT in the first place :LOL:
 

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Who hired the people that make the football decisions? You are telling me it was 100% Stan? Give me a break. HE is running multiple sports franchises and real estate ventures. He works through Kevin to create short lists of viable candidates. He then works with the football leadership team to build the on he field product, leveraging the expertise of who he hired. If he makes a bad hire, we all suffer. If he blows out Snisher and brings in a new leadership team and they dont perform...who you blaming then?
So as you described Demoff being a glorified secretary for Kroenke...

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If a secretary gets qualified candidates together and then the owner interviews/ makes the decision on who to hire you blame the secretary if that employee fails? Seriously? Your own logic is flawed and defeats your own reasoning.

p.s. at the time when Spags was fired you tell me who was the top realistic candidates to be hired? Fisher was the top candidate period. We fleeced him away from the Dolphins and unfortunately I don't think it has worked out but Fisher is a transition coach. Hopefully we get somebody this off season to take us to that next step.
 

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So, it is what it is... maybe they beat CAR Sunday... hope so. If they don't, I'll be mad for a while - then get over it.

I now have it down to 10 minutes or less. There was a time when I was young that it would ruin my whole week if they lost. I've punched holes in the wall, cried, and once kicked my ex-wife out of the house after the Rams lost to the Cowboys in the playoffs. She filed for divorce a few weeks later.

Looking back on it now I have to wonder, WTH, was wrong with me? Allowing something that I have zero control over to cause me to react like that? Of course, back then copious amounts of alcohol and other substances were usually at play during those meltdowns. That's not the case now, nor has it been for many years. Maybe that's the difference.

Doesn't make me less of a fan than anyone else. It's just that I have zero control over what this team does on the field or off, so why get all bent out of shape over it? The only one I can control is myself and sometimes that's a struggle in itself.

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I now have it down to 10 minutes or less. There was a time when I was young that it would ruin my whole week if they lost. I've punched holes in the wall, cried, and once kicked my ex-wife out of the house after the Rams lost to the Cowboys in the playoffs. She filed for divorce a few weeks later.

Looking back on it now I have to wonder, WTH, was wrong with me? Allowing something that I have zero control over to cause me to react like that? Of course, back then copious amounts of alcohol and other substances were usually at play during those meltdowns. That's not the case now, nor has it been for many years. Maybe that's the difference.

Doesn't make me less of a fan than anyone else. It's just that I have zero control over what this team does on the field or off, so why get all bent out of shape over it? The only one I can control is myself and sometimes that's a struggle in itself.

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Yeah, we have enough history together to have seen the good and bad in fans.

I think a lot of us have become numb to the losses now. If they become a playoff team, losses will probably have a different effect.

Until then... one game at a time and steady as she goes. ;)
 

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I think a lot of us have become numb to the losses now. If they become a playoff team, losses will probably have a different effect.

So what's worse, being a fan of a team that makes the playoffs every season but then gets knocked out every time(the Bengals come to mind), or being a fan of a team that can never seem to get to the playoffs?

I know some people who are Cubs fans and wonder how long it will take them to get over it if the Indians win the World Series tonight? That's gonna leave a mark.

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So what's worse, being a fan of a team that makes the playoffs every season but then gets knocked out every time(the Bengals come to mind), or being a fan of a team that can never seem to get to the playoffs?
I think I'd take the former. This never getting to the playoffs thing sucks. :LOL::cry:

I know some people who are Cubs fans and wonder how long it will take them to get over it if the Indians win the World Series tonight? That's gonna leave a mark.
Yeah, it'll hurt alright. But ask those fans which they'd prefer? At least getting to the series... or all those years when they sucked. I'm guessing they'd say getting there.

Better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

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Anyone who wears that stupid hat and ridiculous outfit deserves a golf ball in the groin. Btw do all golfers dress like that? If so, why? :eek:
If I made as much as him, I'd dress any damned way I choose! :LOL:

Shook his hand at one of the Senior's tournament (called Champions now, I think).

He's fun to watch! But man, what are the chances of that happening? Hilarious.
 

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It really is scary how some fans go on a witch hunt and they have zero idea Who is charge of what in our organization. If this is the case and we lump all management together then the Equipment manager and public relations manager or horrible!! They didn't draft any good Qb's before Goff and they extended Tavons contract horribly! Who does that?

Really? Your gonna site your sources as a Jim " I'm butthurt and exagorate" Thomas chat? Really?

I'm just done. * drops mic*
It's very scaaaaaary but, sadly, despite it being Halloween, there was no witch hunt. I found it interesting that people act like no-it-alls when in fact they no little. I was only commenting on the failures of the front office. I could care less if its Demoff, Snisher or anyone else. Then this poster comes on with a holler than thou attitude and essentially missed the intent of the post. So when I came upon the Thomas statement I thought I would humble him a bit. But, yes, I'm gonna site Jim Thomas as he has always seemed like a decent upfront kind of guy. I've never noticed him to be the type to purposely put misinformation out there.